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when the world lost us, Pak not,
our "good neighbor,good friend, good brother,good partner"
In 1989, all the world baned us in UN, eccept Pakistan and Cuba, this bringed sanction for Pak and Cuba
巴基斯坦与中国的真实关系
巴基斯坦与中国关系变化分为两个阶段,中国刚建国时,巴国完全走亲美路线,与中国关系并不是很好,但是也绝非很坏,巴国一直在举棋不定的摇摆中。60年代,巴国亲眼目睹了中国是如何以“数万边防军”即痛击印度的,就此发生转变。
70年代,在第二次印巴之战以后,美国第一个抛弃了被他称作“亚洲最好的朋友”的巴基斯坦。为了拉拢当时投报在前苏联怀里的印度,美国军方以各种名义拖延、暂扣了应该迅速交给巴基斯坦的武器装备,而印度采购了大批前苏联的先进战斗机,彻底把巴基斯坦击败,取得了制空权。此时巴基斯坦实际上已经成为了“世界孤儿”,巴国一个政府资深人士对总统说:“我们已经被世界所抛弃”。
  
   此时对于印度来说简直是“天下掉下的林妹妹”的好事。东巴最终被迫独立,眼看印度吞并巴基斯坦已经成为可能,巴国有限的抵抗力量从空战开始就被印度打垮了。
    但是就在印度做着“分裂东巴,收复巴国”美梦之际,一个贫穷但是很大的国家突然站在了巴基斯坦背后,巴国就此开始与中国增加密切交往。从以往的“美国西方沟通平台”转换为中国一个友好国家,获得了中国制造的“歼6、7”战斗机,特别是歼7战斗机进入巴基斯坦以后。使得猖狂的印度空军接连遭受了重大损失。
    巴国就此一直把歼7作为“守卫首都上空的卫士”来看待,绰号为“空中哨兵”。而此时并巴国内部开始一场翻天覆地的“大反思”行动,新政府上台,就改变原有的一边倒美的政策,转向投入中国怀抱。
    巴国政治家的座右铭:任何时候如果相信了美国等于选择了被抛弃。在巴国分析中,中国对比西方对于巴国最大的优越性是“中国是中共领导的国家”,是一个传袭制度的国家,可以稳固坚持至少50-100年以上的外交策略,不同于美国几乎更换一个总统就会出现新的衡量朋友的标准。这对于巴基斯坦恰恰太重要了。
    80年代中国开始走单边亲美政策,而对巴国的政治态度也有所改变。从以往十分亲密无间,到了略有瑕疵。但是巴国还是坚持自己的方针策略。
    前苏联入侵阿富汗以后,巴国感到十分紧张,毕竟苏联红军不可一世,因此巴国与中国关系更加紧密。而美国此时正欲借助中国来遏制前苏联。巴国果断建立了一条通往阿富汗抵抗军的道路,美国出钱、中国提供武器、巴国负责运输到抵抗者手里,最终导致了前苏联鲸吞阿富汗计划彻底破产。
  
      巴国当时没有给予直接回答,而美国则以默许形式开始对巴国出售F16战斗机计划。当联大决定对华实施制裁性投票之际,巴国突然站起来(虽然弱小但是依旧铿锵)高声回答:“我们坚决反对制裁中国,这是毫无理由的干涉国家主权”,这就是联大制裁中国问题议案的第一张反对票。结果巴国迎来了美国风暴般的军事、经济、外交制裁。
    不久后巴国军事政变军政府上台。虽然改变了很多,但是唯独一样东西巴国军政府没有任何改变反而加强,那就是对华关系走向。在这里我顺便提起远在北美的中国朋友古巴,他也是投了反对票的,随后又倡导召开全世界不结盟运动48国大会,以压倒性的绝对优势通过了一个反对联合国干涉中国内政的议案。
    此外巴国在军事上与中国合作更加紧密。中国研制的红箭8型导弹刚出道之际,几乎没有市场,巴国则是率先成批采购,并在其国内举行了有欧美11国家参加的所谓“试验发射”,红箭8就此名声鹊起,巴国决定在中国专家协助下大力仿制,以替代他早期“陶1”导弹,起名“绿剑”(不是口香糖)。并且通过美国支持,秘密销售给南斯拉夫独立派,打击南联盟政府军,取得了超越“催格尔”的好成绩。
  
  巴国拥有与法国不错的关系。90年代中前期,由于欧洲武器禁运正在火头上,希拉克也不敢公开对华出售武器。但是此时台独日益膨胀,中国面对东海“有海无军”的局面,迫切希望更换一种新型潜艇,中国开始与法国商谈打算引进法国阿格斯塔B潜艇技术。
    巴国率先在中国之前购买了3艘阿格斯塔B潜艇,其中1艘被秘密开往中国,供给中国“帮助其研究维修计划”。于是,1996、97年连续2年内,中国接连开发了宋级1、2两个型号,在同一年下水。1型为自主设计,带有阶梯形式的望楼;2型外观几乎与法国阿格斯塔B一样,就是现在的宋级改型。1型量产很少,2型则是以每年3-4艘速度建造至今。(此资料为美国情报局宣称,法国反对,巴基斯坦没有吭声。)
  
