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Pakistan conducts successful test of Ghauri missile [1300km]

Prithvi means earth not Prithvi raj chauhan.

Ghauri could be any person from the city of Ghaur in modern Afghanistan. Pakistanis don't know the meaning of the word "Prithvi" so they assumed that the Indian Prithvi missile is named after Prithvi Raj Chauhan who fought Sultan Mahmud Ghauri. So they named the new missile Ghauri and started the tradition of Pakistan naming its missiles after Sultans.
 
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@The Deterrent Any insights into this test?
Nope, nothing new. However I am quite surprised by the "revelations" being posted here. Hilarious stuff.

Ghauri being retired? Like seriously? Do you guys have any idea what it costs to bring up and train missile groups alone (leaving aside the cost of weapon production). Do you realize the costs of the warhead, knowing that the warheads are not compatible with other missile systems? At least realize the advantage Ghauri offers us by adding variety and number to the overall arsenal.

And then there is the inter-department rivalry being taken out of context. True that the rivalry b/w NDC and KRL exists but that was back in the 90s and 2000s. It was over when NDC began the Shaheen-II program, and took forward steps in all other technologies (Cruise systems, tactical systems, UCAVs and much more) . The military decides who gets the funding for developing the strategic systems, so if anyone has the best deliverable, they get their project's funding. KRL didn't have any except the proposed Ghauri-III, so they got shut down. Same thing happened when AQ Khan requested to conduct nuclear tests in '98.

It was a freakin' training launch, there is no "going back in time" or "going back to liquid fuel". The Strategic Forces Command NEEDS to test these systems THEMSELVES periodically, so that when the time comes they don't have to ring up the civilians to do their job for them.
 
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Nope, nothing new. However I am quite surprised by the "revelations" being posted here. Hilarious stuff.

Ghauri being retired? Like seriously? Do you guys have any idea what it costs to bring up and train missile groups alone (leaving aside the cost of weapon production). Do you realize the costs of the warhead, knowing that the warheads are not compatible with other missile systems? At least realize the advantage Ghauri offers us by adding variety and number to the overall arsenal.

And then there is the inter-department rivalry being taken out of context. True that the rivalry b/w NDC and KRL exists but that was back in the 90s and 2000s. It was over when NDC began the Shaheen-II program, and took forward steps in all other technologies (Cruise systems, tactical systems, UCAVs and much more) . The military decides who gets the funding for developing the strategic systems, so if anyone has the best deliverable, they get their project's funding. KRL didn't have any except the proposed Ghauri-III, so they got shut down. Same thing happened when AQ Khan requested to conduct nuclear tests in '98.

It was a freakin' training launch, there is no "going back in time" or "going back to liquid fuel". The Strategic Forces Command NEEDS to test these systems THEMSELVES periodically, so that when the time comes they don't have to ring up the civilians to do their job for them.

a very basic question what is the expected shelf life of solid & liquid fuel missile systems (in general terms, not specifically about S-series or G-series) ??

secondly that includes shelf life for warheads as well or their shelf life is measured separately .....
 
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a very basic question what is the expected shelf life of solid & liquid fuel missile systems (in general terms, not specifically about S-series or G-series) ??

secondly that includes shelf life for warheads as well or their shelf life is measured separately .....
Generally, shelf-life of solid-fueled systems include the life of all of the component as well as the fuel, and lasts ~10 years. So when they are near the "expiry" date, they are re-lifed (i.e. some verification tests are performed on the basis of which certain components and fuel is replaced).
For liquid-fueled systems, it is the life of the components only (including structure, electronics etc). Their service can be extended too by re-lifing.

For modern solid-fueled systems, the shelf life for "wooden" rounds (i.e. stored in canisters) is around 10-15 years.

Shelf-life of every component including the warhead matters. If any one component is beyond service, it is considered bad news for the whole system.
 
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Ghauri could be any person from the city of Ghaur in modern Afghanistan. Pakistanis don't know the meaning of the word "Prithvi" so they assumed that the Indian Prithvi missile is named after Prithvi Raj Chauhan who fought Sultan Mahmud Ghauri. So they named the new missile Ghauri and started the tradition of Pakistan naming its missiles after Sultans.


If we take your argument right, than how Ghauri is a Sultan of Pakistan? He was a simple invader from Afghanistan that looted and destroyed the region we know as present day Pakistan.... It is like Sparta naming its weapons after Xerxes.




