Pakistan Clarifies Conditions for Tactical Nuclear Weapon Use Against India

[shaheenmissile]

did you study geography in school/madarsa

No I studied it under a cow,or was it a monkey?

 

[dilpakistani]

lol There are some overly naive Indians who are suggesting that if we use tactical weapons they will use strategical weapons and wipe us out..... Let me remind those Indiots Pakistan didn't tested any tactical devices in 1998.... they were all boosted fission devices and weapon(6th test in mount raskoh), They were 2-4 times stronger than what was dropped on Hiroshima -Nagasaki....So wiping us out means not another look at sun for you guys as well.... For past 15 years our plutonium base weapon program also has come to an age.... so there is a very huge chance that we would have three stage fusion devices as well. One last thing... Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is protected in a way that even if India empty its Nuclear cache on us and annihilate our population centers... response will come from Pakistan.... it would still be avenged.... So unless you guys want complete mutual destruction .... bring it on ....

 

[GURU DUTT]

For all the blab blab and yada yada by Indians and so called international experts Pakistan is very clear about its policy. You attack us we will use the nukes, its a zero-sum game. Everyone looses. The easiest way out of this is not to attack or threaten Pakistan by Bharti jokers. Its a time tested policy of mutual destruction, the only way out of this stupid situation is Indian government start behaving sanely instead of crazy right wing war mongers and establish clear lines of communications.
When IA chief goofs up such as we can do a limited war with Pakistan, common sense is too much to expect at the moment.

point is why will we attack you but even if we have to attack you will we ask for your permission before doing it

world has changed and so have the wepons of attack and you still want to live in past... well infact it is making owr job easier keep on doing it ...... cheers mate

No I studied it under a cow,or was it a monkey?

ok tell me will you bring your super duper shaheen missile launchers anywhere near indo pak border if you intend to use them where according to you will you store or launch them from

and if you dont want to use them in desert or forward areas why do you think indians will do that

janab soch samajh ke jawab dena im waiting for your reply cheers mate

 

[Soumitra]

No I studied it under a cow,or was it a monkey?

Good you studied in a zoo. But still you did not answer my question. Why would we need to transport a 5000km range Agni missile to the desert in order to attack Pakistan?

 

[shaheenmissile]

Stupid Russians.
Stupid Chinese.

Both idiot nations mount their nuclear missile on All terrain TEL.

THEY sshould learn from India and unmount them,

 

[GURU DUTT]

lol There are some overly naive Indians who are suggesting that if we use tactical weapons they will use strategical weapons and wipe us out..... Let me remind those Indiots Pakistan didn't tested any tactical devices in 1998.... they were all boosted fission devices and weapon(6th test in mount raskoh), They were 2-4 times stronger than what was dropped on Hiroshima -Nagasaki....So wiping us out means not another look at sun for you guys as well.... For past 15 years our plutonium base weapon program also has come to an age.... so there is a very huge chance that we would have three stage fusion devices as well. One last thing... Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is protected in a way that even if India empty its Nuclear cache on us and annihilate our population centers... response will come from Pakistan.... it would still be avenged.... So unless you guys want complete mutual destruction .... bring it on ....

so do you think owr research sientist who tested owr neuces back in 1998 are/were sitting idle all that time

now the thread is about clarifications pakistan is giving to use neuces on india not vice versa ... right ?

so now tell me what do you think why and how will pakistan use its neuces on india ?

im waiting for your reply ... cheers mate

Stupid Russians.
Stupid Chinese.

Both idiot nations mount their nuclear missile on All terrain TEL.

THEY sshould learn from India and unmount them,

hey wise guy you still dint tell me from where you intend to store or launch your ballistic missile launchers and will you bring them on forward areas in case you want to use them on india ? im waiting for your reply

 

[Soumitra]

Stupid Russians.
Stupid Chinese.

Both idiot nations mount their nuclear missile on All terrain TEL.