    中巴联合研制L8教练机,巴国不惜重金参与研制,但L8销量并不是太好,而巴国对此没有什么怨言。中巴联合研制新型坦克,其车体基础就是被中国陆军淘汰掉的T85IIMP,而此前从泰国传来的很多不利于T85II的传闻,巴国似乎没有听到!
    21世纪中国10年前承诺的新型战斗机枭龙终于飞起来了,就在巴国举国欢庆之际,印度利用武器合约企图迫使俄罗斯中断供给枭龙战斗机发动机。而巴国对此毫无办法,只能把希望寄托于他认为“最可以信赖”的国家中国。果然,中国用了很多办法解除了俄罗斯限制,并且把克里莫夫公司引入了中国。印度耗资约78亿美元购买的俄罗斯巨额“二手货”合同协议最终没有阻止住中巴合作,反而被俄罗斯甩了一把。
    中国主席到访巴国,该国总统以最盛大仪式率领政府团队前去机场恭候。竟然打出了“6星红旗”,印度媒体对此评论说,“巴国军政府在出卖巴国”。而中国主席则给予了巴国“4好邻国”的高度评价。
    此外军政府上台以后,增加了很多新闻管束的内容。在巴国不准以“台湾和中国”或者“北京和台北”等所谓擦边球辞令来报道,他们依旧在说“中国台湾省”。而我的几位记者朋友2006年、2007年分别到访巴国,因为那里曾经出现了几次武装分子袭击中国工地事件。此后,凡是由中国负责完成的工程项目,都增加了为数众多的武装士兵。几乎超过了总统护卫。在巴国公车上,如果你是中国人,你会感到什么是“朋友”、“4好邻国”?你可以参观很多设立有禁区的设施,而如果是西方人就可能会遭到拒绝。这是2006年英国泰晤士时报的一篇报道。
    在这里我又要说说我们自己。一位巴国媒体记者报道了他在中国的所见所闻,引起了巴国民众的很大不满。我们一些地方的外事人员,始终把巴国看作一个穷叫花子的国家,北京、上海等大城市的外事服务区内,总是把巴国人与印度看作一起,引起了很大不满。(这两者还是很好分辨)。2006年,中国一位西南报社记者在内参中报道了中国西南部地区一些边境公路的司机,看到巴国人大包小包往家买东西,就毫不客气把他们赶下车,嘴里还谩骂不停,此事后来中青报也刊载了。据称目前似乎得到了好转。
    这些事情巴国政府目前对内封锁,不准自己的本国国民知道。但是几位“喝了洋墨水”的高级中国人在那里开办的什么小报就要把此事泄露给巴国人,还宣称最好你别到中国去。巴国政府虽然查抄了这些小报。但是他们没有办法处理那些“中国人”,只得递解出境。
  
    从大面说我们政府可以说对得起朋友。但是从琐碎说,我们的国民真的有些不知道到底谁是朋友?到底谁看得起你!我不是自己骂自己。但是我们一些人就是这样,别人越是瞧不起我们,我们却要把热脸偏偏往人家冷屁股上贴,反而对那些真诚热爱我们的,却给与冷嘲热讽。巴国国民总数不足中国1/3,我们今天开罪几十万,觉得没啥,明天再开罪几十万,也觉得没啥~~巴国国民究竟有几个几十万,够我们开罪多少天的?
    再问问!中国在国际舞台上朋友众多吗?1989年联合国大会,全世界都在制裁中国,这不过是美国在那里轻微抖抖手的结果。而我们以往的朋友不是胆怯得不敢说话,就是拿了昧心的美元。只有2个真实的朋友说了句公道话,随后就遭到了美国制裁。但是那时我们能够给予他们什么?钱?还是先进得不得了的武器?还是别的什么?几乎什么也没有。但是信念留存在巴国和古巴心中,他们还是坚信中国会有崛起的一天。
    老实说我们在这个国际舞台上,没剩下几个真诚的朋友了,祖宗留下的“红色国际”老本我们已经快赔的差不多了。再不挽回。我们真的要成为“孤家寡人”吗?会过头去拉拢那些诸如朝鲜、越南这样的“亲密战友”吗?
  
  巴基斯坦是这样援助中国的,为了节省运输机的空间,多载些救灾物质,随队的医疗队拆了座椅,以这样的姿势飞往中国救灾... ...
  “我父亲告诉我,当全世界都遗弃我们的时候,中国人把最好的东西自己不用,送给我们,我们才打败了侵略者,我愿意捐助一切,愿意去救人!”得知中国发生地震后,一位巴基斯坦网友写下了这样的留言。而类似的表态,这些天在巴基斯坦人中并不鲜见。
  
    “中国兄弟需要什么东西,我们就提供什么东西。”地震发生两天后,巴基斯坦总统穆沙拉夫即亲临中国驻巴大使馆,向中国人民表示亲切慰问。穆沙拉夫说,两年前巴基斯坦遭遇南亚大地震袭击后,中国的援助令巴基斯坦人民“记忆犹新”。
    这个将“中国是巴基斯坦的坚定盟友”写在小学课本上的国家,这一次几乎倾尽所有。 5月16日早晨,两架C-130运输机从拉瓦尔品第的空军基地升空,满载价值约90万美元的救援物资飞赴中国。同一天,巴基斯坦红新月会向中国红十字会捐款5万美元。
    巴基斯坦人民生活并不富裕,却在第一时间慷慨解囊,这在巴红新月会代理主席哈尼夫看来并不奇怪:“为中国兄弟,巴基斯坦政府和人民有再大的困难也要帮忙!”5月27日,由28名巴基斯坦医生和辅助医疗人员组成的医疗队,抵达中国。
    为解决灾民临时居住问题,从5月19日至22日,中国外交部发言人连续三次请求国际社会支援帐篷。获悉这一消息后,巴基斯坦政府迅速行动,连续向中国地震灾区捐赠帐篷。细心的中国人发现,巴捐助中国的帐篷数量精确到了十位数,达到22260顶,而在分批运送时,甚至精确到了个位数。原因是,巴基斯坦这次动用了国家战略储备的所有帐篷!
    巴基斯坦人的兄弟情谊,令无数中国人感动不已。“我还能说什么,一个国家能做到把储备的所有帐篷捐给中国,这已经超越了友谊。”“怪不得大家经常说巴基斯坦是兄弟,说实在的,很多兄弟都做不到这一点。”
  国际事务中,难有如此深厚友谊,绝大多数是利益当头!
  这次抗震救灾,巴国捐献22000顶帐篷,还有救灾物质,可以搜索相关报道-----------为援助中国地震灾区 巴基斯坦搬光国内战备帐篷
  你们看完有什么感觉吗.?
  请中国人. 看到巴国人..伸出你们友善的右手..握住他们同样友善的手.
  不为别的..为了这群真兄弟 希望大家看完都能顶一下!有你的支持 才会有更多的人了解到真实的东西!
 
