Pakistan Caught In The Middle As China’s OBOR Becomes Saudi-Iranian-Indian Battleground

[Tokhme khar]

How? by getting 11 of our soldiers killed by wahabbi kaafir on the border with pakestan?

Agree to quite extent...But Iranians are taking unfair advantage of our leniency

 

[Mugwop]

Give it a rest would you. There is no strategic reason for Iran to plot against India nor Pakistan. Actually the war between you two is stupid. You both have nothing to gain and everything to loose.

Think for a sec what Iran, India and Pakistan could do if they were allies. However as long as China, US and Saudi can get their agendas implemented then this will never happen.

india is using iran and afghanistan to plot against Pakistan.

 

[Mamluk]

Pakistan always was part of greater Iran and Iranian tribe and Iranian people lived there before entering south Asian people.
get back your words.

Pakistan always belonged to Pakistani people, since the time of Indus Valley civilization. Iran did occupy parts at various times, but Farsi people never lived here.

 

[haman10]

india is using iran and afghanistan to plot against Pakistan.

oh dear no one's plotting against you, lol.

you're simply overestimating yourself.

India is using Iran? how? how are they using us? how is any country in this world using Iran?

too much talk from a country who is a military base for others maybe?

 

[fitpOsitive]

Dear Irani bloggers, please please please don't try to include your country into the list of those countries which we are very busy screwing. We love Iran, and the main reason why we are in the coalition is to keep the things peaceful as much as possible, specially for Saudia and Iran. Why don't you guys say a word to Indians who sent their forces before us.
We don't want to fight you, its not because that we can't, its because we don't want to.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

How? by getting 11 of our soldiers killed by wahabbi kaafir on the border with pakestan?

I feel for those soldiers...But just because those guards got killed near our border, doesn't mean attackers came from Pakistan...Your Sistan province is quite turbulent...

Blaming Pakistan won't solve problem...Joint security of border will be the way to go.

 

[Mugwop]

oh dear no one's plotting against you, lol.

you're simply overestimating yourself.

India is using Iran? how? how are they using us? how is any country in this world using Iran?

too much talk from a country who is a military base for others maybe?

Overestimating myself how? Care to elaborate?

Have you heard of yadav?

If you don't like this country then log out and f*ck off you iranian supremacist.

 

[cocomo]

There have been talks about Zaki's murder being carried out by the Iranians. Such operations are carried out to engineer outrage in the sect he represented, therefore making it easy to recruit the youth which is feeling marginalized. Im telling you that the Pakistani state is losing patience with Iran. Kulbhushan Jadhav case and appointment of Raheel Sharif to IMAFT has been two slight nudges to the Iranian Mullahs, if they don't pull back on Al-Zainboon terrorist group, they'll have another hostile state on the border.

I am of the opinion that Pakistani Shia youth were radicalized when the heathens in Syria started blowing up Shia Holy sites hence the name "Zainabyoon", they were motivated by the desire to protect their Shrines.
Iran on the other hand has conveniently placed itself to mirror Pakistan. We have relations with Saudi they have relations with India, we are willing to mediated b/w Iran-Saudi, Iran is willing to mediate b/w India-Pakistan. I could be wrong but I believe if we deepen our relations with Saudi, Iran will do the same vis-a-vis India.

 

[ای ایران]

I could be wrong but I believe if we deepen our relations with Saudi, Iran will do the same vis-a-vis India.

Yes you are wrong. You dont seem to know or understand Iran. We dont care about Pakistan vs India and Iran does not see Pakistan as a rival. Iran's leadership is many things, but they are not juvenile enough to frame Iran's foreign policy towards South Asia through the petty one-upmanship that Pakistanis and Indians play against each other. Iran treats Pakistan and India equally and will not favour one over the other. So you will not see Iran trying to use India to spite Pakistan, Iran doesnt care about that. Iran will not allow itself to be used by India either. If you think otherwise then you just dont know Iran or understand the mindset of the regime (actually it is very clear from this website that Pakistanis on the whole are clueless about Iran).

Iran isnt opposed to close Saudi-Pakistan relations. Nobody in Iran cares about Pakistan to be honest and your country barely gets any notice or attention in Iranian political discourse. Iran only opposes what it perceives to be Saudi Arabian efforts to solicit Pakistani support for anti-Iran activities. Otherwise, Iran doesnt really take issue with Pakistan and isnt particularly interested in South Asia. It is Saudi Arabia that Iran takes issue with (and obviously vice-versa).

Back on topic.

To be fair, Pakistan's government usually resists Saudi pressure to engage in antagonistic acts against Iran. However, as the article opening this topic pointed out, Saudi Arabia has very close relations to different power circles within Pakistan that include both state and non-state actors. It is common knowledge that the Pakistani establishment doesnt function as a single unit, it's civilian government and army sometimes follow the same policies, but other times persue different, contradictory agendas. Saudia Arabia has close ties with both, and can leverage one over the other. In addition, Saudi Arabia has close ties to many autonomous Pakistani non-state actors which are influential in that country, particularly religious groups that run schools, mosques and other 'community' services that are independent from the Pakistani state.