Early life
Mu'izz was born in 1149 in the Ghor region of what is now present day Afghanistan. The exact date of his birth is unknown. His father, Baha al-Din Sam I, was the local ruler of the Ghor region at the time.[1] Mu'izz also had an elder brother named Ghiyath al-Din Muhammad. During their early life, Mu'izz and Ghiyath were imprisoned by their uncle Ala al-Din Husayn, but were later released by the latter's son Sayf al-Din Muhammad.[3] When Sayf died in 1163, the Ghurid nobles supported Ghiyath, and helped him ascend the throne. Ghiyath shortly gave Mu'izz control over Istiyan and Kajuran. However, the throne was challenged by several Ghurid chiefs; Mu'izz aided Ghiyath in defeating and killing a rival Ghurid chief named Abu'l Abbas.

Early campaigns
Ghiyath was then challenged by his uncle Fakhr al-Din Masud, who claimed the throne for himself, and had allied with Tadj al-Din Yildiz, the Seljuq governor of Herat, and Balkh.[4] However, the coalition was defeated by Ghiyath and Mu'izz at Ragh-i Zar. The brothers managed to kill the Seljuq governor during the battle, and then conquered Zamindawar, Badghis, Gharchistan, and Guzgan. Ghiyath, however, spared Fakhr al-Din and restored him as the ruler of Bamiyan. Mu'izz, after returning from an expedition from Sistan, was shortly awarded with Kandahar by his brother. In 1173, the two brothers invaded Ghazni, and defeated the Oghuz Turks who had captured the city from the Ghaznavids. Mu'izz was then appointed as the ruler of Ghazni.[4][5]

In 1175, the two brothers conquered Herat from its Seljuq governor, Baha al-Din Toghril, and also managed to conquer Pushang. The ruler of Sistan, Taj al-Din Harb ibn Muhammad, shortly acknowledged the sovereignty of the Ghurids, and so did the Oghuz Turks dominating Kirman.[6]

During the same period, the Khwarazmian Sultan Shah, who was expelled from Khwarezm by his brother Tekish, took refuge in Ghor and requested military aid from Ghiyath. Ghiyath, however, did not help the latter. Sultan Shah managed to get help from the Kara-Khitan Khanate, and began plundering the northern Ghurid domains.

Invasion of India
After having helped his brother in expanding the western frontiers of the Ghurid Empire, he began to focus on India. He shortly invaded India, first capturing Multan from a fellow the Qarmatians in 1175–76. He then shortly captured Uch. Three years later he invaded Gujarat and was roundly defeated by the Hindu Queen Naikidevi. However, Mu'izz was able to take Peshawar and Sialkot. In 1186, Mu'izz, along with Ghiyath, ended the Ghaznavid dynasty after having captured Lahore and executed the Ghaznavid ruler Khusrau-Malik.

@killerbee1
 
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If we take your argument right, than how Ghauri is a Sultan of Pakistan? He was a simple invader from Afghanistan that looted and destroyed the region we know as present day Pakistan.... It is like Sparta naming its weapons after Xerxes.




Early life
Mu'izz was born in 1149 in the Ghor region of what is now present day Afghanistan. The exact date of his birth is unknown. His father, Baha al-Din Sam I, was the local ruler of the Ghor region at the time.[1] Mu'izz also had an elder brother named Ghiyath al-Din Muhammad. During their early life, Mu'izz and Ghiyath were imprisoned by their uncle Ala al-Din Husayn, but were later released by the latter's son Sayf al-Din Muhammad.[3] When Sayf died in 1163, the Ghurid nobles supported Ghiyath, and helped him ascend the throne. Ghiyath shortly gave Mu'izz control over Istiyan and Kajuran. However, the throne was challenged by several Ghurid chiefs; Mu'izz aided Ghiyath in defeating and killing a rival Ghurid chief named Abu'l Abbas.

Early campaigns
Ghiyath was then challenged by his uncle Fakhr al-Din Masud, who claimed the throne for himself, and had allied with Tadj al-Din Yildiz, the Seljuq governor of Herat, and Balkh.[4] However, the coalition was defeated by Ghiyath and Mu'izz at Ragh-i Zar. The brothers managed to kill the Seljuq governor during the battle, and then conquered Zamindawar, Badghis, Gharchistan, and Guzgan. Ghiyath, however, spared Fakhr al-Din and restored him as the ruler of Bamiyan. Mu'izz, after returning from an expedition from Sistan, was shortly awarded with Kandahar by his brother. In 1173, the two brothers invaded Ghazni, and defeated the Oghuz Turks who had captured the city from the Ghaznavids. Mu'izz was then appointed as the ruler of Ghazni.[4][5]

In 1175, the two brothers conquered Herat from its Seljuq governor, Baha al-Din Toghril, and also managed to conquer Pushang. The ruler of Sistan, Taj al-Din Harb ibn Muhammad, shortly acknowledged the sovereignty of the Ghurids, and so did the Oghuz Turks dominating Kirman.[6]

During the same period, the Khwarazmian Sultan Shah, who was expelled from Khwarezm by his brother Tekish, took refuge in Ghor and requested military aid from Ghiyath. Ghiyath, however, did not help the latter. Sultan Shah managed to get help from the Kara-Khitan Khanate, and began plundering the northern Ghurid domains.