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Chines are known to be opportunist people, they won't budge until they see any gain in their own pole. I just don't get the this fake brotherly crap that is being spewed by Pakistanis. Chinzzz will leave you at the mercy of your enemy any given day. regardless of your unwarranted existence. Why gloat them for nothing they ever expressed love you expect them to save your behind with their glucostatic appetite.???

huh and who is not opportunist.

2. cut your crap of calling Chinese as Chinzzz

3. for the bold part China is NOT supposed to fight any other country on our behalf.
 
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when the world lost us, Pak not,
our "good neighbor,good friend, good brother,good partner"
In 1989, all the world baned us in UN, eccept Pakistan and Cuba, this bringed sanction for Pak and Cuba
巴基斯坦与中国的真实关系
巴基斯坦与中国关系变化分为两个阶段,中国刚建国时,巴国完全走亲美路线,与中国关系并不是很好,但是也绝非很坏,巴国一直在举棋不定的摇摆中。60年代,巴国亲眼目睹了中国是如何以“数万边防军”即痛击印度的,就此发生转变。
70年代,在第二次印巴之战以后,美国第一个抛弃了被他称作“亚洲最好的朋友”的巴基斯坦。为了拉拢当时投报在前苏联怀里的印度,美国军方以各种名义拖延、暂扣了应该迅速交给巴基斯坦的武器装备,而印度采购了大批前苏联的先进战斗机,彻底把巴基斯坦击败,取得了制空权。此时巴基斯坦实际上已经成为了“世界孤儿”,巴国一个政府资深人士对总统说:“我们已经被世界所抛弃”。
  
   此时对于印度来说简直是“天下掉下的林妹妹”的好事。东巴最终被迫独立,眼看印度吞并巴基斯坦已经成为可能,巴国有限的抵抗力量从空战开始就被印度打垮了。
    但是就在印度做着“分裂东巴,收复巴国”美梦之际,一个贫穷但是很大的国家突然站在了巴基斯坦背后,巴国就此开始与中国增加密切交往。从以往的“美国西方沟通平台”转换为中国一个友好国家,获得了中国制造的“歼6、7”战斗机,特别是歼7战斗机进入巴基斯坦以后。使得猖狂的印度空军接连遭受了重大损失。
    巴国就此一直把歼7作为“守卫首都上空的卫士”来看待,绰号为“空中哨兵”。而此时并巴国内部开始一场翻天覆地的“大反思”行动,新政府上台,就改变原有的一边倒美的政策,转向投入中国怀抱。
    巴国政治家的座右铭:任何时候如果相信了美国等于选择了被抛弃。在巴国分析中,中国对比西方对于巴国最大的优越性是“中国是中共领导的国家”,是一个传袭制度的国家,可以稳固坚持至少50-100年以上的外交策略,不同于美国几乎更换一个总统就会出现新的衡量朋友的标准。这对于巴基斯坦恰恰太重要了。
    80年代中国开始走单边亲美政策,而对巴国的政治态度也有所改变。从以往十分亲密无间,到了略有瑕疵。但是巴国还是坚持自己的方针策略。
    前苏联入侵阿富汗以后,巴国感到十分紧张,毕竟苏联红军不可一世,因此巴国与中国关系更加紧密。而美国此时正欲借助中国来遏制前苏联。巴国果断建立了一条通往阿富汗抵抗军的道路,美国出钱、中国提供武器、巴国负责运输到抵抗者手里,最终导致了前苏联鲸吞阿富汗计划彻底破产。
  
      巴国当时没有给予直接回答,而美国则以默许形式开始对巴国出售F16战斗机计划。当联大决定对华实施制裁性投票之际,巴国突然站起来(虽然弱小但是依旧铿锵)高声回答:“我们坚决反对制裁中国,这是毫无理由的干涉国家主权”,这就是联大制裁中国问题议案的第一张反对票。结果巴国迎来了美国风暴般的军事、经济、外交制裁。
    不久后巴国军事政变军政府上台。虽然改变了很多,但是唯独一样东西巴国军政府没有任何改变反而加强,那就是对华关系走向。在这里我顺便提起远在北美的中国朋友古巴,他也是投了反对票的,随后又倡导召开全世界不结盟运动48国大会,以压倒性的绝对优势通过了一个反对联合国干涉中国内政的议案。
    此外巴国在军事上与中国合作更加紧密。中国研制的红箭8型导弹刚出道之际,几乎没有市场,巴国则是率先成批采购,并在其国内举行了有欧美11国家参加的所谓“试验发射”,红箭8就此名声鹊起,巴国决定在中国专家协助下大力仿制,以替代他早期“陶1”导弹,起名“绿剑”(不是口香糖)。并且通过美国支持,秘密销售给南斯拉夫独立派,打击南联盟政府军,取得了超越“催格尔”的好成绩。
  
  巴国拥有与法国不错的关系。90年代中前期,由于欧洲武器禁运正在火头上,希拉克也不敢公开对华出售武器。但是此时台独日益膨胀,中国面对东海“有海无军”的局面,迫切希望更换一种新型潜艇,中国开始与法国商谈打算引进法国阿格斯塔B潜艇技术。
    巴国率先在中国之前购买了3艘阿格斯塔B潜艇,其中1艘被秘密开往中国,供给中国“帮助其研究维修计划”。于是,1996、97年连续2年内,中国接连开发了宋级1、2两个型号,在同一年下水。1型为自主设计,带有阶梯形式的望楼;2型外观几乎与法国阿格斯塔B一样,就是现在的宋级改型。1型量产很少,2型则是以每年3-4艘速度建造至今。(此资料为美国情报局宣称,法国反对,巴基斯坦没有吭声。)
  
