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Pakistan discusses Su-35, S-400, T-90 MBT purchase with Russia.

The real problem with not buying Su 35 is that Russians refused to give their Aesa radars with them, where as a J-10c with Aesa would be more capable in terms of avionics. The export model is also not with Tvc nozzles, but Tvc is not a priority for Paf.
 
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i think SU 35 are a long way off and generally Russian weapons are poor quality and require high maintenance. during battle aside from the AK47 and its derivatives most weapons have performed poorly against their western counterparts. Russia will not sell us these aircraft straight away. instead of T90 we should focus on Russian dedicated attack Helicopters with manufacturing in Pakistan. Air Cavalry with good firepower will be much better than tanks in the long run.
 
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Following points should be considered in the upcoming SU35 deal:-

1. Stealth coating to reduce frontal RCS.

2. Assembling facility in Pakistan

3. Engine overhaul facility

4. Active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar

5. Thales TopOwl-F helmet-mounted display and sight (HMD/S) system

6. Integration of Marlin and Darter missiles.


Without all these must mentioned points, any Su35 deal for Pakistan, is useless.
 
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You are right.I totally agree with you.Alongwith Imran Khan government, Pak Army chief and general must play a role in purchasing Russian SU 35 as soon as possible.Since visiting Russian Defence minister is offering easy conditions to buy SU 35 .
Accorning to newspaper "Firstpost"Wednesday, August 08, 2018
Pakistan eying Sukhoi-35 fighter planes as part of defence deal from Russia, says report..
Islamabad: Pakistan is negotiating with Russia on acquiring an unspecified number of Su-35 'Flanker-E' multi-role fighter aircraft in potentially the largest military deal between the two Cold War-era adversaries, according to a leading defence weekly.

IHS Jane's quoted a senior Pakistani government official as saying, that Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov had said talks (Aug. 2018) were underway for an unspecified number of Su-35s, which follow a recent agreement to provide Mi-35M 'Hind E' attack helicopters to Pakistan.
 
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/russia-competes-with-china-for-arms-sales-to-pakistan_2885710.html

Russia Competes With China for Arms Sales to Pakistan
BY FRANK FANG, EPOCH TIMES
April 18, 2019 Updated: April 18, 2019

For years, Beijing has been the biggest arms supplier to Islamabad, with defense purchases as a key element of their close ties. Now, Russia is looking to make inroads into the Pakistani weapons market.

Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported on April 15 that Pakistan has expressed interest in making a huge purchase of Russian military hardware, citing comments from Konstantin Makienko, deputy director of the Moscow-based defense think tank Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

The total invoice could top $9 billion, according to Makienko, who added that Pakistan would likely purchase Russian heavy and medium fighter jets, medium and short-range air defense systems, combat helicopters, tanks, and warships.

Makienko named two types of Russian military hardware that would likely be on Islamabad’s shopping list: the new Russian fighter jet MiG-35 and the heavy transport helicopter Mi-26T2.

Pakistani authorities haven’t confirmed this planned purchase, nor have Pakistani media reported on it thus far.

But Makienko noted that given the low-competitive nature of the military market in Pakistan, which is dominated by China, Russia would likely receive extremely favorable terms on the purchase contracts.

He added that Pakistan has not made requests such as technology transfer or localization of production as terms for any purchases.

China supplied weapons worth over $6.4 billion to Pakistan from 2008 to 2018, making it Pakistan’s biggest supplier, according to data from the independent arms research institute SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute), followed by the United States with $2.5 billion, and Italy with $471 million worth of weapons.

Currently, Chinese-made jets make up the bulk of Pakistan’s fleet of fighter jets: the Chengdu J-7, and JF-17 Thunder. The former was modeled after the Russian jet MiG-21, while the latter was developed jointly by the Pakistani state-owned aerospace company Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and China’s state-owned Chengdu Aircraft Corp.

In 2016, one of the biggest arms deals between China and Pakistan was signed, with the sale of eight Chinese diesel-electric attack submarines manufactured by state-run China Shipbuilding Trading Corporation, to be delivered to the Pakistan Navy by 2028, according to Pakistan’s English-language newspaper The Express Tribune.

Aside from arms sales, there have been other recent signs that Russia and Pakistan plan to enhance their military ties.

On March 24, Russia’s Federal News Agency (FAN) reported comments by Pakistani Major General Asif Ghafoor about expanding defense cooperation between Moscow and Islamabad. Ghafoor said that there could be more military contracts between the two countries, as Pakistan had just received its orders of Russian attack helicopters Mi-35, a purchase made in 2015.

A week later, on March 30, unnamed senior officials at Pakistan’s foreign ministry told local English-language daily newspaper The Nation that Islamabad and Moscow had agreed to exchange high-level visits more frequently, with defense being the main component of growing ties between the two countries.

Russia and China are competing for customers for their military equipment worldwide. Russian news agency TASS, in an editorial published on March 29, noted that China was a market competitor in the sale of submarines, citing the case of Thailand’s navy choosing to buy submarines from China over shipbuilders in Russia, South Korea, and Germany.

Thailand’s English-language daily The Nation, reported in March 2017 that Thai Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha confirmed the purchase of three submarines from China—but that the country only paid for two, since the third one would be a “free gift.”

In September 2018, South China Morning Post reported that Thailand dropped the number of submarines purchased to one, after local politicians opposed the deal for its high financial burden.