Invasion of India
After having helped his brother in expanding the western frontiers of the Ghurid Empire, he began to focus on India. He shortly invaded India, first capturing Multan from a fellow the Qarmatians in 1175–76. He then shortly captured Uch. Three years later he invaded Gujarat and was roundly defeated by the Hindu Queen Naikidevi. However, Mu'izz was able to take Peshawar and Sialkot. In 1186, Mu'izz, along with Ghiyath, ended the Ghaznavid dynasty after having captured Lahore and executed the Ghaznavid ruler Khusrau-Malik.

@killerbee1
Thats a hindu point of view as he defeated many hindu rulers.
From a muslim pow he was a hero.
 
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Ghauri could be any person from the city of Ghaur in modern Afghanistan. Pakistanis don't know the meaning of the word "Prithvi" so they assumed that the Indian Prithvi missile is named after Prithvi Raj Chauhan who fought Sultan Mahmud Ghauri. So they named the new missile Ghauri and started the tradition of Pakistan naming its missiles after Sultans.

its names after Babar Ghouri
 
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Thats a hindu point of view as he defeated many hindu rulers.
From a muslim pow he was a hero.
Whats a Hindu/Muslim here? He killed all regardless of Hindu or Muslim when he attacked Pakistan. He looted and plundered the region. Is this heroism?
 
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Whats a Hindu/Muslim here? He killed all regardless of Hindu or Muslim when he attacked Pakistan. He looted and plundered the region. Is this heroism?
For hindutva brigade even babur was "ghuspathiya" and he united India under one rule.
 
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Generally, shelf-life of solid-fueled systems include the life of all of the component as well as the fuel, and lasts ~10 years. So when they are near the "expiry" date, they are re-lifed (i.e. some verification tests are performed on the basis of which certain components and fuel is replaced).
For liquid-fueled systems, it is the life of the components only (including structure, electronics etc). Their service can be extended too by re-lifing.

For modern solid-fueled systems, the shelf life for "wooden" rounds (i.e. stored in canisters) is around 10-15 years.

Shelf-life of every component including the warhead matters. If any one component is beyond service, it is considered bad news for the whole system.
Musharraf did Retire Ghauri due to 3 successive test failures and he did not llike he Concepts KRL were following.
For a narrow country such as Pakistan with no depth , quick retaliation is the key. No matter how good you make them,liquid fuel Missiles are slow to prepare and fire compared to Solid fuel Missiles.
Only Russia uses Liquid fuel Missiles,but they are the top dogs in Liquid rocket engines and even they use Liquid fuel missiles for Silo based SS-18 and not on any road mobile missiles
 
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Musharraf did Retire Ghauri due to 3 successive test failures and he did not llike he Concepts KRL were following.
For a narrow country such as Pakistan with no depth , quick retaliation is the key. No matter how good you make them,liquid fuel Missiles are slow to prepare and fire compared to Solid fuel Missiles.
Only Russia uses Liquid fuel Missiles,but they are the top dogs in Liquid rocket engines and even they use Liquid fuel missiles for Silo based SS-18 and not on any road mobile missiles
BS, Ghauri is still in service and will continue to be for at least 5 more years (if not less). Musharraf only rejected Khan's proposal of going forward with the extensive development on Ghauri (to develop Ghauri III) while there was the more capable Shaheen series on the table.
Every missile needs preparation, be it solid or liquid. The term "quick reaction" is used for after the missile is fully assembled and loaded on the TEL. The time required to bring the system in that state ranges from hours to days.
The bottom-line is that against India, Ghauri is still a feasible deterrent.
 
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Be proud of the plunderer who looted you, you are really unique. lol

Kinetic, no one really gives a shit about the names of existing missiles in Pakistan. Why don't you let it go?
 
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Kinetic, no one really gives a shit about the names of existing missiles in Pakistan. Why don't you let it go?
Indian press gives a lot of shitt on the matter and from this thread we can see,many Indians also give lot of shitt
 
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