Pakistan developing maritime doctrine

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Tell me you are not a senior level official working for the IN or some other Navy.

He does have a point, in peacetime EEZ only allows for the appropriation of natural resources in the waters and below. While the fishing boats of a foreign nation will not be allowed to deploy nets without permission. A naval ship can transit up to 12 nm of the coast line, without permission.

In war time, it's a free for all. The only rules that apply are the Geneva Conventions.

A naval force will project itself as it sees fit with the resources they have. If Pakistan's Zarbs, C-802s, and subs aren't taken out the Indian Navy will keep their distance.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well we do have shortage

2 Destroyers
4 Frigates or 7 Corvettes

• Normally one would imagine that getting 4 Frigate is straight forward process or 7 Corvettes

I would be quite happy with 7 quality modernized Corvettes

Not sure why no one has taken initiative since Musharraf's time

It is strange we can make a 17,000 Ton Ship with Turkey , and yet we can't make a Frigate that is more larger like a Destroyer to address our immediate need


Surprisingly here is what Indonesia is making

Again seems to have legitimate stuff on Indonesian navy

Also lots of support helicopters with Indonesia

 

[Acknowledge]

It is pretty obvious you'll troll and would get away from the actual topic. I won't feed to a troll. Its clear your "thinking" has serious limitations!!

Your knowledge has serious limitations.

What you have written is downright childish. It only feeds those Pakistanis who have even lesser knowledge than you Orangzaib.

He does have a point, in peacetime EEZ only allows for the appropriation of natural resources in the waters and below. While the fishing boats of a foreign nation will not be allowed to deploy nets without permission. A naval ship can transit up to 12 nm of the coast line, without permission.

In war time, it's a free for all. The only rules that apply are the Geneva Conventions.

Which means absolutely nothing and has nothing to do with EEZ because in war time, it does not matter whether you are in your EEZor out of your EEZ. You are free to strike anywhere.

Even in a non-war situation, EEZ adds nothing. Any Navy has the right to patrol the arctic ocean if it has the physical resources. This lad has written and implied that EEZ adds some 'right' to patrol any area that Pakistan did not have earlier. That is horsecrap.

Indian Navy would be bombing every last ton of Pakistani Naval steel whether it is in the EEZ or parked right up the Karachi harbour when war starts. It makes absolutely no/nada difference to either Indian military or Pakistani military in war or peace where the EEZ is.

A naval force will project itself as it sees fit with the resources they have. If Pakistan's Zarbs and C-802s aren't taken out the Indian Navy will keep their distance.

This was forseen a decade and a half back by India. Its simply the direction that Naval warfare is heading.

There is a reason why we have acquired area defense AAW.
Why every capital ship in IN is being equipped with fleet air defense capabilities.

 

[Viper0011.]

Your knowledge has serious limitations.

What you have written is downright childish. It only feeds those Pakistanis who have even lesser knowledge than you Orangzaib.


Which means absolutely nothing and has nothing to do with EEZ because in war time, it does not matter whether you are in your EEZor out of your EEZ. You are free to strike anywhere.

Even in a non-war situation, EEZ adds nothing. Any Navy has the right to patrol the arctic ocean if it has the physical resources. This lad has written and implied that EEZ adds some 'right' to patrol any area that Pakistan did not have earlier. That is horsecrap.

Indian Navy would be bombing every last ton of Pakistani Naval steel whether it is in the EEZ or parked right up the Karachi harbour when war starts. It makes absolutely no/nada difference to either Indian military or Pakistani military in war or peace where the EEZ is.

This was forseen a decade and a half back by India. Its simply the direction that Naval warfare is heading.

There is a reason why we have acquired area defense AAW.
Why every capital ship in IN is being equipped with fleet air defense capabilities.

Garbage post, hurt Indian dreams and therefore the "girl on period" response!! Not worth replying to. Enjoy, when this same EEZ hammers inside your rear, remember the big daddy who warned you about it

 

[Acknowledge]

Garbage post, hurt Indian dreams and therefore the "girl on period" response!! Not worth replying to. Enjoy, when this same EEZ hammers inside your rear, remember the big daddy who warned you about it

There will be no hammering because it makes a total of - zero difference.

Use of rhetoric with smiley's coupled with a few ad-hominem's might work up a frenzy for domestic Pakistani audience that you cater to as they are rarely used to reading up on original works and charter's before commenting.

It doesn't work with Indians.

 

[Viper0011.]

There will be no hammering because it makes a total of - zero difference.

Use of rhetoric with smiley's coupled with a few ad-hominem's might work up a frenzy for domestic Pakistani audience that you cater to as they are rarely used to reading up on original works and charter's before commenting.

It doesn't work with Indians.

The only thing that works with Indians is their India, where every one owns a Mercedes Benz, all foreigners want Indian visas desperately, and you guys were given the brains of the super computers, while the rest of the world got brains of Pigeons!! This is the shiit that works with the Indian belief system.

