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Its a report by Reuters.
ToI makes that clear from 'source'.
Pakistan crisis puts army back in the driving seat
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ToI makes that clear from 'source'.
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Doesnt change the fact that its still garbage, quoting all those unmanned sources.
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Its called unnamed and that is how journalists work. They rarely reveal their sources. The only point you ought to consider - do you consider reuters as a reliable outlet or you do not. Because the agency stakes its reputation on these things.
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‘From czar-like prime minister to deputy commissioner-type character’ - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
‘From czar-like prime minister to deputy commissioner-type character’
By Reuters
Updated about 2 hours ago
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. — APP Photo
ISLAMABAD: Besieged Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has been assured by military that there will be no coup, but in return he must “share space with the army”, according to a government source who was privy to recent talks between the two sides.
Last week, as tens of thousands of protesters advanced on the federal capital to demand his resignation, Sharif dispatched two emissaries to consult with the army chief.
He wanted to know if the military was quietly engineering the twin protest movements by cricket star-turned-politician Imran Khan and activist cleric Tahirul Qadri, or if, perhaps, it was preparing to stage a coup.
According to a government insider with a first-hand account of the meeting, Sharif's envoys returned with good news and bad: there will be no coup but if he wants his government to survive, from now on it will have to share space with the army.
The army's media wing declined to comment.
Thousands of protesters marched to parliament on Tuesday, using a crane and bolt cutters to force their way past barricades of shipping containers, as riot police and paramilitaries watched on after being told not to intervene.
Military spokesman General Asim Bajwa tweeted a reminder to protesters to respect government institutions and called for a “meaningful dialogue” to resolve the crisis.
Even if, as seems likely, the Khan and Qadri protests eventually fizzle out due to a lack of overt support from the military, the prime minister will emerge weakened from political crisis.
Sharif may have to be subservient to the generals on issues he wanted to handle himself — from the fight against Taliban to relations with India and Pakistan's role in neighbouring, post-Nato Afghanistan.
“The biggest loser will be Nawaz, cut down to size both by puny political rivals and the powerful army,” said a government minister who asked not to be named.
“From this moment on, he'll always be looking over his shoulder.”
A year ago, few would have predicted that Sharif would be in such trouble: back then, he had just swept to power for a third time in a milestone poll that marked the first transition from one elected government to another.
But in the months that followed, Sharif — who had crossed swords with the army in the past — moved to enhance the clout of the civilian government in a country that has been ruled by the military for more than half of its history.
He irked the generals by putting former military head Pervez Musharraf, who had ended Sharif's last stint as prime minister in a 1999 coup, on trial for treason.
Sharif is also said to have opposed a military offensive to crush Taliban insurgents and sought reconciliation with India.
India rapprochement at risk
Sources in Sharif's government said that with civilian-military relations in such bad shape, Sharif suspected that the street protests to unseat him were being manipulated from behind the scenes by the army.
He also feared that if the agitations turned violent, the army would exploit the situation to seize power for itself.
However, the two close aides who went to see army chief Raheel Sharif in the garrison town of Rawalpindi last Wednesday were told that the military had no intention of intervening.
“The military does not intend to carry out a coup but ... if the government wants to get through its many problems and the four remaining years of its term, it has to share space with the army,” said the insider, summing up the message they were given.
“Sharing space” is a familiar euphemism for civilian governments focusing narrowly on domestic political affairs and leaving security and strategic policy to the army.
The fact that the military is back in the driving seat will make it harder for Sharif to deliver the rapprochement with India that he promised when he won the election last year.
Indian media speculated this week that Sharif had already been forced by the generals to scuttle peace talks.
New Delhi on Monday called off a meeting between foreign ministry officials of the two countries, which had been set to take place on Aug 25, because Pakistan announced its intention to consult Kashmiri separatists ahead of the meeting.
The Himalayan region of Kashmir has been a bone of contention between India and Pakistan since both gained independence in 1947. The two nations have fought three wars, two of them over Kashmir, and came close to a fourth in 2001.
The Pakistani army's predominance could also mean it could torpedo the government's relationship with Afghanistan, where a regional jostle for influence is expected to intensify after the withdrawal of most foreign forces at the end of this year.
Paying the price
Few believed that the army would back Khan's bid for power even if it used him to put Sharif on the defensive.