    中巴联合研制L8教练机,巴国不惜重金参与研制,但L8销量并不是太好,而巴国对此没有什么怨言。中巴联合研制新型坦克,其车体基础就是被中国陆军淘汰掉的T85IIMP,而此前从泰国传来的很多不利于T85II的传闻,巴国似乎没有听到!
    21世纪中国10年前承诺的新型战斗机枭龙终于飞起来了,就在巴国举国欢庆之际,印度利用武器合约企图迫使俄罗斯中断供给枭龙战斗机发动机。而巴国对此毫无办法,只能把希望寄托于他认为“最可以信赖”的国家中国。果然,中国用了很多办法解除了俄罗斯限制,并且把克里莫夫公司引入了中国。印度耗资约78亿美元购买的俄罗斯巨额“二手货”合同协议最终没有阻止住中巴合作,反而被俄罗斯甩了一把。
    中国主席到访巴国,该国总统以最盛大仪式率领政府团队前去机场恭候。竟然打出了“6星红旗”,印度媒体对此评论说,“巴国军政府在出卖巴国”。而中国主席则给予了巴国“4好邻国”的高度评价。
    此外军政府上台以后,增加了很多新闻管束的内容。在巴国不准以“台湾和中国”或者“北京和台北”等所谓擦边球辞令来报道,他们依旧在说“中国台湾省”。而我的几位记者朋友2006年、2007年分别到访巴国,因为那里曾经出现了几次武装分子袭击中国工地事件。此后,凡是由中国负责完成的工程项目,都增加了为数众多的武装士兵。几乎超过了总统护卫。在巴国公车上,如果你是中国人,你会感到什么是“朋友”、“4好邻国”?你可以参观很多设立有禁区的设施,而如果是西方人就可能会遭到拒绝。这是2006年英国泰晤士时报的一篇报道。
    在这里我又要说说我们自己。一位巴国媒体记者报道了他在中国的所见所闻,引起了巴国民众的很大不满。我们一些地方的外事人员,始终把巴国看作一个穷叫花子的国家,北京、上海等大城市的外事服务区内,总是把巴国人与印度看作一起,引起了很大不满。(这两者还是很好分辨)。2006年,中国一位西南报社记者在内参中报道了中国西南部地区一些边境公路的司机,看到巴国人大包小包往家买东西,就毫不客气把他们赶下车,嘴里还谩骂不停,此事后来中青报也刊载了。据称目前似乎得到了好转。
    这些事情巴国政府目前对内封锁,不准自己的本国国民知道。但是几位“喝了洋墨水”的高级中国人在那里开办的什么小报就要把此事泄露给巴国人,还宣称最好你别到中国去。巴国政府虽然查抄了这些小报。但是他们没有办法处理那些“中国人”,只得递解出境。
  
    从大面说我们政府可以说对得起朋友。但是从琐碎说,我们的国民真的有些不知道到底谁是朋友?到底谁看得起你!我不是自己骂自己。但是我们一些人就是这样,别人越是瞧不起我们,我们却要把热脸偏偏往人家冷屁股上贴,反而对那些真诚热爱我们的,却给与冷嘲热讽。巴国国民总数不足中国1/3,我们今天开罪几十万,觉得没啥,明天再开罪几十万,也觉得没啥~~巴国国民究竟有几个几十万,够我们开罪多少天的?
    再问问!中国在国际舞台上朋友众多吗?1989年联合国大会,全世界都在制裁中国,这不过是美国在那里轻微抖抖手的结果。而我们以往的朋友不是胆怯得不敢说话,就是拿了昧心的美元。只有2个真实的朋友说了句公道话,随后就遭到了美国制裁。但是那时我们能够给予他们什么?钱?还是先进得不得了的武器?还是别的什么?几乎什么也没有。但是信念留存在巴国和古巴心中,他们还是坚信中国会有崛起的一天。
    老实说我们在这个国际舞台上,没剩下几个真诚的朋友了,祖宗留下的“红色国际”老本我们已经快赔的差不多了。再不挽回。我们真的要成为“孤家寡人”吗?会过头去拉拢那些诸如朝鲜、越南这样的“亲密战友”吗?
  
  巴基斯坦是这样援助中国的,为了节省运输机的空间,多载些救灾物质,随队的医疗队拆了座椅,以这样的姿势飞往中国救灾... ...
  “我父亲告诉我,当全世界都遗弃我们的时候,中国人把最好的东西自己不用,送给我们,我们才打败了侵略者,我愿意捐助一切,愿意去救人!”得知中国发生地震后,一位巴基斯坦网友写下了这样的留言。而类似的表态,这些天在巴基斯坦人中并不鲜见。
  
