Pakistan declines to join Saudi Arabia's anti-Iran alliance

[بلندر]

quote " none of them none of them none of them Saudi Arabia Abu Dhabi Dubai Kuwait Bahrain Oman none of them individually and even combine they are not have the mach for conventional Iran let alone for nuclear Iran " end quote

the think was in my in my opinion he forgot to add to list Pakistan with its tactical Atom bombs other views He would

well we have to wait and see .

that why Arabs add Pakistan to their list ... we didn't prepare much thing in south east of Iran for this kind of situations

 

[yavar]

that why Arabs add Pakistan to their list .

Pakistan has joined by it own will to the so called coalition of Yemen
so do not blame the Saudis . Pakistan is not the Child which Saudis can add to this or that . Pakistan did it by it own decision . so leave Saudies out of it brother

t we didn't prepare much thing in south east of Iran for this kind of situations

you sure about this we NOT prepare ?? time will tell

 

[About.to.be.banned]

what you mean Pakistan join the fight ?? Pakistan has already joined it but there official denying they have .

I stated the same and it is what was stated in that NEWS item. I created a thread on that which was deleted by management of this forum for not toeing official forum line of "Pakistan is only providing moral and political support to Saudis".

it will be best thing if Pakistan start threatening Iran it,s tactical Atom bombs which they have
. i hope and pray for such day
.
you Indian will see the real power of Islamic Republic and Islamic Republic will exposed

I don't think that Iran runs the risk of being a recipient of Tactical Nukes of Pakistan unless it is able to defeat Pakistani Army in Pakistan. Iran has an outside possibility of being nuked by Pakistan in case of Iran-Saudi war (properly Nuked) as it is a belief in strategic circles that Pakistan has promised this to Saudi (some even saying that some of Pakistani Nukes are based in Saudi Arabia) in lieu of Saudi Arabia funding development of their Nukes.

I leave you with Israeli top General Yoram Ettinger and Former Ambassador in close meeting with some APAC and Ambassadors

whatch from 10 :40

quote " none of them none of them none of them Saudi Arabia Abu Dhabi Dubai Kuwait Bahrain Oman none of them individually and even combine they are not have the mach for conventional Iran let alone for nuclear Iran " end quote

It is well known.

Arabian armies ,while being well armed, are famous for their lack of discipline and cowardice. Numerous trainers including some Pakistani ones have stated that.

the think was in my in my opinion he forgot to add to list Pakistan with its tactical Atom bombs other views He would

well we have to wait and see .

I don't think that there has been any ommission. Pakistan has a very good military.

that why Arabs add Pakistan to their list ... we didn't prepare much thing in south east of Iran for this kind of situations

You people need not worry about Tactical nukes. They have very limited battlefield utility.

Simulation by US Army has postulated that a proper 25Kt nuke could only destroy 18 tanks in defensive formation and 25 tanks in offensive formation. Their effect on armored regiments is minimal, though they can cause significant damage to exposed infantry.

 

[بلندر]

You people need not worry about Tactical nukes. They have very limited battlefield utility.

Simulation by US Army has postulated that a proper 25Kt nuke could only destroy 18 tanks in defensive formation and 25 tanks in offensive formation. Their effect on armored regiments is minimal, though they can cause significant damage to exposed infantry.

they are ISIS and AQ and Taliban supporters ans sponsors and they are being proud for beheading captured men and women and childern and setting their enemy to fire ... you can't rely on their sanity ...

 

[mohsen]

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Since my thread on this issue has been deleted by this forum's officials because they were uncomfortable with it , let me post content of my thread in this this one.

All the king’s horses and all the king’s men… | Pakistan Today

As Saudi Arabia, allies launch airstrikes against Shia Houthis in Yemen, Pakistan responds positively to ‘need to ensure Kingdom’s defence’ while analysts warn Pak against joining intra-Arab conflict which can also affect Pak-Iran ties

Pakistan on Thursday decided in principle to join the Saudi-led Gulf countries’ alliance against Shia Houthi rebels to “defend the territorial sovereignty and integrity of Saudi Arabia”.

However, it is yet to be ascertained whether this assistance would be extended to Saudi Arabia in its offensive against the Shia Houthi militia into Yemen or the forces would be offered to ensure territorial integrity of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia had formally sought military support from Pakistan during the recent visit of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. A high-level delegation would visit Saudi Arabia today (Friday) to assess the situation.