“Even the army knows that Imran Khan may be a great pressure cooker in the kitchen, but you can't trust him to be the chef,” said a former intelligence chief who declined to be named.
Sharif may now pay the price for miscalculating that the military may have been willing to let the one-time cricket hero topple him.
“Thinking that Imran could be a game-changer, Nawaz has conceded the maximum to the army,” a Sharif aide said.
“From a czar-like prime minister, they (the army) have reduced him to a deputy commissioner-type character who will deal with the day-to-day running of the country while they take care of the important stuff like Afghanistan and India. This is not a small loss.”
But Sharif's aides say a stint in jail under Musharraf, followed by exile from Pakistan and five years as leader of the opposition party, have made him realise that he needs to share power to survive.
“This is not the old Nawaz, the wild confrontationalist,” said an adviser to the prime minister in Lahore, the capital of his Punjab province power base.
“This is the new Nawaz who has learnt the hard way that politics is about living to fight another day.”
‘From czar-like prime minister to deputy commissioner-type character’
By Reuters
Updated about 2 hours ago
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. — APP Photo
ISLAMABAD: Besieged Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has been assured by military that there will be no coup, but in return he must “share space with the army”, according to a government source who was privy to recent talks between the two sides.
Last week, as tens of thousands of protesters advanced on the federal capital to demand his resignation, Sharif dispatched two emissaries to consult with the army chief.
He wanted to know if the military was quietly engineering the twin protest movements by cricket star-turned-politician Imran Khan and activist cleric Tahirul Qadri, or if, perhaps, it was preparing to stage a coup.
According to a government insider with a first-hand account of the meeting, Sharif's envoys returned with good news and bad: there will be no coup but if he wants his government to survive, from now on it will have to share space with the army.
The army's media wing declined to comment.
Thousands of protesters marched to parliament on Tuesday, using a crane and bolt cutters to force their way past barricades of shipping containers, as riot police and paramilitaries watched on after being told not to intervene.
Military spokesman General Asim Bajwa tweeted a reminder to protesters to respect government institutions and called for a “meaningful dialogue” to resolve the crisis.
Even if, as seems likely, the Khan and Qadri protests eventually fizzle out due to a lack of overt support from the military, the prime minister will emerge weakened from political crisis.
Sharif may have to be subservient to the generals on issues he wanted to handle himself — from the fight against Taliban to relations with India and Pakistan's role in neighbouring, post-Nato Afghanistan.
“The biggest loser will be Nawaz, cut down to size both by puny political rivals and the powerful army,” said a government minister who asked not to be named.
“From this moment on, he'll always be looking over his shoulder.”
A year ago, few would have predicted that Sharif would be in such trouble: back then, he had just swept to power for a third time in a milestone poll that marked the first transition from one elected government to another.
But in the months that followed, Sharif — who had crossed swords with the army in the past — moved to enhance the clout of the civilian government in a country that has been ruled by the military for more than half of its history.
He irked the generals by putting former military head Pervez Musharraf, who had ended Sharif's last stint as prime minister in a 1999 coup, on trial for treason.
Sharif is also said to have opposed a military offensive to crush Taliban insurgents and sought reconciliation with India.
India rapprochement at risk
Sources in Sharif's government said that with civilian-military relations in such bad shape, Sharif suspected that the street protests to unseat him were being manipulated from behind the scenes by the army.
He also feared that if the agitations turned violent, the army would exploit the situation to seize power for itself.
However, the two close aides who went to see army chief Raheel Sharif in the garrison town of Rawalpindi last Wednesday were told that the military had no intention of intervening.
“The military does not intend to carry out a coup but ... if the government wants to get through its many problems and the four remaining years of its term, it has to share space with the army,” said the insider, summing up the message they were given.
“Sharing space” is a familiar euphemism for civilian governments focusing narrowly on domestic political affairs and leaving security and strategic policy to the army.
The fact that the military is back in the driving seat will make it harder for Sharif to deliver the rapprochement with India that he promised when he won the election last year.
Indian media speculated this week that Sharif had already been forced by the generals to scuttle peace talks.
New Delhi on Monday called off a meeting between foreign ministry officials of the two countries, which had been set to take place on Aug 25, because Pakistan announced its intention to consult Kashmiri separatists ahead of the meeting.
