Pakistan CANNOT "conquer Kashmir through war" : Hina Rabbani Khar

[kasper95]

Sir i report you r post ... freedom fighters occupy your posts and when IA started to bomb our posts we have to involve

the dead bodies of your soldiers were refused by Pakistan during kargil as freedom fighters.mushy after 10 years himself agreed those where Pakistani soldiers.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I agree with many points but to clarify - we don't need to "conquer" Kasmir. The people on both sides by and large either want merger with Oakistan or total independence. It's india that tried (and fails) to subjugate and demoralize Kashmiris then they wonder when the chickens come home to roost why they get attacked such as recently near Sri nagar. As for interests - as both the countries are not hidden enemies, they'll continue to undermine each others' interests in international forums, on the ground and elsewhere. Both countries have constituents and audiences and interests to address and look after.

What is a shame is a talented and well spoken young professional with Pakistans interest at heart - served under a pathetic political party like the PPP, the biggest disaster and a party of corrupt inept incompetents

Yes, but not freedom fighters; that was a lie by the Pakistan Army. They were serving personnel of the Northern Light Infantry.

Mujahideen forces not associated with NLI were also present. The latter was also not officially part of the army but at that time a second line force (along the line of FC, Rangers etc). For their valiant actions and tactical brilliance they were formally inducted as you may already know.

A lot of people in Kashmir and Pakistan view those who oppose the indian (draconian) presence in Kashmir see such fighters as freedom fighters it's no new phenomenon. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter - india knows well of this logic as it applied and/or applies the same WRT Tamil Tigers, BLA, Northern Alliance - to name a few

 

[ito]

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter - india knows well of this logic as it applied and/or applies the same WRT Tamil Tigers, BLA, Northern Alliance - to name a few

Yes, I agree . Dalai Lama is a terrorist for Chinese and freedom fighter for India. But there is a need for a consensus definition of the word 'terrorist', if for any two parties to solve issues/disputes between them because they are not on the same page regarding the basic premise of what constitute terrorism.

Unless Pakistan says what is happening in Kashmir is terrorism, there can never be fruitful talks between India and Pakistan.

 

[kasper95]

I agree with many points but to clarify - we don't need to "conquer" Kasmir. The people on both sides by and large either want merger with Oakistan or total independence. It's india that tried (and fails) to subjugate and demoralize Kashmiris then they wonder when the chickens come home to roost why they get attacked such as recently near Sri nagar. As for interests - as both the countries are not hidden enemies, they'll continue to undermine each others' interests in international forums, on the ground and elsewhere. Both countries have constituents and audiences and interests to address and look after.

What is a shame is a talented and well spoken young professional with Pakistans interest at heart - served under a pathetic political party like the PPP, the biggest disaster and a party of corrupt inept incompetents



Mujahideen forces not associated with NLI were also present. The latter was also not officially part of the army but at that time a second line force (along the line of FC, Rangers etc). For their valiant actions and tactical brilliance they were formally inducted as you may already know.

A lot of people in Kashmir and Pakistan view those who oppose the indian (draconian) presence in Kashmir see such fighters as freedom fighters it's no new phenomenon. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter - india knows well of this logic as it applied and/or applies the same WRT Tamil Tigers, BLA, Northern Alliance - to name a few

"There was a second line force, too,
which caught India by throat and that
was later given the status of army,"
this was said by mushy in an interview .he himself acknowledged regular army was occupying the hills.I quoted the above statement because you made it sound as if they where inducted because of their what ever. you can believe what ever you want ,the man who planned and executed kargil has himself agreed it was your army occupying the posts in kargil.

 

[Butchcassidy]

But in 1948 if I'm not wrong, we conquered some part of Kashmir now known as AJK.

U conquered more parts than u have now but were pushed back

 

[Finer]

CPEC,bro thats just a toll booth.
Now let me tell you few out of many reasons as to how Chinese choona lagakay gayah.
1)who needs the road connecting the port with china,the chinese for shorter distance and time.
Who spend the money chinese which companies work on the project,chinese,who will pay the money back,Pakistanies,who will stand garuntee,pakistan.
Bro if you want access a path through your friends place will you spend on the path or your friend will spend on the path,its commonsence.

We just happy for you guys regarding CPEC,i have no faith in a govt which cannt negotiate some simple fair agreement.good luck.

You need to be educated on CPEC and its impact to the world. CPEC project relies on ground route that is intended to Middle East through Iran, and Central Asia through Afghanistan, and the rest of Asia through China. There is the reason why China has invested massively on that project. That project is also threat to the competition project that relies on inexpensive sea route with lots of hassle to get through.

