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Pakistan carries out airstrikes along AfPak border

The Pashtunistan chapter might be closed but the law o bar chapter is very much open. This is fuelled by the ethnic parties we have like ptm.

That’s right now but imagine a stable Afghanistan. Imagine the 300k strong previous afghan army was the army of a stable Afghanistan and imagine they had a airforce even 2 squadrons of capable jets.
It would be a serious headache because we would have to raise many new troops and would have to focus on afghan threat. We could be in the thinking they would never attack but we would never be sure especially since they don’t recognize Durand line.
Also Iran is on path to getting nukes soon. Even tho we don’t have issues with Iran, it still puts us in a tough situation because we have 3 nuclear states surrounding us and a stable Afghanistan would be the final nail in the coffin. All it takes is a regime change in stable Afghanistan ti make a pro pak gov, anti pak. All it takes is india to flush Iran with investments to create issues with us.
See, this is what security-centered approach does - eliminate viable options.

Do you have any idea how much of a peace-bond is trade, for example? Do you know that democracies do not easily go to war with one another? Do you see the havoc & instability that is caused by meddling into other countries' affairs causes? Don't you see that a poor & unstable Afghanistan is just as much of a threat? What was the whole WoT about? Do you wish to forever be managing Taliban & looking over your shoulder to see when the next terrorist attack would come? Suppose Afghanistan finally breaks up (less chance, but still plausible), what happens to the part that belongs to Afghan Pashtuns? Would that not be a massive headache in itself?

These are no good choices either & it will always impact Pakistan's own progress.

I want to bet on a peaceful & democratic Afghanistan.
 
See, this is what security-centered approach does - eliminate viable options.

Do you have any idea how much of a peace-bond is trade, for example? Do you know that democracies do not easily go to war with one another? Do you see the havoc & instability that is caused by meddling into other countries' affairs causes? Don't you see that a poor & unstable Afghanistan is just as much of a threat? What was the whole WoT about? Do you wish to forever be managing Taliban & looking over your shoulder to see when the next terrorist attack would come? Suppose Afghanistan finally breaks up (less chance, but still plausible), what happens to the part that belongs to Afghan Pashtuns? Would that not be a massive headache in itself?

These are no good choices either & it will always impact Pakistan's own progress.

I want to bet on a peaceful & democratic Afghanistan.

I agree that meddling in their affairs caused us great harm but how much can trade do? At the very minimum Afghanistan should first recognize Durand Line as international border so we at least get some sort of sense of security. While afghan governments still see up to Attock as being part of Afghanistan, and india launching projects like chabahar, I doubt we would be able to get the level of influence needed in Afghanistan. India will have more influence. We had trade agreements with Afghanistan for years even under previous regime. It didn’t benefit us in any way as we still couldn’t access Central Asia, however it gave india tons of influence in Afghanistan.

The only solution for a peaceful Afghanistan and one which doesn’t pose a threat to Pakistan is ⬇️
The best interests for Pakistan would be a decentralized stable Afghanistan. A decentralized one with every province having autonomy and can deal with us independently. It would be a win win because Afghanistan is stable while we can have influence on border provinces to ensure we never face a two front war.
Also it’ll solve the ethnic tensions Afghanistan has as well if government is decentralized.
 
Why tf do people want to nuke the border?
Haha To them Nukes are magical bombs who can differentiate between friend and foe and have no radiation issues after the explosion.

ET reporting Pak drones targeted TTP in Afghanistan. Do we know which drone was it?
 
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Haha To them Nukes are magical bombs who can differentiate between friend and foe and have no radiation issues after the explosion.

ET reporting Pak drones targeted TTP in Afghanistan. Do we know which drone was it?
Link to the article?

Also could it be possible that Pakistan is devloping a very clean nuke? I was reading about the NASR missile and how they focused on minimising the radioactive fallout, whilst retaining ita explosive power.
 

PESHAWAR:
A Pakistani military drone successfully hit its targets during last week’s strikes — the first of its kind outside Pakistan.


The military drones targeted Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) hideouts in Khost and Kunar provinces of Afghanistan. The strikes, according to senior officials, were carried out following intelligence reports that TTP affiliates were present in the area.

Senior security officials refuted the claims that the strike was carried out by the Pakistan Air Forces (PAF) jets or claims that Pakistan violated the Afghan airspace. They said that TTP bases near the Afghan border were targeted, where Pakistani security forces had planned attacks last month.

According to the officials, the targeted areas were occupied by the TTP, which were no-go areas for the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan (IEA) itself, adding that the drone successfully hit targets and the TTP suffered heavy losses.

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“The area was cordoned off by the TTP in order to hide the killings of its commanders — even members of the IEA were not allowed,” an official said on the condition of anonymity. He, however, expressed the hope that more details would be shared in the next few days.

Security experts said that other countries’ concerns had been addressed by assuring them that the Afghan soil would never be used against any other country — Central Asian and specifically Russia.

“There were serious casualties last week and this is what was taken up with the IEA but they want us to engage with the TTP,” Brigadier (retd) Mehmood Shah said. However, he asked: “I seriously don’t know why would the IEA tell us to talk to the TTP. Who are they [TTP], we will talk to IEA, and not the TTP.”

The recent strikes, Shah believed, were in retaliation to a surge in terror attacks inside Pakistan. “Strikes are always prominent and I would suggest that others means [for the targets] should be used. The IEA should not be trusted anymore,” Shah told The Express Tribune.

Another senior official stated that the attacks against the Pakistan Army started when the TTP launched the Al-Badr offensive with the beginning of Ramazan—in Bajaur and North Waziristan.

“A military camp was attacked in Tank and an attempt was made to create a hostage situation,” the official said, adding: “Just yesterday, seven Pakistani soldiers were martyred in North Waziristan.”