Saudi Arabia without a doubt uses its influence over some of these Pakistani religious organisations to bypass the Pakistani government for initiating hostile activity towards Iran from Pakistani territory. Jeash al-Adl, like Jondallah before it, is very clearly under the wing of two Pakistani terrorist groups, the LeJ and the SSP / ASWJ. The ASWJ is not considered by Pakistan to be a terrorist organisation and a Google search will bring up many stories from the Pakistani media documenting its history of paranoia and hostile activities and rhetoric against Iran.

Pakistan has very weak civilian control over its Balouchestan where there is clearly a massive law and order problem. Pakistani Balouchestan is dirt poor, more than half the population is illiterate according to Pakistan's own statistics, its judicial system is weak and in some places, non-existent. Likwise, its police forces are weak and obviously unable to enforce Pakistani law and tackle crime. The schools and education sector likewise, are clearly in shambles.

So, in the absence of a capable police force, courts, schools and local government authority, Pakistani Balouchestan is unsurprisingly a haven for bands of criminals and terrorists.

As such, i expect that for many, many years to come, Iran is going to have to deal with insecure borders with Pakistan and cross-border terrorism. Saudi Arabia is just too influential among different Pakistani circles (state and non-state). Whenever Pakistan's civilian government refuses to formally engage in hostilities with Iran under Saudi pressure, Saudi Arabia always has the option of bypassing the Pakistani government through non-state actors and / or the Pakistani army and Pakistan's weak control over its lawless Balouchestan is the perfect haven for Saudi Arabian supported groups to attack Iran from.

 

[cocomo]

Iran's leadership is many things, but they are not juvenile enough to frame Iran's foreign policy towards South Asia through the petty one-upmanship that Pakistanis and Indians play against each other.

I don't buy that Pakistan which shares border with Iran is not on Iran's political/diplomatic radar. Iran may not care about India vs Pak but to counter Pakistan's alliance with Saudi, Iran will use India. There are perceived threats from Pakistan which public/politician in Iran believe exist which Iran has to counter. My point was Iran will house Indian spy networks if it perceives that Pakistan is doing the same with Saudi funded militants on Pak-Iran border. I don't see any other way for Iran to counter such a threat. Its not about one-upmanship its about perceived threats and Iran's policy to counter them.

 

[Full Moon]

Everytime you are wondering how effective Iranian security and intelligence agency is compared to neighboring countries, just go ahead and count the number of bombs going off inside Iran and then compare it to the countries around Iran. Maybe, just maybe that will give you a hint which agencies are most effective and thus most likely to be able to deal with terroriat groups and their leaders.

It is only the silence that precedes the storm. The Mullahs have just gone too far with thier abuse of power internally and externally.

 

[krash]

Blaming all the foreigners and outsiders for every single problem that goes on inside one's country is only a loser's job.

Ahan....

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iran...ns-inside-pakistan.494326/page-9#post-9459439

 

[deckingraj]

oh dear no one's plotting against you, lol.

you're simply overestimating yourself.

India is using Iran? how? how are they using us? how is any country in this world using Iran?

too much talk from a country who is a military base for others maybe?

why bother asking how?? India is using Iran is a fact...you know why? because PDF think tank is saying so...simple!! ..... Have you noticed it is either India, India via AF, India via Iran...or USA...though i sometimes feel bad when India is not accused for issues that Pak has with USA

 

[SorryNotSorry]

india is using iran and afghanistan to plot against Pakistan.

You shouldn't give credit to India for everything. Iran and Afghanistan are sovereign nations and are responsible for their actions. I honestly don't believe India has the power to "make" Iran, or even Afghanistan do anything of this nature.

 

[ای ایران]

I don't buy that Pakistan which shares border with Iran is not on Iran's political/diplomatic radar. Iran may not care about India vs Pak but to counter Pakistan's alliance with Saudi, Iran will use India. There are perceived threats from Pakistan which public/politician in Iran believe exist which Iran has to counter. My point was Iran will house Indian spy networks if it perceives that Pakistan is doing the same with Saudi funded militants on Pak-Iran border. I don't see any other way for Iran to counter such a threat. Its not about one-upmanship its about perceived threats and Iran's policy to counter them.

Ok man, believe whatever conspiracies you want to, but you clearly dont know or understand Iran. We dont need India to deal with you, and Iran has no interest in involving itself in South Asian conflicts. Iran doesnt see Pakistan as a rival. Iran sees the bordering Pakistani territory as lawless and unstable and as such, the bordering areas as a source of potential threats, but Iran doesnt see the Pakistani state as a threat, so Iran is not going to align itself with India in the context of an anti-Pakistan policy. You may see the World through the prism of your Indo-Pak sibling rivalry, but Iran does not. Pakistan's relationship with Saudi Arabia has no relevance to Iran's relationship with either India or Pakistan. We dont think like you, we dont act like you, and Iran doesnt frame its interests and relationships like you do. Try to understand that. Pakistani mentality and this petty Indo-Pak stuff is all alien to Iranians.

Saudi Arabia's relationship to Pakistani non-state actors that are anti-Iran and are linked to militancy and terrorism is a concern to Iran. However, this neither brings Iran closer to India nor does it bring Iran closer to Afghanistan, even though both face a similar issue with Pakistani territory being used as safe havens for terrorists.

Ps, I know you might not want to believe it, but Saudi Arabia actually has a pretty good relationship with your bitter sibling rival, India. So you are obviously not as special to the Saudis as you think you are since they value India too and have an excellent trade relationship with India that they are not going to sacrifice for Iran.