    “中国兄弟需要什么东西,我们就提供什么东西。”地震发生两天后,巴基斯坦总统穆沙拉夫即亲临中国驻巴大使馆,向中国人民表示亲切慰问。穆沙拉夫说,两年前巴基斯坦遭遇南亚大地震袭击后,中国的援助令巴基斯坦人民“记忆犹新”。
    这个将“中国是巴基斯坦的坚定盟友”写在小学课本上的国家,这一次几乎倾尽所有。 5月16日早晨,两架C-130运输机从拉瓦尔品第的空军基地升空,满载价值约90万美元的救援物资飞赴中国。同一天,巴基斯坦红新月会向中国红十字会捐款5万美元。
    巴基斯坦人民生活并不富裕,却在第一时间慷慨解囊,这在巴红新月会代理主席哈尼夫看来并不奇怪:“为中国兄弟,巴基斯坦政府和人民有再大的困难也要帮忙!”5月27日,由28名巴基斯坦医生和辅助医疗人员组成的医疗队,抵达中国。
    为解决灾民临时居住问题,从5月19日至22日,中国外交部发言人连续三次请求国际社会支援帐篷。获悉这一消息后,巴基斯坦政府迅速行动,连续向中国地震灾区捐赠帐篷。细心的中国人发现,巴捐助中国的帐篷数量精确到了十位数,达到22260顶,而在分批运送时,甚至精确到了个位数。原因是,巴基斯坦这次动用了国家战略储备的所有帐篷!
    巴基斯坦人的兄弟情谊,令无数中国人感动不已。“我还能说什么,一个国家能做到把储备的所有帐篷捐给中国,这已经超越了友谊。”“怪不得大家经常说巴基斯坦是兄弟,说实在的,很多兄弟都做不到这一点。”
  国际事务中,难有如此深厚友谊,绝大多数是利益当头!
  这次抗震救灾,巴国捐献22000顶帐篷,还有救灾物质,可以搜索相关报道-----------为援助中国地震灾区 巴基斯坦搬光国内战备帐篷
  你们看完有什么感觉吗.?
  请中国人. 看到巴国人..伸出你们友善的右手..握住他们同样友善的手.
  不为别的..为了这群真兄弟 希望大家看完都能顶一下!有你的支持 才会有更多的人了解到真实的东西!

I know most Chinese ain't smart, cos they are very easy to be deceived. With over 2000 years of being feudal slaves, they never have critical thinking. That's why the communists still rule China.
 
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I know most Chinese ain't smart, cos they are very easy to be deceived. With over 2000 years of being feudal slaves, they never have critical thinking. That's why the communists still rule China.

deceived? how? most of the rest of world, india japan s korea thailand ... are slaves to the imperialists only a few like China is independent in politics and military of them!

your flags dont mean a thing to us!
 
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The problem with Pakistan is exactly this. Boxing above its weight category. It may be hip to call yourself China's strategic partner. But except for the minor aid outlay and the major development contracts that China bagged in Pakistan, how is Pakistan important to China? Unless, of course, if there is a war. How long will Pakistan live this life? ... waiting for a war, as China's hedge.
Again the same position is forcing Pakistan time and again to start a war because the so called partnerships of Pakistan will be useful only during hostilities. So every decade or two, there is some meddling in Kashmir; Pak can act as drama queen showing off its 'importance' to the world. Even the Koreas think in terms of war and the freaking 'geo-politics' only so much. South Korea is after all the US's handle in SE Asia.

Even if the golden moment arrives for Pakistan's geo-political strategic master plan, and Pakistan gets caught up in the US-China fight, China has not much population in its West to invest in its defence. Pakistan will be forced to fight for China with its manpower, for God-knows-what.

All this politics may make sense, but only if there is some substance to back it up, something to protect and cherish.

that's B/S!

if China / Pakistan in your text are replaced with Russia / india respectively then your writing will sound instantaneously 100 times more credible!
 
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when the world lost us, Pak not,
our "good neighbor,good friend, good brother,good partner"
In 1989, all the world baned us in UN, eccept Pakistan and Cuba, this bringed sanction for Pak and Cuba
巴基斯坦与中国的真实关系
巴基斯坦与中国关系变化分为两个阶段,中国刚建国时,巴国完全走亲美路线,与中国关系并不是很好,但是也绝非很坏,巴国一直在举棋不定的摇摆中。.............................................
  这次抗震救灾,巴国捐献22000顶帐篷,还有救灾物质,可以搜索相关报道-----------为援助中国地震灾区 巴基斯坦搬光国内战备帐篷
  你们看完有什么感觉吗.?
  请中国人. 看到巴国人..伸出你们友善的右手..握住他们同样友善的手.
  不为别的..为了这群真兄弟 希望大家看完都能顶一下!有你的支持 才会有更多的人了解到真实的东西!

Google translation:

The true relationship of Pakistan with China
Pakistan and China relations changes is divided into two stages, China, just after the founding of Pakistan fully take the pro-US route is not very good relations with China, but by no means bad, Pakistan has been indecisive swing. In the 1960s, Pakistan witnessed how "tens of thousands of border guards, trouncing India this shift.
In the the second Indian Ba ​​Zhizhan after 1970s, the United States first abandon what he called the "best friend" of Pakistan. Order to win over the then-reported the arms of the former Soviet Union, India, the United States military to delay under various names, withheld should be quickly handed over to Pakistan's weapons and equipment, while India advanced fighter aircraft procurement of a large number of the former Soviet Union, Pakistan beat thoroughly achieved air supremacy. Pakistan in fact has become an "world orphan", a government Pakistani the veteran President said: "We have been abandoned".

For India simply "The world is falling forest sister" a good thing. Dongba eventually forced independent, seeing India's annexation of Pakistan has become possible, limited resistance forces in Pakistan from the air war began on India defeated.
But doing "separatist Dongba recapture the dream of Pakistan" in India, a poor but great country suddenly stood behind Pakistan, Pakistan begins to increase close contacts with China. The conversion from the "American Western communication platform for a friendly country of China, to the Chinese-made fighter" F 6,7, F-7 fighter jets into Pakistan. Makes the the rampant Indian Air Force suffered a series of major losses.
Pakistan has been working to J-7 as a guard over the capital defender "to look at, nicknamed" Skyguard ". Reflection Action at this time and the Pakistan the domestic Ministry began a radical new government came to power, to change the original one-sided U.S. policy, turning into the Chinese embrace.
Pakistani politician's motto: If at any time I believe the United States is equivalent to choose to be abandoned. Analysis of Pakistan, China contrast Western superiority Pakistan is "the CCP leadership", is passed along the system state can firmly adhere to at least 50-100 years of diplomatic strategy, unlike the United States almost replace a president there will be a new standard measure of friends. Exactly too heavy to be for Pakistan.
1980s, China began to go unilateral pro-US policy, Pakistan's political attitude has changed. Very intimate, from the past to the slight flaws. But Pakistan still insist on the principle of strategy.
The former Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan, Pakistan was very nervous, after all, the mighty Soviet Red Army, Pakistan closer relations with China. And the United States at this time he tried to contain the former Soviet Union with China. Pakistan decisively established a leading road Resistance Army in Afghanistan, the United States money, China provided weapons, Pakistan is responsible for transportation to the resisters hands, eventually leading to the complete bankruptcy of the former Soviet Union devoured Afghanistan plan.