While defence experts have cautioned Pakistan against any role in the Kingdom’s endeavours inside the Yemeni borders, PM Sharif has hinted at provision of troops to safeguard Saudi borders from any external threats.

PM SET IN MOTION:

As the situation in Yemen took a new turn with Saudi planes bombing the Shia Houthi rebels inside Yemen, Sharif Thursday evening chaired an emergency high-level meeting at the Prime Minister’s House to discuss the recent developments in the Middle East and a request forwarded by the Saudi government for military assistance.

The meeting was also attended by Chief of the Army Staff General Raheel Sharif and Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman, Minister for Defence Khwaja Muhammad Asif and Advisor to PM on National Security Sartaj Aziz.

“The meeting concluded that any threat to Saudi Arabia’s territorial integrity would evoke a strong response from Pakistan,” said an official statement issued following the meeting.

The meeting also decided that to send a delegation, comprising defence minister and adviser to PM on national security, to Saudi Arabia today to assess the situation and seek the needs of the Saudi government in their fight against Yemeni rebels. Senior representatives from the armed forces would also accompany the delegation.

“The prime minister said Pakistan enjoys close and brotherly relations with Saudi Arabia and other GCC countries and attaches great importance to their security,” the statement added.

QUANTUM OF SUPPORT:

Although no quick official word was available as to what sort of support Islamabad was going to extend to Saudi forces, the presence of the army chief and the air chief reflected that Saudi Arabia had sought air and ground assistance against Shia Houthis.

A Defence Ministry official said that the decision had been taken in principle to join the coalition against the rebels. However, the official said no specific help had been sought from Saudi Arabia as yet.

“The civil and military experts would ask from Saudi authorities about their assistance from Pakistan. Later, the government would decided how much support could be extended,” the official added.

PM WARNED:

Speaking on the issue, noted defence analyst Dr Hassan Askari Rizvi warned prime minister against becoming a party in conflict in the Arab World. However, he said it was premature to comment over the nature of Pakistan’s assistance to Saudi Arabia.

“It’s good if this assistance is aimed at safeguarding the territorial integrity of Saudi Arabia. However, it would be unfortunate for Pakistan if it decides to support any Saudi role inside Yemen. We need to stay away from the intra-Arab conflict,” he added.

Elaborating his views, Dr Rizvi said that in the Arab World, animosity and friendship are short-lived and any role in conflicts may undermine Pakistan’s interest.

“Rather, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif should play a role of an elder and advise the Kingdom for using political means to settle the problem in Yemen. Any adventure inside Yemen would undermine our relations with Iran and would come out as a big loss,” he added.

“Pakistan Army is already fighting a war against terrorists on its western borders while threats are already looming on our eastern borders. We should not push our army into a new war,” he concluded.

SAUDIA STRIKES YEMEN:

Earlier on Thursday, Saudi Arabia said that five Muslim countries, including Egypt and Pakistan, wanted to participate in the Gulf-led military coalition against Shia Houthi rebels in Yemen.

Together with Jordan, Morocco and Sudan, they have “expressed desire to participate in the operation” against the rebels, which the kingdom dubbed “Firmness Storm”, Saudi SPA state news agency said.

Saudi Arabia and four other Gulf states, including Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, announced earlier a decision to “answer the call of President Hadi to protect Yemen and his people from the aggression of the (Shia) Houthi militia.“

The Kingdom and its allies launched air strikes in Yemen against Houthi fighters, who have tightened their grip in southern city of Aden where the country’s president had taken refuge, the Saudi envoy to Washington said on Wednesday.

The kingdom’s ambassador to the United States announced from Washington that a coalition of 10 countries, including the five Gulf monarchies, had been set up to protect the Yemeni government. However, he declined giving any information on Hadi’s whereabouts, but said the president, who has fled his residence, was still running the government along with members of his Cabinet.

Jubeir said Iranian-backed Houthi Shia militants were now in control of the Yemeni air force and of the country’s ballistic weapons. He told reporters that Saudi Arabia had consulted with the United States but that Washington was not participating in the military operation.

A US official said that the United States was providing support to Saudi Arabia as it carries out its operation, but gave no details.

Jubeir said the operation, which was launched at 2300 GMT on Wednesday in response to a request for assistance by Hadi, was not limited to one particular city or region.

Gulf broadcaster al-Arabiya TV reported that the kingdom was contributing as many as 150,000 troops and 100 warplanes to the operations.