THEY sshould learn from India and unmount them,

Mobile Agni: Game changer or risky gambit?
14 February 2015 RAKESH KRISHNAN SIMHA
In a giant leap for India’s deterrence capability, the country recently conducted the third consecutive successful launch of the Agni V strategic missile. Road mobile strategic missiles were developed by Russia because they are more survivable

Agni V strategic missile. Source: Photoshot
With the third consecutive successful launch of the Agni V strategic missile, India is on the cusp of attaining strategic deterrence. This is the big boys club where you have enough missiles for a devastating second strike after suffering a full-on nuclear attack.

The aspect of the missile that will keep the Chinese – among others – awake at night is that it was cold launched from a hermetically sealed canister mounted on a tractor-erector-launcher (TEL). “Launch from a canister integrated with a TEL enables launch in minutes as compared with a silo – or open – launch. It also has advantages of higher reliability, longer shelf life, less maintenance and enhanced mobility,” says the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO).

A mobile system will allow India to keep the Agni Vs constantly moving along its road network. They can also be hidden off the road, in secret bunkers or forests, thereby keeping the enemy guessing all the time. Throw in several dozen dummy canisters and trucks, and you add more uncertainty about the exact whereabouts of the real Agni V missiles.




Hidden monsters

Russia was the first country to develop road and rail mobile ICBMs. Whereas America has its nuclear triad (silo-based, submarine-based and air-launched nuclear weapons), Russia has a four-pronged approach with its land mobile ICBMs.

“By dispersing a portion of its land-based nuclear arsenal throughout its great wilderness, Russia makes it very hard for the US to hit all of its nuclear emplacements during a 'first strike' scenario,” says the military website Foxtrot Alpha. “This greatly enhances Russia's land-based nuclear arsenal's deterrence factor. Just the threat of a second-strike ability, not just from Russia's SSBN submarine force that America works very hard to track, but from road-mobile ICBMs, and very capable ones at that, makes Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) a continuing reality.”

By 1991 Russia had 56 rail-based RS-22 missiles, or SS-24 Scalpel, as they were known in the West. The Scalpel had a range of around 11,000 km with 10 warheads, each being able to hit a different target. And at 100 tonnes it was a true monster that was bigger and more accurate than the biggest US ICBM, the Peacemaker.

Being able to move around the Soviet rail network of 145,000 km, the Scalpels were difficult to detect and track. This made them largely immune to an American first strike.

Russia then went on to develop a road mobile leviathan. “The giant Topol-M road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile is one frightening creation of mankind,” says Foxtrot Alpha. “It can hide in cities, forests, or even nuclear-attack hardened bunkers. It'll travel at over 15,000 MPH while taking evasive action and pumping out decoys on the way to its target. Not only is the road-mobile Topol-M hard to hit once it is in the air, or at the edge of space for that matter; it is also very hard to find on the ground as they can hide pretty much anywhere.”

Risks of mobility

But what works for Russia – or for that matter China, which also has a road mobile ICBM – may not necessarily work for India. During the Soviet years, Russia was not an easy place to travel, with its own citizens requiring passes to travel internally. There were regions and cities that were off limits to most civilians, forget foreigners. Under such circumstances, one could operate these rail and road mobile ICBMs, without the threat of terrorists or spies trying to sabotage or infiltrate these missile groups.


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Russia is a lot freer place today but even now foreigners require passes to visit certain areas. Besides, the vast landmass ensures that mobile ICBMs will always be hard to find or track.

India’s highways and interior roads – where the mobile ICBMs are likely to operate – just not as secure. The biggest threat is from terrorists who may hijack an ICBM and blackmail the country’s leadership. Or worse, figure out a way to actually launch the missile. The usual picture of a terrorist is that of a wild-eyed jehadi from Karachi or Kerala, but increasingly they are coming from engineering and electronic backgrounds. The next generation of jehadis may even get training to crack the launch codes of a captured strategic missile from radicalised sympathisers among the Pakistan Army’s field commanders who already operate such missiles.