Pakistan did not give a direct answer, while the United States acquiesced in Pakistan in the form of sale of F16 fighter program. When the General Assembly decided to China sanctions sexual voting on the occasion, Pakistan suddenly stood up (although weak but still sonorous) loudly replied: "We are firmly opposed to sanctions against China, this is no reason to interfere in national sovereignty", which is associated large sanctions against the Chinese problem of the motion. Pakistan ushered in a storm like the United States military, economic and diplomatic sanctions.
Shortly after the Pakistani military coup military government came to power. Have changed a lot, but alone, like East and West Pakistan Guojun government nothing has changed but strengthened, and that is China relations. Here I am in passing far Chinese friends in North America, Cuba, he voted against it, followed by the Non-Aligned Movement 48 Nations General Assembly advocated convening around the world, passed a motion to oppose the United Nations to intervene in China's internal affairs overwhelming absolute advantage.
In addition, the Pakistani military cooperation with China more closely. Red Arrow missile developed by China business for the occasion, almost no market, Pakistan is the first bulk purchasing, and held in 11 countries in Europe and the United States to participate in the so-called "test-fired its domestic" Red Arrow 8 this reputation in Pakistan decided to vigorously generic assistance of Chinese experts to replace him early "Tao" missile, named "Green Sword" (not chewing gum). And through the support of the United States, the secret sales Yugoslavia independents combat the FRY government forces, beyond "reminder Nightingale" achieved good results.

Pakistan has good relations with France. The early 1990s, the European arms embargo being fire head Chirac openly selling weapons to China. But this time the Taiwan independence swelling, China is facing the East China Sea "a sea without military situation, eager to replace a new submarine, China began to negotiate with the French intend to introduce France the Agger Costa B submarine technology.
Pakistan took the lead in China prior to purchase 3 Agnes the insta B submarine, a secret bound for China to supply China "to help their research maintenance program. So, 1996,97 2 years in a row, China series developed Song-class 1,2 two models, the water in the same year. Type 1 independent design, with a stepped form of watchtower; France Agger Aosta B, type 2 appearance is almost the Song-class retrofit. Few mass production of the type 1, type 2 is based on an annual rate of 3-4 vessels built so far. (This information for the U.S. intelligence agency claimed France's opposition to Pakistan did not say anything.)

Pakistan jointly developed the the L8 trainer, Pakistani spared no expense to participate in the development, but the L8 sales is not very good, and Pakistan, no complaints. China and Pakistan jointly developed the new tank, its bodywork base T85IIMP is eliminated by the Chinese Army, and not conducive T 85II rumors Prior to coming from Thailand, Pakistan does not seem to hear!
21st Century China 10 years ago, promised a new type of fighter Xiaolong finally fly the use of weapons contracts in India, in Pakistan the country to celebrate the occasion, an attempt to force Russia to interrupt supply Xiaolong fighter engine. Pakistan, no way, can only hope that he believes "most reliable" country. Sure enough, with a lot of ways to lift Russia restrictions, and Klimov introduced. India cost about $ 7.8 billion purchase of Russia's huge "second-hand" contract agreement ultimately did not block live Sino-Pakistani cooperation, but Russia has dumped a.
Chinese President to visit Pakistan, the president of the country's most grand ceremony, led the government team went to the airport waiting. Actually shot a 6-star red flag, the Indian media commented that, "the Pakistani military government betrayed Pakistan. Chinese President to give Pakistan "good neighbors".
In addition, the military government came to power, the increase of the contents of the tube bundle of a lot of news. Pakistan are not allowed to report to the so-called "Taiwan and China" or "Beijing and Taipei" walking a fine line rhetoric, they still said, "China Taiwan Province. My reporter friends in 2006, 2007, visit to Pakistan, because there have appeared several militants attacked China site event. Since then, all by China is responsible for the completion of the project, are increased by a large number of armed soldiers. Almost more than a presidential security guard. Pakistan on the bus, if you are Chinese, you will feel what is the "friend", "good neighbors"? You can visit a lot of the establishment of the restricted area facilities, if Westerners may be rejected. Thames, UK Times story in 2006.
I have to talk about ourselves. A Pakistani media reporters reported that he saw and heard in China, causing great dissatisfaction of the people of Pakistan. Some of our local foreign affairs staff, always put Pakistan as a poor beggar country, foreign affairs service area of ​​Beijing, Shanghai and other major cities, always seen as the Palestinian people and India together, causing great dissatisfaction. (Both very good resolution). In 2006, the Chinese of a southwest newspaper reporters in the internal reference reported in southwest China border road drivers to see the Palestinian people large bags on his way home to buy things, they unceremoniously driven off, his mouth abuse stop, the matter later Zhongguo Qingnian Bao also published. Said seems to get better.
These things, the Pakistani government the internal blockade, are not allowed to know their nationals. But several "Senior Chinese people drink the ocean of ink" run what tabloid put the matter leaked to the Palestinian people, also declared that the best you do not go to China. Although the Pakistani government confiscated these tabloids. But they do not have a way to deal with those "Chinese people", only deportation.