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A day earlier, the official continued, a major and a soldier of the army were martyred and a missile was fired at a police mobile in Dera Ismail Khan. “In this situation, the Pakistani government decided to take action on the Afghan border and targeted the locations where key TTP commanders were present.”

The official also stated that the TTP settled its bases near the Afghan border, where even the Afghan authorities were unable to go. Therefore, he added, the Afghan government had repeatedly been urged to bring the TTP to the negotiating table or take action against them.

“We were compelled to take this step in self-defense,” the official said, reiterating that the drone strike was carried out from inside the Pakistani territory and that there was no violation of the Afghan airspace.
 

PESHAWAR:
A Pakistani military drone successfully hit its targets during last week’s strikes — the first of its kind outside Pakistan.


The military drones targeted Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) hideouts in Khost and Kunar provinces of Afghanistan. The strikes, according to senior officials, were carried out following intelligence reports that TTP affiliates were present in the area.

Senior security officials refuted the claims that the strike was carried out by the Pakistan Air Forces (PAF) jets or claims that Pakistan violated the Afghan airspace. They said that TTP bases near the Afghan border were targeted, where Pakistani security forces had planned attacks last month.

According to the officials, the targeted areas were occupied by the TTP, which were no-go areas for the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan (IEA) itself, adding that the drone successfully hit targets and the TTP suffered heavy losses.

Read:
The first eight months of the Taliban regime

“The area was cordoned off by the TTP in order to hide the killings of its commanders — even members of the IEA were not allowed,” an official said on the condition of anonymity. He, however, expressed the hope that more details would be shared in the next few days.

Security experts said that other countries’ concerns had been addressed by assuring them that the Afghan soil would never be used against any other country — Central Asian and specifically Russia.

“There were serious casualties last week and this is what was taken up with the IEA but they want us to engage with the TTP,” Brigadier (retd) Mehmood Shah said. However, he asked: “I seriously don’t know why would the IEA tell us to talk to the TTP. Who are they [TTP], we will talk to IEA, and not the TTP.”

The recent strikes, Shah believed, were in retaliation to a surge in terror attacks inside Pakistan. “Strikes are always prominent and I would suggest that others means [for the targets] should be used. The IEA should not be trusted anymore,” Shah told The Express Tribune.

Another senior official stated that the attacks against the Pakistan Army started when the TTP launched the Al-Badr offensive with the beginning of Ramazan—in Bajaur and North Waziristan.

“A military camp was attacked in Tank and an attempt was made to create a hostage situation,” the official said, adding: “Just yesterday, seven Pakistani soldiers were martyred in North Waziristan.”

Read More: Ex-FM questions ‘growing Shehbaz-Modi fondness’

A day earlier, the official continued, a major and a soldier of the army were martyred and a missile was fired at a police mobile in Dera Ismail Khan. “In this situation, the Pakistani government decided to take action on the Afghan border and targeted the locations where key TTP commanders were present.”

The official also stated that the TTP settled its bases near the Afghan border, where even the Afghan authorities were unable to go. Therefore, he added, the Afghan government had repeatedly been urged to bring the TTP to the negotiating table or take action against them.

“We were compelled to take this step in self-defense,” the official said, reiterating that the drone strike was carried out from inside the Pakistani territory and that there was no violation of the Afghan airspace.
Is this another strike where the 33 terrorists were killed or is it of the same one?

@PanzerKiel @Rafi
 
Also could it be possible that Pakistan is devloping a very clean nuke? I was reading about the NASR missile and how they focused on minimising the radioactive fallout, whilst retaining ita explosive power.
Come on man, even tactical nukes will ensure that most of areas adjoining af pak region would become a nuclear wasteland. Nukes are out of question.
 
Come on man, even tactical nukes will ensure that most of areas adjoining af pak region would become a nuclear wasteland. Nukes are out of question.
Oh i know nukes are out of the question, i think its stupid that people want to nuke the border.


I am just putting up food for thought
 
pakistan causalities can be reduced with extensive drone op and MRAPs

Worked really well for the US army, huh?

If the establishment has decided to continue with the US policy of drone diplomacy with Afghanistan, it will be a big mistake. Pak establishment will have to do something very different from US, in order to succeed in Afghanistan.

What 20 years of Pakistan establishment, and US deep state could not achieve in Afghanistan, Imran Khan's policy of direct talks succeeded in 2 years. Faiz Hameed was a big supporter of IK's policy, and proved to be pivotal in the whole operation.

I still believe that if a powerful civilian government leads systematic talks with Afghan leaders, TTP can be dissolves in a matter of months. We can give Afghanistan huge benefits, and use Chinese help to increase our soft power in Afghanistan. Pakistan's dream of regional connectivity requires Afghanistan is also on board. I can say with confidence that airstrikes will not inspire confidence in the Afghan people, who already hate Pakistan for supporting US.

The time for Pakistan to avail this opportunity is NOW. Because the current Afghan leadership is raised in Pakistan, and they still have a soft corner for Pakistan, and they are comparatively more educated. They know the benefits of regional connectivity and cooperation with Pakistan. Do we want to wait for their next generation to become leaders, who hate Pakistan's existence? What if a few years down the road, a populist Afghan leader rallies the people behind Afghan nationalism? How many airstrikes per day will Pakistan conduct then?

TTP must be dissolved through indirect confrontation, sanctions, and incentivization. All other methods have failed.
 
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Dont we know it. Unfortunately our protectors are too busy politicking

On the contrary, the KABULI regime represented a strategic threat to Pakistan, the Taliban degrades Afghanistan, if the fall of the kabuli regime costs us a limited amount of fall out and deaths per year we got a bargain whilst we destroyed the afghan state and 20 years of Indian plotting, planning and investment
 

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