Providing extra security for land mobile ICBMs will only compromise secrecy and thereby defeat the purpose of having them on mobile platforms. Considering that India is a soft state where radicalised groups brag about their aim to destabilise India and also openly associate with jehadis, it might be worthwhile to rethink the decision and look at launching more ICBMs from sea-based platforms.

Cost of upward mobility

An article published by Lt Col Ilshat Baychurin in Rossiyskaya Gazetaon November 18, 1995 illustrates the complexity and costs that come with operating mobile strategic missiles: “Each railroad combat missile system is designed for lengthy autonomous performance of alert duty on patrol routes. In addition to the cars where the missiles themselves are hidden, the railroad train has cars which accommodate a dining room and a mobile kitchen. One of the cars is earmarked for rest time for personnel not on alert duty. It consists of the compartments to which we are accustomed, the only difference being that they contain additional built-in third berths and a foyer with a television set and tables for board games. In addition, there are air conditioners and a shower. Provision is also made for a technical maintenance car.

“As regards the personnel of the railroad missile complex, each serviceman has a strictly defined range of official duties. Great responsibility is entrusted to the combat launch crew, but those who ensure the working of the harmonious mechanism of this unique train of its kind also have a hard time. The people who are responsible for the train's movement, communications, guarding, and for material and medical provision for the missile-carrying train perform particularly strenuous service. Considering that the trains are designed for lengthy autonomous movement, success depends on the quality of everyone's work.”

You get the picture: road mobile systems don’t come cheap or easy.




Range theory

While the government press releases continue to describethe Agni V as a 5500 km range IRBM or intermediate range ballistic missile, Chander described the missile as an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

Chander was asked to resign hours before the launch, so the missile man really had nothing to lose – and everything to gain – by revealing the missile’s true scope. In fact, the Chinese – who were observing the test – believe India deliberately flew the missile in a flat trajectory to curtail its range to 5500 km whereas the Agni V is, in their opinion, capable of 7000-8000 km.

With incremental increases, the Agni’s arc will sooner than later cover the US mainland. You see, it all comes down to this: when you are powerful everybody thinks you are great and your jokes are funny too.

 

[dilpakistani]

so do you think owr research sientist who tested owr neuces back in 1998 are/were sitting idle all that time

now the thread is about clarifications pakistan is giving to use neuces on india not vice versa ... right ?

so now tell me what do you think why and how will pakistan use its neuces on india ?

im waiting for your reply ... cheers mate


hey wise guy you still dint tell me from where you intend to store or launch your ballistic missile launchers and will you bring them on forward areas in case you want to use them on india ? im waiting for your reply

My reply was for those Indian fellows here who think annihilating Pakistan is so simple. Secondly I believe that both nation are too beautiful to be destroyed like that....I have Indian friends at work and teachers and i have highest degree of respect for them... but if Indian Government ever thinks that using force is a way to deal with Pakistan... Then we have to make sure that it must be a death wish for your side (God forbids)... If you have to understand our perspective then logically we are a smaller force by all means... therefore from our perspective we have to damage maximum with minimum effort and tactical nukes can do that... they can practically annihilate moving armored and infantry brigades.... with one simple shot we can render big airbases useless and that too with inflicting minimum loss to civilian population... so the utility is endless for a smaller force to deal with a much bigger force...

 

[GURU DUTT]

My reply was for those Indian fellows here who think annihilating Pakistan is so simple. Secondly I believe that both nation are too beautiful to be destroyed like that....I have Indian friends at work and teachers and i have highest degree of respect for them... but if Indian Government ever thinks that using force is a way to deal with Pakistan... Then we have to make sure that it must be a death wish for your side (God forbids)... If you have to understand our perspective then logically we are a smaller force by all means... therefore from our perspective we have to damage maximum with minimum effort and tactical nukes can do that... they can practically annihilate moving armored and infantry brigades.... with one simple shot we can render big airbases useless and that too with inflicting minimum loss to civilian population... so the utility is endless for a smaller force to deal with a much bigger force...