The Himalayan region of Kashmir has been a bone of contention between India and Pakistan since both gained independence in 1947. The two nations have fought three wars, two of them over Kashmir, and came close to a fourth in 2001.
The Pakistani army's predominance could also mean it could torpedo the government's relationship with Afghanistan, where a regional jostle for influence is expected to intensify after the withdrawal of most foreign forces at the end of this year.
Paying the price
Few believed that the army would back Khan's bid for power even if it used him to put Sharif on the defensive.
“Even the army knows that Imran Khan may be a great pressure cooker in the kitchen, but you can't trust him to be the chef,” said a former intelligence chief who declined to be named.
Sharif may now pay the price for miscalculating that the military may have been willing to let the one-time cricket hero topple him.
“Thinking that Imran could be a game-changer, Nawaz has conceded the maximum to the army,” a Sharif aide said.
“From a czar-like prime minister, they (the army) have reduced him to a deputy commissioner-type character who will deal with the day-to-day running of the country while they take care of the important stuff like Afghanistan and India. This is not a small loss.”
But Sharif's aides say a stint in jail under Musharraf, followed by exile from Pakistan and five years as leader of the opposition party, have made him realise that he needs to share power to survive.
“This is not the old Nawaz, the wild confrontationalist,” said an adviser to the prime minister in Lahore, the capital of his Punjab province power base.
“This is the new Nawaz who has learnt the hard way that politics is about living to fight another day.”
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Denial mode lol. i don't need people from across the border telling me what to believe or not believe in. As i said before the article is pure garbage. First it was about how the army is pushing this chaos to come into power, now when that is proven wrong with army having no such intentions, now some unmanned sources say they are garbing power by remaining behind the scenes and to ensure that they have a grip on security matters w.r.t Afghanistan and India.
You can save those crocodile tears for some other time. As for Tunda Gernail
Does the man on the right appears tunda to you? Get your eyes checked as well.
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"Indian media speculated this week that Sharif had already been forced by the generals to scuttle peace talk"
So it was the Pakistani army who forced Modi to call off the talks...hmmmm
LOVELY these bharotis are indeed as per Katju a 99% crowed
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Karo ji, main kaida tera keyboard kho laya
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For the same erason you guys were complaining about legally elected Congress Govt in India.
NS supporters are there BUT again they also know rigging was ripe.
Qadri wants a mess whereas PTI though started in a good faith but due to Qadri is now in a fix.
Lastly am sure Army will save the day . NS will stay . The public pressure is already pushing NS to think over Election Reforms.
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these bharotis are indeed as per Katju a 99% crowed
He revised his percentage upwards?
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For the same erason you guys were complaining about legally elected Congress Govt in India.
NS supporters are there BUT again they also know rigging was ripe.
Qadri wants a mess whereas PTI though started in a good faith but due to Qadri is now in a fix.
Lastly am sure Army will save the day . NS will stay . The public pressure is already pushing NS to think over Election Reforms.
Well said. India is acting like a cry baby.
How are we suppose to resolve issues without "talking" to stake holders?
I guess they just wanna talk on the border with guns as usual.
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For the same erason you guys were complaining about legally elected Congress Govt in India.
NS supporters are there BUT again they also know rigging was ripe.
Qadri wants a mess whereas PTI though started in a good faith but due to Qadri is now in a fix.
Lastly am sure Army will save the day . NS will stay . The public pressure is already pushing NS to think over Election Reforms.
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They are mounting pressure amid the political crisis in Pakistan. I posted another thread yesterday, the source was Mubshar Luqman from ARY. He was saying on TV about how the cyber team of Indians have lately jumped on the Nawaz bandwagon and started defending him on social media while bashing Pakistan army and IK at the same time. Guess we are seeing the effects here as well.
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Watch your mouth ... That man is much more educated than your or your likes ... And his family (his brother,his uncle) have given the ultimate sacrifices for the country ... Unlike the tiny sparrow in a small hat with a big mouth you can your COAS ...
@Aeronaut. @Chak Bamu. @Oscar. @Jungibaaz
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The only statement on the issue ... Issued by ISPR (today):
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Why blame India???? Because TOI used reuters.....In that case DAWN also used the same article????
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