From the Omo said that our government can be said to be worthy of a friend. However, from the trivial to say, our nation really some do not know in the end who is a friend? In the end, who think highly of you! I do not criticize themselves. But some of us is that, the more people look down on us, but we put the hot face happens to people cold *** posted the contrary, those who sincerely love what we gave and cynicism. Less than 1/3 of total number of Pakistani nationals Today we offend the hundreds of thousands, think nothing tomorrow to offend the hundreds of thousands, think nothing ~ ~ how hundreds of thousands of Pakistani nationals, enough for the number of days we offend of?
Then ask! Many friends in the international arena it? 1989 the General Assembly of the United Nations, the world impose sanctions on China, but this is where slightly shook hands. Our friends not timid dare not speak, and is took Mei Xin dollar. Only two true friends said something fair, then have been subjected to U.S. sanctions. But then, we are able to give them what? Money? Or the incredibly advanced weapons? Or else what? Almost nothing. But belief is retained in the Pakistan and Cuba hearts, they firmly believe that China will be the rise of the day.
Frankly we in the international arena, not remaining a few sincere friends, ancestors left red international "capital we have quick pay almost. We do not restore. We really want to become a "loner"? Too far to go to win over those, such as North Korea, Vietnam, the "close ally"?

Pakistan is such assistance, in order to save the space of transport aircraft, the multi-carrier some relief material, with the team's medical team demolished seat, this posture to fly to China relief ...
"My father told me, when the world abandoned us when the Chinese people the best thing they can be exempt, gave us, we defeated the invaders, I would like to make a donation to all willing to go to save!" Learned Chinese after the earthquake, a Pakistani friends wrote this message. Similar stance these days is not uncommon in the Pakistanis.

"Chinese brothers need something, what we provide." Earthquake two days later, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf that person at the Chinese embassy in Pakistan, sent his condolences to the Chinese people. Musharraf said that Pakistan suffered two years ago the South Asia earthquake struck China's assistance to make the people of Pakistan "remember".
"China is a staunch ally of Pakistan" written in the primary school textbooks countries, this time almost exhausting. On the morning of May 16, two C-130 transport aircraft took off from the air force base in Rawalpindi, loaded with about $ 900,000 worth of relief supplies to fly to China. On the same day, the Pakistan Red Crescent Society donated $ 50,000 to the Red Cross Society of China.
Pakistan People's life is not rich, but for the first time generously to the Pakistan Red Crescent Society Acting Xihanifu not surprising: "the greatest difficulty for the Chinese brothers, the government and people of Pakistan should help! May 27, the medical team consisting of 28 Pakistani doctors and paramedical staff, arrived in China.
In order to solve the problem of homeless people live, from May 19 to 22, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman three consecutive request the international community to support the tent. Informed of the news, the Pakistani government to act quickly to tent continuous donated to the earthquake-stricken areas of China. Carefully to the Chinese people, Pakistani donors precise to a ten-digit number of tents, 22260, batch transportation, or even accurate to single digits. The reason is that Pakistan has spent all the tents of the Strategic National Stockpile this!
Pakistanis brotherhood, so many Chinese people moved. "I can say what a country can do to reserves tents donated to China, which has gone beyond friendship." "No wonder we often say that Pakistan is a brother, to be honest, a lot of brothers and we can not do this. '
International affairs, difficult to have such a deep friendship, and the vast majority of the interests of KING!
The earthquake relief, Pakistan donated 22,000 tents, relief material, you can search reports ----------- moving light domestic combat readiness tents for assistance to the earthquake-stricken areas in China, Pakistan
After reading what it feels like.?
Chinese people see the Pakistani people .. extending your friendly right hand .. hold them to the same friendly hand.
Not for anything else .. In order to group really brothers hope everyone reading the can top look! Your support will have more people understand the real thing!
 
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How deep is the relationship? Let's take a peek at the reality.

Trade - just $10 billion after decades, in contrast to Sino-Indian trade which is $65 billion slated to increase to $100 billion by 2015 and $500 billion by 2020!!

Monetary bailouts - China has been consistently refusing to bail out Pakistan to service its debts and had to run to American controlled institutions like the IMF for a $7 billion bailout under strict conditions!

Flood relief - The promised $200 million for flood relief has yet to materialize since 2007!

Lip Service - during Indo Pak conflicts in 1965, 1971 and Kargil.

Investments - Again, the promised $20 billion 'investments' is just in the air. Nothing substantial put in black and white. No road map as yet, except in Pak Administered Kashmir where the Chinese are involved in infrastructure activities for its own benefit! Where the Chinese are concerned, there are no freebies!

Kashmir - Neutral stance, saying the dispute must be solved mutually between India and Pakistan.

Deeper than the oceans? Higher than the mountains? Sweeter than honey? Stronger than steel? What do you think? Frankly, I think this means squat! :cheesy:

And I strongly recommend our Pakistani friends to read this eye-opening article reproduced by Fatman here....http://www.defence.pk/forums/seniors-cafe/216476-comment-pakistan-s-forced-realignment.html

Here's one paragraph from that article:

As a brigadier in the army said, “It is not the United States that has ruined Pakistan; the Chinese and Saudis have done worse to this country internally.”

What the people know on the ground is the fabricated reality of China as an evergreen friend of Pakistan who will not allow the US to bully Pakistan. Pakistan has been bullied for the past six years, and there is nothing that China has done or would want to do, partly because it has too much at stake with the US. For China, Pakistan matters very little in the broad geo-political game.
The problem is that the PA has been the director and producer of Pakistan's foreign and defence policies since its inception resulting in the mess that it is in now.

The fact is that officers in the Pakistan military are not trained to think liberally and strategically due to their narrow training as military officers, rather than as diplomatic officers.

It's high time they hand over their role of the sole self styled 'protectors' of Pakistan to a democratically elected government to form realistic policies in this fast changing world.
 
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How deep is the relationship? Let's take a peek at the reality.

Trade - just $10 billion after decades, in contrast to Sino-Indian trade which is $65 billion slated to increase to $100 billion by 2015 and $500 billion by 2020!!

Monetary bailouts - China has been consistently refusing to bail out Pakistan to service its debts and had to run to American controlled institutions like the IMF for a $7 billion bailout under strict conditions!

