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blaming Hussain Haqqani for your troubles in America is a cope out

based on their experience in Afghanistan lower ranks of the US military completely distrust you. some of them are moving up the chain of command.

There is no blame or allegation but crystal clear. He was trying hard for a while now.

Even for a thick skull it won't take too long to understand that trump's strategy is only to hide US military failure in the longest US war. If trump was serious and really want permanent peace and solution then he would order some sort of barrier on Pak Afghan border and drones to monitor the border 24/7. If Pakistan is really creating troubles then shut the border down.
 
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There is no blame or allegation but crystal clear. He was trying hard for a while now.

Even for a thick skull it won't take too long to understand that trump's strategy is only to hide US military failure in the longest US war. If trump was serious and really want permanent peace and solution then he would order some sort of barrier on Pak Afghan border and drones to monitor the border 24/7. If Pakistan is really creating troubles then shut the border down.

Americans have patrol agents, fences & walls along the Mexican borders. that works out so well that tens of thousands of Mexicans keep crossing the border.
 
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Pakistani politics is complete joke. Why don't b52 bombers first get rid of these chakkay Pakistani politicians.

Trump's voice is not the voice of Americans. Even the US military would focus on having good alliance with Pakistan. Not to confuse entire US military by few trump's appointed representatives.

Pakistan is the only country in the world that have sacrificed tremendously due to terrorism. The same terrorism that was once used by US and EU against Soviets and they left poor Pakistan to deal with it. Instead of fooling American public, Trump administration should focus on having proper strategy on Afghanistan, this clownliness is not working.
What makes you think that he hasn't done his homework and the American public won't support him?

From Trump's speech:

Third, and finally, I concluded that the security threats we face in Afghanistan and the broader region are immense. Today, 20 U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organizations are active in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the highest concentration in any region anywhere in the world.

This is really alarming.

Forget Trump for a moment. I have some questions for you:

Q1. Have you read Abbottabad Commission Report?
Q2: How many Pakistani have studied Abbottabad Commission Report and what lessons they draw from it?
Q3: Why Pakistani establishment (both military and political) is not fair in its disclosures about the matters of national interest to the public at large?

When we point a finger at others, other fingers point back towards us.

Biggest problem of Pakistan is its internal corruption. All other matters pale in comparison.

In good faith, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has called on Khawaja Asif for an in-depth discussion on the subject. Asif has accepted this meeting but he is visiting China and Russia first. This is indicative of height of immaturity and lack of confidence on the part of our establishment.

A visit to China and Russia at this juncture would send a wrong message to Trump administration. We need to learn to handle our issues ourselves, not rely upon others to solve them for us. We cannot intimidate US with these tactics.

If I am in quarrel with you but am willing to have a meaningful dialogue with you and you bring others into the picture unnecessarily, I would be pissed and warn you of dire consequences.

There is no blame or allegation but crystal clear. He was trying hard for a while now.

Even for a thick skull it won't take too long to understand that trump's strategy is only to hide US military failure in the longest US war. If trump was serious and really want permanent peace and solution then he would order some sort of barrier on Pak Afghan border and drones to monitor the border 24/7. If Pakistan is really creating troubles then shut the border down.
If US had a military failure in Afghanistan, Taliban-led government would still be in power and Kabul would be in its hands. This is not the case in that region, right?

Problem is that US cannot babysit Afghanistan for indefinite period in order to address its problems and had to end its occupation at some point; it happened in 2014. After this withdrawal, remnants of Taliban and various criminal elements saw an opportunity to band together and challenge the writ of Afghan state in different parts of the country since 2015. ISIS also reared its ugly head during this time.

Now, US has two options - do something about the aforementioned elements (or) do nothing and let Afghanistan fall back to chaotic conditions once again. US has chosen the former for now and this is a welcome development because US is taking responsibility.
 
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Americans have patrol agents, fences & walls along the Mexican borders. that works out so well that tens of thousands of Mexicans keep crossing the border.

