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Firstly I like to discuss with civility. I am not saying he is right or wrong but just saying there is no point continuously discussing the same. As far as test are concerned in my opinion Pakistan hides its failureor mis represents it. This is accepted by senior Pakistani members here. What I am trying tell them is that you both made your point and nobody is convincing the other. So why not move forward with it. I specially think history of babur does not matter to me, personally I feel Pakistan was helped on it from outside maybe China. Tomahawk feel in Pakistan which was given to china in return of developed babur, its my personal opinion but Pakistan really does not have the base to develop something so quickly without help. Research happens in steps with parts built incrementally.First test was a success. Second test took 2 years because an upgraded variant came along, not the same thing tested once again. You see not he is ignorant and stupid, he refuses to read the babur database thread.
Nirbhay is being tested because they are not going to test a new thing. It will be the same systems.
Your army chief calimed your army can't fight more than 10 days! Yeah,,, at least Pakistan can withstand 40-50 days
Army has ammunition only for 10 days in war situation! - News Oneindia
Secure that is what I am saying, disagree move on instead of repeating it is many post.@indianrabbit I get your point about validation of different technologies just fine , I agree with it since the official sources say so . But this " death of logic " by preferring an unproven claim by a biased source over established fact of the first successful test flight of Babur is beyond me to be honest .
@bloo This is no law and order thing only . It applies to debate too just fine , the concept is also present for scientific and philosphical stuff in the same meaning . You continue your merry go round though , dodging the absence of any proof for the claim by your professional , doesn't irk me . Why would it since its just a hollow claim being quoted by a source ?
Ok , just dont hit the keyboard on the wall nowNope, I am still saying 17km and I'll stick to it, so enjoy your denial.
Secure that is what I am saying, disagree move on instead of repeating it is many post.
To me proving it was not even needed, its the point that does not matter. One question for you, do you seriously believe that you never failed a test? Or you will agree Pakistan does not declare failures?@bloo For trolling , speak for yourself . Nice way to escape though when you cant prove your point 17 km you said ?
All I see is a frustrated boy disproving his whole debate Dont want to ruin the thread because of people in denial mode , our SOP . You aren't fighting any battle here .
So the monkey is scared of Pakistan.With Pakistan arming itself with nuclear capable cruise missiles with stealth capabilities, a new dimension has been added to Indias maritime security challenges, says leading Indian defence expert retired Commodore C. Uday Bhaskar.
Taking a leaf from China, Pakistan seems to be investing in cruise missiles, he said, referring to Pakistans indigenously developed cruise missile Babur, which can carry both nuclear and conventional warheads.
This has lowered the index of stability in the region, Bhaskar said at an Asia-Pacific security seminar on Indias Maritime Security Challenges at the East-West Centre Tuesday.
But in dealing with issues ranging from low intensity conflict and piracy to major-power strategic contests, Indias key challenges were resource constraints, ship building capabilities, maritime infrastructure and the changing geo-political environment, he said.
The rapidly changing strategic environment in South Asia and emergence of an extended global common posed another challenge, said Bhaskar, currently a distinguished fellow with the Society for Policy Studies and a visiting fellow at the National Maritime Foundation in New Delhi.
Over the next decade, the US, China and India will form a critical strategic triangle and their individual relationships with the ASEAN, Iran and Pakistan will have significant regional and global implications, he said.
Given its distinctive geography and the recent shift of global maritime focus from the Atlantic-Pacific combine to the Indo-Pacific continuum, the importance of the Indian Ocean Region in Indias national security calculus has greatly increased in the post-Cold War/post 9-11 era, Bhaskar said.
Yet the Indian Navy mandated to address this wide spectrum security domain received about a sixth of an overall defence budget of less than $40 billion in fiscal 2012-13, he said.
He noted that within the Indian military matrix, the navy was referred to as the Cinderella service.
Indias ship building capabilities too were not really flattering, blighted as they were by time and cost overruns, Bhaskar said.
He listed the ability to build credibly fight capable ships as another key challenge.
The countrys maritime infrastructure too was less than rudimentary, he said. He added that that in terms of ports, Indias top port Mumbai was listed at the 30th spot in the world.
However, Bhaskar said there was a growing awareness at the national level that over the next two decades Indias future aspirations and anxieties will be increasingly shaped by its ability to address the challenges and opportunities of the maritime domain.
‘Pakistan cruise missiles pose key challenge to India’ | idrw.org
@AhaseebA Nothing happened actually and I know there is no point arguing about that false claim since an upgraded variant was tested exactly seven months after , followed by dozens of test launches incorporating new technologies , but check the credibility of this dubious unproven 17 km claim coming from a single blog and being quoted by another website being parrotted as fact , does it make sense ? Its coming from a biased Indian blog who for all we know - made it up to undermine the Pakistan's missile technology advancement since due to secrecy of our missile programme , theres no possible way that these people would have had access to the data and parameters to claim such a thing . There's no other International or Pakistani source reporting it even . The official sources confirmed the test as "successful" , thats it ! What are these Indians basing their ridiculous opinion on ? That is what I wanted to know from these kids who when even asked about TERCOM and DSMAC will have a hard time explaining it but are hell bent on taking that source as gospel truth . As for Nirbhay , we will talk about it when its tested successfully for the first time , since the next test flight was planned months ago , but never happened . Delay after delay . Speak of maturity of the platform and start a childish comparison with an inducted and operational platform . These internet warriors really need to learn the meaning of "credible source" and "burden of proof" concept , making claims without proof is hollow , empty and baseless to say the least and they want me to prove " their claims " . Speak of irony .
With the AWACS, it is pretty easy to detect and lock on to subsonic cruise missiles. Babur is powered by a turbofan engine and thus subsonic with a max speed of 800 kmh. Once detected by the AWACS, fighter aircraft can be guided to intercepted it and shoot it to hell.Detecting Cruise missile is much harder than ballistic missile.
I'm not shoving my opinion down anyone's throat, so if anyone is looking for credibility, there isn't any. As far as the secrecy is concerned, interested parties always find a way to gain access (across both sides of the border), and it is my understanding that Sengupta might have links to such parties.
Another clarification, the second test didn't feature an upgraded variant.
Oh so since nirbhay failed suddenly Indians started claiming Babur only flew 17km, how come it was never claimed before. All after nirbhay failure and it becomes Devine truth and coming from a source often ridiculed by Indian defence enthusiasts... Yeah sure