These latest developments follow a southward advance by Houthi militants, who are said to be backed by Iran, who took control of the capital Sanaa in September and seized the central city of Taiz at the weekend as they move closer to the new southern base of US-backed President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi.

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My take from perspective of India and Iran:

First I would start be negative for India and positive for Pakistan.

Pakistan's economy is in doldrums since 2007 ,and it is mired in civil war with TTP et al. Pakistan providing military services to Saudi would mean that Saudi would take over debt of Pakistan as a quid pro quo thus allowing Pakistan to have a chance at economic recovery. This is not good for India as it would chip away at massive economic superiority that India possess over Pakistan which would result in erosion of conventional superiority that India enjoys over Pakistan. Though I suspect that it would not have much effect because a decade of runaway growth of India economy along with stagnation of Pakistan's economy has created an unbridgeable gulf between India's and Pakistan's economy. Currently, Indian Defence budget is one-fourth of Pakistan's GDP and more than total revenue collected by Pakistan government. And even after Saudi stimulus, Pakistan's economy of $230 billion growing at 4.7% would add less than India's economy of $2.2 Trillion growing at 7.5% (Both estimates of IMF).

Second would be social stabilization of Pakistan due to this policy. Pakistan is facing insurgency from Sunni groups like TTP because TTP et al believe that Pakistan is not Islamic enough. With Pakistan establishment joining anti-rafida alliance, it could cut into popular support of TTP et al among hardliner Muslims as now Pakistan itself has become part of Islamic/Sunni alliance.This would mean that India would find it difficult to operate in Afghanistan , and stabilization of Western borders would lead to transfer of army to eastern border.


Positive for India and Negatives for Pakistan:

Sadly, there are no immediate positives for India, except if India goes to war with Pakistan in near future.

It is universally recognized in military circles that no Navy ,except USN, could break a blockade enforced by Indian Navy on Pakistan. Pakistan's navy's capability to withstand Indian navy is measured in hours and even if all navies of middle east form a united front, they too will sink withing hours. Indian Navy air force with 220 aircraft along with two aircraft carriers, one having complement of 30 Mig-29K + 6 Kamov Ka31 AEW&C helicopters, another with complement of 18 Harriers is larger than most of Air forces in the region and pretty much invincible.

In a war with India, a hostile or even uncooperative Iran would pose problems for Pakistan. In 1971 Indo-Pak war, Pakistan Airforce after suffering defeat in Air battle retreated to Iran (with permission of Shah) and Iran allowed transfer of Jordanian sabres to Pakistan. That option of resupply would close with an uncooperative government in Teharan. PAF may try to use Afghanistan for strategic depth but with Afghanistan having territorial claim on Pakistan, it is a dangerous move. PAF over Afghan air space also runs a threat of being intercepted by Indian mig-29's based in Farakhor air base (Tajikistan).

From perspective of Iran:

There are no positive for Iran. Pakistan has strongest and most competent military of any Muslim nation.

Arab coalition without Pakistan is akin to a blind leading a blind. They all have equipment, but no combat experience, and even quality of their personals is in doubt with their soldiers and pilots criticised for their chronic lack of discipline by most of their trainers ,including Pakistanis. Addition of Pakistan to this coalition would mean Arabian hardware supremacy reinforced by battle hardened and experienced Pakistanis.

There is very little chance that Houtis would be able to overcome this coalition.

From perspectives of Arabs: Everything is positive.


@SOHEIL @haman10 @raptor22 @Daneshmand @kollang @Serpentine @New @Parthianshot @mohsen @SALMAN AL-FARSI @scythian500 @yavar and other Iranians..


What is your take on implications of Pakistan entering war on behalf of Arab coalition would have on Iran?

first of all, no matter how hypocrite Pakistanis try to justify their action, this coalition is an offensive operation to attack another Islamic country, so saying we wanted to help Saudi's defense couldn't be more ridiculous.

that said, we don't have much relations with them, thanks to their foreign policies even our economic relations couldn't be lower. in military perspective, Pakistan has always been a place for anti Iranian terrorists, our army has to always hold a few brigades in their borders or else they wouldn't hesitate to backstab us in the cover of unknown Wahhabi terrorists.
so briefly it has no affect on us, whatsoever.

in our view, a few Zionist's puppets have decided to attack another Islamic nation who didn't want to be part of American's puppets anymore. we wont enter war, cause we don't fight on behalf of others, each nation should learn to defend himself, yet we wont hesitate to train them and we will make sure they wont lack any equipments in their defense.

