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Arizona is extremely dry so it helps with aircraft storage by minimising corrosion.
@imiakhtar do you think one aircraft crash signifies the fate of pia for that whole year, and if it (pia) was in a poor helpless situation then how did it go for the 777-200LR ??
Lol LOl LOL
By yr standards, Airbus should open a branch there, where even Boeing does not have one.
Ireland is a nation where 9 out of 10 Aircraft leasing companies exist.
Arizona has a Aircraft graveyard, people dont go there to buy lease an aircraft.
Airlines take the delivery from Seattle Boeing plant, whether they buy or lease.
Lol talking about boneyard.
You're putting words into my mouth you silly person. Aircraft are stored there when they're not in use as it is dry and conducive to good storage. Of course boeing and airbus don't deliver from there. I never said they did.
All I said was that there are plenty of 747-400s sitting in the desert in much better condition than PIA 747-300s and much lower operating costs. The fact that airlines are parking their 747s up and not converting them to cargo aircraft shows n
That is a grave yard for aircrafts that are NOT sold from there, barring few spares for whatever reasons. Why would you bring this issue of Arizona is beyond me, knowing that PIA's planes wont end up there any soon.
The planes in storage in Arkansas bone yard are there to be deconstructed or will be scraped. So whats yr moot point.
That was the thrust of my post.
The planes in storage in Arkansas bone yard are there to be deconstructed or will be scraped. So whats yr moot point.
That was the thrust of my post.
PIA, in a bid to overcome delays in flight operations, will induct five aircraft in its fleet on dry lease by March and April this year.
According to official sources, around eight narrow body aircraft (A-320) are being inducted on dry lease in the fleet of the national carrier.
In the first phase, five aircraft will be included during the current year to overcome shortage of planes and improve reliability, punctuality and regularity of flights.
The sources said that PIA's fleet consists of 38 aircraft, out of which, only 29 were in operation.
Currently, 13 planes have been grounded for the maintenance checks and five aircraft will be operational by end of this month, he added.
Some aircraft have been permanently grounded keeping in view the structural/corrosion issues and high cost of recovery.
The sources further revealed that PIA suffered loss during last Hajj operation due to subsidized fare and high fuel cost. PIA had fixed Rs.72,000 fare for the Hajj operation against normal fare of Rs.108,000, he added.
Currently PIA was not operating flights for South Africa and Kenya due to limited market size in African market, lack of commercial viability and fleet constraints.
Five aircraft to be inducted in PIA | The Nation
There are different categories.
Aircraft are stored there for scrapping, for use as spare parts source and for storage if the aircraft would be sold at a later date.
If they are well covered, chocks in place, engines covered, all covers are fitted tightly, it means the aircraft is for sale.
Many people think the government sells flying airplanes to the general public, this is not true. Anything the government sells, which could cause potential injuries, like a life raft, pilot helmet, or a flying aircraft will be demilled before it leaves the base. Demilling which stands for de-militarize, includes slashing rafts with a razor knife, crushing helmets, or in the case of an airplane chopping the wings off, or cutting the fuselage into three pieces. Some of the aircraft stored at the Bone Yard are turned into remotely controlled drone aircraft like what was done with the F-106 drone program.
Yes it does.
Safety and aircraft purchasing rarely go hand in hand. In the 777 order case, PIA was paying with it's own money (albeit guaranteed by the US). Boeing doesn't give a toss if PIA buys their aircraft and tomorrow drives them into the side of a hill.
Look at Lion air in Indonesia. They have one of the youngest 737 fleets in the world and a huge order book, and yet they're still on the EU blacklist. They could turn up in Toulouse tomorrow (and rumours suggest they will) and order a huge batch of Airbus aircraft and they will still be banned from EU skies. That is because there are ingrained safety deficiencies which have been identified by foreign audits.
In the run up to 2006 crash for PIA the warning signs had been there for the airline. PIA aircraft had been busting noise curfews at British airports as they were constantly late.
There were a number of emergency and priority landings by PIA 747s in the UK within a short period of time (some of which are on youtube).
There was an Airbus A300 which had a high speed RTO in DXB due to tyres which hadn't been re-tread properly. The damage to the aircraft and landing gear resulted in it being written off.
The fokker 27 crash was just the final straw when the British CAA decided to do an audit of PIA facilities and training and found severe shortcomings, ie the maintenance records of A310 aircraft were not complete.
As such the CAA in the UK pressed EASA to blacklist the 747 and A310 aircraft (most of them) shortly after in 2007:
Europe lifts ban on Phuket, adds PIA to updated blacklist | Aeropolitics content from ATWOnline
BBC NEWS | Europe | EU bans Pakistan airline flights
Recently, their maintenance has come into question once again with DGAC and CAA delaying aircraft for safety checks.
you are right about the 2007 bit here a clip from 2007 , but i still wont believe that pia was in grave situations in 2005-2006
i would use your own quoted values B777-200ER – $43.0 – 118.0M, $450-950,000 certainly LR would be much more expencive, so how was it afforded ???