Pakistan on numerous occasion have offered help regarding this matter but American govt due to Afghanistan have failed to act.

What makes you think that he hasn't done his homework and the American public won't support him?

From Trump's speech:

Third, and finally, I concluded that the security threats we face in Afghanistan and the broader region are immense. Today, 20 U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organizations are active in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the highest concentration in any region anywhere in the world.

This is really alarming.

Forget Trump for a moment. I have some questions for you:

Q1. Have you read Abbottabad Commission Report?
Q2: How many Pakistani have studied Abbottabad Commission Report and what lessons they draw from it?
Q3: Why Pakistani establishment (both military and political) is not fair in its disclosures about the matters of national interest to the public at large?

When we point a finger at others, other fingers point back towards us.

Biggest problem of Pakistan is its internal corruption. All other matters pale in comparison.

In good faith, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has called on Khawaja Asif for an in-depth discussion on the subject. Asif has accepted this meeting but he is visiting China and Russia first. This is indicative of height of immaturity and lack of confidence on the part of our establishment.

A visit to China and Russia at this juncture would send a wrong message to Trump administration. We need to learn to handle our issues ourselves, not rely upon others to solve them for us. We cannot intimidate US with these tactics.

If I am in quarrel with you but am willing to have a meaningful dialogue with you and you bring others into the picture unnecessarily, I would be pissed and warn you of dire consequences.


If US had a military failure in Afghanistan, Taliban-led government would still be in power and Kabul would be in its hands. This is not the case in that region, right?

Problem is that US cannot babysit Afghanistan for indefinite period in order to address its problems and had to end its occupation at some point; it happened in 2014. After this withdrawal, remnants of Taliban and various criminal elements saw an opportunity to band together and challenge the writ of Afghan state in different parts of the country since 2015. ISIS also reared its ugly head during this time.

Now, US has two options - do something about the aforementioned elements (or) do nothing and let Afghanistan fall back to chaotic conditions once again. US has chosen the former for now and this is a welcome development because US is taking responsibility.

Your entire post is based on Trump administration's allegations. No point in answering.
 
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Your entire post is based on Trump administration's allegations. No point in answering.
I am sorry but this is the height of our shortsightedness as a nation. My fellow brethren love to accuse others of all kinds of wrongdoings but are not into introspection.

Again, have you read Abbottabad Commission Report? I suppose not. Please do.

Pakistani establishment should realize that public needs answers. They need to clarify the entire situation of militancy (and terrorism) in the region. Who are these 20 groups which the Trump administration hinted about? What are the activities of each of these groups? What is the policy of Pakistan for Afghanistan? What is the policy of US for Afghanistan? Why Pakistan and US are finding it difficult to cooperate in the matters of Afghanistan?

With the aforementioned information at hand, we can make an informed judgement on the matter. This is how a mature nation behaves under the shadow of criticism from abroad. Being reactionary to any individual or state who dares to adopt a harsh tone against Pakistan in the absence of relevant knowledge, is not a sound behavior. We should learn to act (and react) in a responsible manner as a nation; not like a street thug.

US won't spare our irresponsible behavior. And our typical 'reactionary attitude' - as a nation, won't end well for us in this engagement. My brethren should adopt the mentality to seek answers from the relevant authorities first and then react to issues at hand.

With US we just need to get stuff in writing they can't be trusted with verbal promises
Good point.
 
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the afghan government is barely capable of anything
In that case why blame Pakistan for Afghan forces selling equipment to taliban and ceding land to them for monetary gains?
 
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In that case why blame Pakistan for Afghan forces selling equipment to taliban and ceding land to them for monetary gains?

you created the taliban. it is your puppy. call it a albatross around your neck. you are hoping USA walks away allowing Pakistan & Taliban to seize power.

india did it with the LTTE. we did not create it. india cut all ties with them. it is painful divorce. i have not seen that with pakistan. you are still playing double games.
 