 

[pakdefender]

Pakistan should re-evaluate its position here since Iran is neck deep involved in Balochistan and it has always favoured indian positions vis a vis Pakistan

 

[yavar]

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I don't think that Iran runs the risk of being a recipient of Tactical Nukes of Pakistan unless it is able to defeat Pakistani Army in Pakistan. Iran has an outside possibility of being nuked by Pakistan in case of Iran-Saudi war (properly Nuked) as it is a belief in strategic that Pakistan has promised that (some even saying that some of Pakistani Nukes are based in Saudi Arabia) in lieu of Saudi Arabia funding the development of Nukes.
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this is what exactly what I said . i think you need to read my writing carefully . you say you do not think runs the risk of being a recipient of Tactical Nukes of Pakistan .( tactical Atom bom NOT Nuks )
so you think . this is what i exactly said in my previous post .
your Indian friend will understand better whether Iran does runs the risk and if Iran even can over come Pakistan tactical Atom bombs ( NOT nuks ) .
as i said you Indians and world would understand better after the event . you Indian friends do not understand Islamic republic much

the main fight we counting on hopefully will be with Pakistan never mind Saudis so stop dreaming it will be between Iran and Saudi

I
You people need not worry about Tactical nukes. They have very limited battlefield utility.

Simulation by US Army has postulated that a proper 25Kt nuke could only destroy 18 tanks in defensive formation and 25 tanks in offensive formation. Their effect on armored regiments is minimal, though they can cause significant damage to exposed infantry.

yes you are correct .
our worry is U.S fire power when it come to Saudis .
but by finishing One of them other countries like Egypt + Jordan + Sodden +++++ will back down and they will be deterred

 

[About.to.be.banned]

so briefly it has no affect on us, whatsoever.

It would not affect you but it would affect your allies in Yemen.

While Arab Airforce could easily own skies over Yemen for lack of Airforce of Houtis, their capability to fight a ground war in trenches is questionable.

Addition of Pakistan to such coalition compensates that weakness of GCC armies.

the main fight we counting on hopefully will be with Pakistan never mind Saudis so stop dreaming it will be between Iran and Saudi

Not that we are complaining.

The only drawback for us from this conflict would be Pakistan getting rid of its debt and receiving good quality of weapons. Else, Pakistan engaging in war with any other country except us is good for us.

 

[yavar]

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Not that we are complaining.

The only drawback for us from this conflict would be Pakistan getting rid of its debt and receiving good quality of weapons. Else, Pakistan engaging in war with any other country except us is good for us.

my Indian friend .
i think you not been wear of our strategic shift toward India and changing our level of India Iran friend ship .
please go to page below and look at the significant shift by Iran India in there relation . look how much money has India invested so far in Iran and look at railroad bypass and Chabahar sea port thread bypass and the new underwater Gas pipeline bypass so you understand better where we are and there is no going back

Iran and India relation Banking oil gas culture economy

look at 3 page fully especially my posts


to answer you comment about Pakistan is going to get new weapons .
as i explain our Indian friend will understand better when it kick off and then you can make better judgement

 

[About.to.be.banned]

@SOHEIL @haman10 @raptor22 @Daneshmand @kollang @Serpentine @New @Parthianshot @mohsen @SALMAN AL-FARSI @scythian500 @yavar

My original thread on this topic has been reopened, though after being edited by horus, changing of title, and shifting it from Iranian defence section to Pakistani affairs section.

Pakistan on Thursday decided in principle to join the Saudi-led Gulf countries’ alliance

 

[yavar]

Yemen's Houthis shoot down drone in Sanaa: TV

Yemen's Houthis shoot down drone in Sanaa: TV Anadolu Agency

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

 

[Zibago]

There is domestic pressure on Nawaz Sharif from People Party and PTI to not join this war but Nawaz seems hell bent on doing a Somalia 2.0 in Yemen

 

[Winchester]

but by finishing Pakistan

You have the audacity to post this on Pakistan Defense Forum
Before anyone comes close to finishing off Pakistan they themselves will be chopped to mincemeat

 

[yavar]

You have the audacity to post this on Pakistan Defense Forum
Before anyone comes close to finishing off Pakistan they themselves will be chopped to mincemeat

I did not mean it in bad way .
I was trying to explain to Indian member. where thing are and been played out .
I apolojize and delete it now .
I did not mean anything against Pakistan people .