see the thing is pakistan is making a fool of itself by trying to blackmail india and the world by pointing a neuclear gun towards its own head ... like it or not

as for destruction neuclear blackmail is not a tool for getting the foriegn policy goals but then what pakistan is doing in fact is good for us ..... cheers mate

 

[dilpakistani]

see the thing is pakistan is making a fool of itself by trying to blackmail india and the world by pointing a neuclear gun towards its own head ... like it or not

as for destruction neuclear blackmail is not a tool for getting the foriegn policy goals but then what pakistan is doing in fact is good for us ..... cheers mate

Nop that's where you are mistaken ...that's not a blackmail .... that's a defense doctrine... and it has been tremendously successful so far... the end objective is not that we have to get destroyed but it is keep Indians at bay... Indians are oozing for a war for quite sometime because they rightfully assume that it is time they can undo Pakistan because of military and economic might....Two times you guys have gathered up on borders in last ten years but have to withdraw in humiliation because Pakistan is too out of calculations right now ... so keep ur feet on the ground...

 

[GURU DUTT]

Nop that's where you are mistaken ...that's not a blackmail .... that's a defense doctrine... and it has been tremendously successful so far... the end objective is not that we have to get destroyed but it is keep Indians at bay... Indians are oozing for a war for quite sometime because they rightfully assume that it is time they can undo Pakistan because of military and economic might....Two times you guys have gathered up on borders in last ten years but have to withdraw in humiliation because Pakistan is too out of calculations right now ... so keep ur feet on the ground...

well you still dont get it .... in short we are resilient by choice not the other waqy round but you can dream what you want working perfectlly for us either way .... cheers mate

 

[Truth Finder]

My reply was for those Indian fellows here who think annihilating Pakistan is so simple. Secondly I believe that both nation are too beautiful to be destroyed like that....

No. Pakistan can only wound India, but India would annihilate Pakistan. India would be willing to take the wound if it is assured that we will get rid of Pakistan once and for all. India is too big a country for Pakistan to threaten with MAD.

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

Nop that's where you are mistaken ...that's not a blackmail .... that's a defense doctrine... and it has been tremendously successful so far... the end objective is not that we have to get destroyed but it is keep Indians at bay... Indians are oozing for a war for quite sometime because they rightfully assume that it is time they can undo Pakistan because of military and economic might....Two times you guys have gathered up on borders in last ten years but have to withdraw in humiliation because Pakistan is too out of calculations right now ... so keep ur feet on the ground...

And end objective is to nuking your own citizens?

Did you ever thought why India not developing TNW as proportionate reply? Why India dropped the plans to induct missile like Shaurya and Prahaar back in 2012? No you dont.

Use your head, you figure out what is actually happening in military circles inside New Delhi and Islamabad.

 

[VCheng]

Another 26/11 might initiate. I am just speculating. Or it can be a Kargil like influx which the govt wants to punish.
However the onus is on GoP to rein its non state actors operating out of its soil, and no misadventures like Kargil.

Until then both armies will stock weapons and country in general will live in peace.

The risk for misadventures of that kind will remain from both sides, but it would never be a reason for widespread conflict that might turn nuclear. Neither side can afford that.

 

[Last Samuri]

i dont understand PAKISTANI mentality.

You threaten india with nukes daily. MUSHRAFF publically threatens india once a week on TELEVISION about pakistani nukes.

You now claim we will use TACTICAL NUKES to stop an indian conventional attack...

So who is theatening WHO.

ITS THE PAKISTANIS that are nuclear sabre rattling... daily almost

india now has sea based nuclear triad yet they dont sabre rattle daily about sea based nuclear weap;ons.

Pakistan needs to understand india cannot hold back on another KARGIL OR ANOTHER MUMBAI

ITS A VERY LOUD CLEAR MESSAGE FROM MODI