TASS stated that China’s state-run China Shipbuilding Industry Corp. (CSIC) recently announced that at least eight countries were interested in buying its submarines, including Algeria, Cuba, and Venezuela—news that “is unlikely to be joyful for Russian shipbuilders.”
 
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Possibly.......

500 T-90 tank = 2.5 billon
36 SU-35 = 3 billon plus 1 billon for weapons.
S-400 defense system = 3 billon
 
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/russia-competes-with-china-for-arms-sales-to-pakistan_2885710.html

Russia Competes With China for Arms Sales to Pakistan
BY FRANK FANG, EPOCH TIMES
April 18, 2019 Updated: April 18, 2019

For years, Beijing has been the biggest arms supplier to Islamabad, with defense purchases as a key element of their close ties. Now, Russia is looking to make inroads into the Pakistani weapons market.

Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported on April 15 that Pakistan has expressed interest in making a huge purchase of Russian military hardware, citing comments from Konstantin Makienko, deputy director of the Moscow-based defense think tank Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

The total invoice could top $9 billion, according to Makienko, who added that Pakistan would likely purchase Russian heavy and medium fighter jets, medium and short-range air defense systems, combat helicopters, tanks, and warships.

Makienko named two types of Russian military hardware that would likely be on Islamabad’s shopping list: the new Russian fighter jet MiG-35 and the heavy transport helicopter Mi-26T2.

Pakistani authorities haven’t confirmed this planned purchase, nor have Pakistani media reported on it thus far.

But Makienko noted that given the low-competitive nature of the military market in Pakistan, which is dominated by China, Russia would likely receive extremely favorable terms on the purchase contracts.

He added that Pakistan has not made requests such as technology transfer or localization of production as terms for any purchases.

China supplied weapons worth over $6.4 billion to Pakistan from 2008 to 2018, making it Pakistan’s biggest supplier, according to data from the independent arms research institute SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute), followed by the United States with $2.5 billion, and Italy with $471 million worth of weapons.

Currently, Chinese-made jets make up the bulk of Pakistan’s fleet of fighter jets: the Chengdu J-7, and JF-17 Thunder. The former was modeled after the Russian jet MiG-21, while the latter was developed jointly by the Pakistani state-owned aerospace company Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and China’s state-owned Chengdu Aircraft Corp.

In 2016, one of the biggest arms deals between China and Pakistan was signed, with the sale of eight Chinese diesel-electric attack submarines manufactured by state-run China Shipbuilding Trading Corporation, to be delivered to the Pakistan Navy by 2028, according to Pakistan’s English-language newspaper The Express Tribune.

Aside from arms sales, there have been other recent signs that Russia and Pakistan plan to enhance their military ties.

On March 24, Russia’s Federal News Agency (FAN) reported comments by Pakistani Major General Asif Ghafoor about expanding defense cooperation between Moscow and Islamabad. Ghafoor said that there could be more military contracts between the two countries, as Pakistan had just received its orders of Russian attack helicopters Mi-35, a purchase made in 2015.

A week later, on March 30, unnamed senior officials at Pakistan’s foreign ministry told local English-language daily newspaper The Nation that Islamabad and Moscow had agreed to exchange high-level visits more frequently, with defense being the main component of growing ties between the two countries.

Russia and China are competing for customers for their military equipment worldwide. Russian news agency TASS, in an editorial published on March 29, noted that China was a market competitor in the sale of submarines, citing the case of Thailand’s navy choosing to buy submarines from China over shipbuilders in Russia, South Korea, and Germany.

Thailand’s English-language daily The Nation, reported in March 2017 that Thai Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha confirmed the purchase of three submarines from China—but that the country only paid for two, since the third one would be a “free gift.”

In September 2018, South China Morning Post reported that Thailand dropped the number of submarines purchased to one, after local politicians opposed the deal for its high financial burden.

TASS stated that China’s state-run China Shipbuilding Industry Corp. (CSIC) recently announced that at least eight countries were interested in buying its submarines, including Algeria, Cuba, and Venezuela—news that “is unlikely to be joyful for Russian shipbuilders.”
It's the opinion of a think tank analyst, so not quite an official statement. However, saying the PAF may be interested in the MiG-35 definitely reveals that the guy thought about it (as most would say Su-35). After all, the MiG-35 is comparatively affordable.
 
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S400, MBT 90-s and Mig 35 not Su 35 according to my knowledge.
Su 35 is larger fighter with different engines & without AESA. But Mig got excellent ZUK AESA with TVC + same engine as our JF 17. JF 17 can get TVC version through this deal.
Internationally Mig 35 is disadvantaged because of less range, which is not a problem for PAF. If we compare it with Rafale it has many advantages
 
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No money, no honey... and this honey ain't cheap.

just playing Devil's advocate!
Russia is generally more flexible when it comes to bartering and counter trade offsets. After all, they are sanctioned and need access to cheap goods for the domestic market and job creators (like the defence industry).

The real constraint here is CAATSA.
 
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Russia is generally more flexible when it comes to bartering and counter trade offsets. After all, they are sanctioned and need access to cheap goods for the domestic market and job creators (like the defence industry).

The real constraint here is CAATSA.

Let's hope we get a couple of deals done to get our boyz new tech and merch.
 
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