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the afghan government is barely capable of anything

But they are good at pressuring Americans. American govt has no option but to listen them in order to stay in Afghanistan.

I am sorry but this is the height of our shortsightedness as a nation. My fellow brethren love to accuse others of all kinds of wrongdoings but are not into introspection.

Again, have you read Abbottabad Commission Report? I suppose not. Please do.

Pakistani establishment should realize that public needs answers. They need to clarify the entire situation of militancy (and terrorism) in the region. Who are these 20 groups which the Trump administration hinted about? What are the activities of each of these groups? What is the policy of Pakistan for Afghanistan? What is the policy of US for Afghanistan? Why Pakistan and US are finding it difficult to cooperate in the matters of Afghanistan?

With the aforementioned information at hand, we can make an informed judgement on the matter. This is how a mature nation behaves under the shadow of criticism from abroad. Being reactionary to any individual or state who dares to adopt a harsh tone against Pakistan in the absence of relevant knowledge, is not a sound behavior. We should learn to act (and react) in a responsible manner as a nation; not like a street thug.

US won't spare our irresponsible behavior. And our typical 'reactionary attitude' - as a nation, won't end well for us in this engagement. My brethren should adopt the mentality to seek answers from the relevant authorities first and then react to issues at hand.


Good point.

Like I said your posts are based on illogical allegations of foreign countries so deserves no reply.
 
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Pakistan should simply cut off fuel supply to Indian contractors in Afghanistan.
Limiting Indian movements in Afghanistan, would result in sharp decline in terrorism in Afghanistan.
 
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Like I said your posts are based on illogical allegations of foreign countries so deserves no reply.
I am expecting a worthy counter-argument, not these lame excuses.

What are you doing in America by the way? Double-standards much?
 
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I am expecting a worthy counter-argument, not these lame excuses.

What are you doing in America by the way? Double-standards much?

Being in America doesn't mean blindly support every move of govt. This is not dictatorship. I don't support a racist joker.

Counter argument comes when there is some facts from the other side, not rants based on nonsensical allegations
 
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Being in America doesn't mean blindly support every move of govt. This is not dictatorship. I don't support a racist joker.

Counter argument comes when there is some facts from the other side, not rants based on nonsensical allegations
On what grounds are you assuming that Donald Trump doesn't have access to a treasure trove of information in regards to Afghanistan and Pakistan?

I shall show you something:

nicholsonsldie.jpg


Related: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hanistan-and-pakistan/?utm_term=.9aebdda567b6

Forget Donald Trump for a moment; you need to understand the fact that POTUS is a position where you have access to enormous amounts of intelligence and information.

Please read this piece as well: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/07/201379105831620780.html

Rants based on nonsensical allegations, right? :rolleyes:
 
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On what grounds are you assuming that Donald Trump doesn't have access to a treasure trove of information in regards to Afghanistan and Pakistan?

I shall show you something:

nicholsonsldie.jpg


Related: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hanistan-and-pakistan/?utm_term=.9aebdda567b6

Forget Donald Trump for a moment; you need to understand the fact that POTUS is a position where you have access to enormous amounts of intelligence and information.

Please read this piece as well: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/07/201379105831620780.html

Rants based on nonsensical allegations, right? :rolleyes:

Are you such a thick person? Don't you get what I'm saying? I believe my English is not so advanced. You can post all kind of crap you want, these all are mere allegations with 0 credibility. Facts are that Pakistan have umpteenth times requested Afghanistan and Allied mission in Afghanistan for construction of barrier. Logically speaking, if US have spent close to 1 Trillion since 2001 then why it couldn't allocate 15 to 30 billion for this barrier on AF Pak border? Furthermore the credibility of Pakistan was proven the day when Pakistan asked US and allies to give a tour of the areas that operation was conducted to root out terrorist. Why this opportunity was rejected?
 
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