And I am sorry, I ain't a fu*king retard so my brain tells me to use logic, and that Indians aren't supreme beings like they portray them to be, that 650 milion Indians don't have proper toilets in India, proper bedding or utensils to make food, or even proper food to eat. While 50 of you on here bullshiit us about your country, its poor people who live below poverty line and basic necessities. Yet, somehow the brain damage is so much that it makes fools think that the India is a "soup-o-powa"!! I am sorry, I don't believe in this crap as I know better. You guys may have super computers in your mighty Indian brains but the chip-set is like 50 years old. Need mass upgrades to link common sense and logic that my Pigeon-brain can do better than the self proclaimed super-computers of the world, our Indian friends on this forum and elsewhere

Surprisingly here is what Indonesia is making

Not a bad looking ship. But not modern either. This is not stealthy at all. Its just a frigate. I saw a couple of the new FAC that Pakistan inducted today. That is actually a stealth design and its similar to the designs the USN is putting in place currently.

 

[Incog_nito]

Why not PN ask UK for Type-23 frigate.

 

[Tank131]

Why not PN ask UK for Type-23 frigate.

Because they are to remain in service for at least another 5 years likely longer. I had though the smarter move would be to approach Australia about the 3 remaining Adelaide frigates. These will all be scheduled for retirement in the next 3-4 years. PN could pick them up on the cheap and put them into service giving it 4 OHP frigates. They already 8 cell mk41s and they have their mk13 launcher intact. If PN can get the essm and sm2 its in business (it can add a mk41 to alamghir). If not, get an 8 cell Sylver A35 for alamghir and get quad packed CAMM for all 4 OHP/Adelaides.

As for the EEZ, the only way that it helps Pakistan in any wartime situation is if Pakistan develops it with artificial islands like the Chinese are doing in the South China sea. Put naval bases with 4-5 FACs (type 022 or azmat) each amd possibly airstrips with JF-17S armed with C802A or CM400AKG amd your in business with making it difficult for IN to blockade Karachi. But i dont think Pakistan has the capability (at least financially to make it happen at this point so in time of war, the EEZ is useless.

 

[war&peace]

This is an extremely important aspect and good to see navy developing its doctrine since this will drive the development of naval power and what exactly we need.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

The doctrine was devised by PN War College and National Center for Maritime Policy Research at Bahria University Karachi

 

[Super Falcon]

Frigates and Destroyers we need..

Getting New Corvettes and Submarines

Corvette's are not finalised yet

Apart from F 22P we don't have much of power punch ships these are small craft boats Pakistan inducted won't do much damage to Indian talwar class and vishnakapatnam class

 

[zebra7]

Tell me you are not a senior level official working for the IN or some other Navy. You'd get a lot of people screwed and billions worth of ships lost very quickly. Keep your crappy opinions to yourself please. If you don't have anything to contribute, don't hit the reply button. EEZ gives a country the ability to deploy their navy way off their actual littoral limits, in the disguise of providing protection to ocean exploration related activities, and for various other reasons.

In the next 5-7 years, there would be a couple of Islands, right on the border of Pakistan's littoral waters, serving as naval / supply bases to support the PN's activities to the end of the EEZ. So PN would take 30-40% of their offensive force and would deploy it there, taking the load off of Karachi and Gawader area Naval bases. Till before the EEZ was granted, PN's assets were limited to just Karachi and the IN could blockade that little littoral limit very easily in a matter of days. Now, IN would have to remember that their would be missile attacks far beyond their reach (from 350 KM away), and the AC's would become useless. Not to mention even the Indian ships coming from the Strait of Homez will become targets of the PN from the EEZ borders. PN's missile ships can reach Oman and everything in between from the end of their EEZ. That means any Indian ship going to India.

Do you really know is EEZ. Mr. Aurangreb ?

 

[Incog_nito]

Making an Island in EEZ was in my mind since the 2016 - start! Recently, Govt. aka PN had showed interested in developing a Public-Private dredging company that will help in dragging and also in making Islands!!!

 

[niaz]

Well we do have shortage

2 Destroyers
4 Frigates or 7 Corvettes

• Normally one would imagine that getting 4 Frigate is straight forward process or 7 Corvettes

I would be quite happy with 7 quality modernized Corvettes

Not sure why no one has taken initiative since Musharraf's time

It is strange we can make a 17,000 Ton Ship with Turkey , and yet we can't make a Frigate that is more larger like a Destroyer to address our immediate need


Surprisingly here is what Indonesia is making

Again seems to have legitimate stuff on Indonesian navy

Also lots of support helicopters with Indonesia

I would refrain from comparing Pakistan’s Navy with that of a resource rich island nation such as Indonesia.

Indonesian GDP of $873-billion is nearly 3 times that of Pakistan. Despite a sharp drop in oil prices annual Indonesia exports stand at about $125-billion and FE reserves of more than 100-billion dollars about 4 times that of Pakistan.

Indonesia is a sea bound nation with 6,000 inhabited islands out of a total 13,600. Indonesia defence depends primarily on her Navy. Her 65,000 strong Navy with 11 frigates and 88 Petrol & Coastal craft is still too small for her needs. Given the size of the Sea area Indonesian Navy is to defend, despite the low level threat perception; one would expect her Navy to be at least double the existing size.

Pak Navy has far less arduous task. Arguably PN should be strengthened as it has to face the might of Indian Navy, but our needs are different from that of Indonesia. Besides, I am sure a Naval docrine is already in existence.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well we sit on the mouth of International Piracy route.
Also we do have 800-1000 km long coast line

I always find Navy plays a important role in any conflict , this aspect has become more and more evident as years have progressed

Role of Navy just cannot be ignored