Flood relief - The promised $200 million for flood relief has yet to materialize since 2007!

Lip Service - during Indo Pak conflicts in 1965, 1971 and Kargil.

Investments - Again, the promised $20 billion 'investments' is just in the air. Nothing substantial put in black and white. No road map as yet, except in Pak Administered Kashmir where the Chinese are involved in infrastructure activities for its own benefit! Where the Chinese are concerned, there are no freebies!

Kashmir - Neutral stance, saying the dispute must be solved mutually between India and Pakistan.

Deeper than the oceans? Higher than the mountains? Sweeter than honey? Stronger than steel? What do you think? Frankly, I think this means squat! :cheesy:

And I strongly recommend our Pakistani friends to read this eye-opening article reproduced by Fatman here....http://www.defence.pk/forums/seniors-cafe/216476-comment-pakistan-s-forced-realignment.html

Here's one paragraph from that article:

As a brigadier in the army said, “It is not the United States that has ruined Pakistan; the Chinese and Saudis have done worse to this country internally.”

What the people know on the ground is the fabricated reality of China as an evergreen friend of Pakistan who will not allow the US to bully Pakistan. Pakistan has been bullied for the past six years, and there is nothing that China has done or would want to do, partly because it has too much at stake with the US. For China, Pakistan matters very little in the broad geo-political game.
Oh my God! Indians are so much sincere to Pakistan Nowadayz!!!!!!!!!!!........................:what:
Cut the crap and don't write anything against our brother country China no matter what...Is this understood to you Indian guyz now!!!!.Its just intolerable...............:smokin:
 
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Pakistan is a 20 year old young boy suffering from lack of self realization and direction. All it needs is a direction and a leader and needs no help.

yes we need a leader who blames everything on USA thn go back to US asking for donation for the smoth running of his political party?
 
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Time to reinforce Sino-Pak ties: China FM
By: APP | November 02, 2012

Time to reinforce Sino-Pak ties: China FM | The Nation

BEIJING - Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi has said that Pakistan and China are all-weather strategic partners and in view of evolving international scenarios both sides need to reinforce their ties.
Yang was having a meeting with Pakistan Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani on Wednesday at the Chinese Foreign Ministry in Beijing.
Jilani is visiting Beijing to lead Pakistan in the 5th round of Pakistan China Strategic Dialogues to be held tomorrow.
The Foreign Secretary conveyed the warm regards of Pakistani leadership for the Chinese leadership and hoped that the incoming Chinese leaders would further solidify Pak-China ties.
The Chinese foreigner minster said that the new Chinese leadership was well-known to the Pakistani leadership.
Both sides had a wide-ranging discussion on issues that included efforts to bring stability in Afghanistan, making the South and East Asia a peaceful and economically growing region, deepening Sino-Pak ties, and reforms at the United Nations Security Council.
They resolved to continue cooperation at various international and regional forums to maintain peace and security.
The foreign secretary informed the Chinese minister of Pakistan's efforts to bring peace and stability in the region. He asserted Pakistan's commitment to facilitate political reconciliation in Afghanistan.
Jilani said Pakistan deeply appreciated China's constant support for major infrastructure and development projects in the country and hoped that bilateral economic and trade cooperation would continue between the countries.
Meanwhile, the entire spectrum of Pakistan-China relations will come under discussion when Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani holds the fifth round of strategic dialogue with Chinese Vice-Foreign Minister Fu Ying from Friday (today).
"Pakistan and China have very close relations and both the countries have convergence of views on all regional and international issues," the foreign secretary said, asserting that "these relations are unmatched".
About security cooperation between the two sides, Jilani said Pakistan and China were closely cooperating in the fight against terrorism and extremism. “Pakistan considered the enemy of China its own enemy,” he averred.

Upon his arrival in Beijing two days ago, the foreign secretary held extensive talks on technology, energy, infrastructure, communication and culture, besides regional and international security situation.
The Pakistani leadership had held very fruitful interaction with the present and coming leadership during their visits to China, Jilani said while estimating that over the past four years, President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf and former premier Yousuf Raza Gilani visited China sixteen times, while Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao paid a very constructive visit to Pakistan in 2010.
The foreign secretary, however, expressed the determination that with the induction of the new leadership, China would continue its march towards progress and prosperity. President Zardari and Prime Minister Ashraf conveyed their best wishes to the new leadership during their meeting with Li Changchun, a member of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee, who recently concluded a successful visit to Pakistan, he said of the upcoming 18th National Congress of the CPC in which the transition of leadership would take place. Jilani stressed the need for further deepening cooperation between the media outlets of the two countries, saying that exchange of more delegations would help understand each other's history, culture and development.
He said that the people of Pakistan were taking keen interest in learning Chinese, adding that the establishment of more Confucius institutes in different Pakistani cities would help the peoples to better understand each other.
He also said the recent launch of China Radio International's FM-98, Dosti Channel, was gaining popularity among the Pakistani listeners.
Earlier, outgoing Ambassador and Pakistan's Permanent Representative to the United Nations, Masood Khan, introduced the foreign secretary to the Chinese media.
This news was published in print paper. Access complete paper of this day.

we need a MAO ZA -DONG from china to reform pakistan, westrn democracy is the mother of all ills in pakistan!
long live CHINA , long live PAKISTAN & forever our friendship!:agree::tup::china::pakistan:
 
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The problem is that the PA has been the director and producer of Pakistan's foreign and defence policies since its inception resulting in the mess that it is in now.

The fact is that officers in the Pakistan military are not trained to think liberally and strategically due to their narrow training as military officers, rather than as diplomatic officers.

It's high time they hand over their role of the sole self styled 'protectors' of Pakistan to a democratically elected government to form realistic policies in this fast changing world.

westrn democracy is itself a mess , a sickness which has always brought mess in pakistan!
 
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