For Pakistan it is big deal. In small nation, Karachi economical port alone carried Pakistan alone and put Pakistan on the map in 60's becoming top Asian tiger in economy. Somewhere in the middle, Pakistan lost but just regained the control on the territory captured by the foreign-funded criminal group. With Karachi and Balochistan are regaining the stability, the value of CPEC will be more than your projected scenario.

As for the government, the government has been friendly, provided stability, brought billion-dollars, launched mission against terrorist outfits and eradicated terrorism on huge portion, and there is still more to do [Afghanistan]. In the short term the federal government had made massive improvement and it is just beginning. The international investors begs to differ as their faith on the federal government with business background have quadrupled and more are expected to join the list.

 

[T-Rex]

Hina Rabbani is a darling of the west and an ex-escort of Mr. Ten Percent. They raise and do everything to keep these 'darlings' in the corridors of powers in a country like Pakistan. Why they groom these dolls is clear from her apparently naive statement.

 

[Tamilnadu]

You need to be educated on CPEC and its impact to the world. CPEC project relies on ground route that is intended to Middle East through Iran, and Central Asia through Afghanistan, and the rest of Asia through China. There is the reason why China has invested massively on that project. That project is also threat to the competition project that relies on inexpensive sea route with lots of hassle to get through.

who will import and export their goods using these roads,ofc it will be china ,so who should have paid for the project,unless Pakistan is planning to generate more revenue than china using cpec. So should have paid for the project.

India too has asked for a transit via BD to transport the goods to some of the north east states of India,guess who funded the project.
Now imagine if BD had funded the project or we spend on the project and BD has to return that money with intrest to India,see the difference.

Hina Rabbani is a darling of the west and an ex-escort of Mr. Ten Percent. They raise and do everything to keep these 'darlings' in the corridors of powers in a country like Pakistan. Why they groom these dolls is clear from her apparently naive statement.

Calling a ex minister and that too a lady ,escort with out any proof just because she said something you dont wanna hear shows your maturity.

 

[Rajkumar]

"In 60 years, we have taught our children that our national identity is to hate someone, and we are doing it with those who are physically the nearest. Hostile with India and now hostile with Afghanistan," said the former foreign minister.

What nonsense !!! I m grown up in Pakistan and no one teaches me to hate Hindus/India or Christians.....I m confused.....It would have been better if she also have had defined the word "hate".......

are you kidding,

definition of muhib-ul-watani in pakistan starts with hatred for india, to be more precise directly proportional i might add.

 

[Perpendicular]

Only power in pakistan that can come to an agreement of some sort over kashmir is pak fouj. But they won't allow a civilian govt to proceed with the similar peace initiative with India. So only way, in near future, to come up with some possible solution is dealing directly with the army in pakistan. Now we need a coup to bring the army in power in pakistan.

Pepole here talking of dragging this status quo for decades if required. Agreed, might be good strategy by pakistan.

But a thing to analyze is that there is no status quo between both nations as such. Increasing gap in every field (except tactical nukes) which comes to imagination will be deterrence over India to agree on a solution which it might otherwise agree to today. Say let's wait for another 30 years for kashmiris to rise up, by then do you think India which will be one of the top four largest economies, one of the top three militaries, possible UNSC member will come to table over its "territorial integrity".

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

are you kidding,

definition of muhib-ul-watani in pakistan starts with hatred for india, to be more precise directly proportional i might add.

Like this one? Throwing stones while living in glass house?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...r-Giriraj-Singh-says/articleshow/33971544.cms

http://www.ndtv.com/bihar/nitish-ku...stan-bjp-leader-ashwani-kumar-choubey-1239944

 

[krash]

But at least they can destroy some of India and completely themselves....including Kashmir.........according to some PDF members!!

Some of India?

 

[Rajkumar]

Like this one? Throwing stones while living in glass house?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...r-Giriraj-Singh-says/articleshow/33971544.cms

http://www.ndtv.com/bihar/nitish-ku...stan-bjp-leader-ashwani-kumar-choubey-1239944

ahahaha,

I was expecting it. Actually i was myself about to post some youtube links but i did not. Let me go little philosophical to point out the difference in both situation.

The Pakistani nationalism comes from anti-india sentiment but vice versa in not true. It is embedded in psyche of Pakistani common masses through education and misconceptions while indian individuals anti-pakistan sentiment is driven by political gain or personal agenda. Indian nationalism does not need Pakistan to thrive among masses. Glorified history, pride of being cultural giant, wish to become dominant economic and military power are good enough to instigate nationalism in common men. Pakistan has very small role to the extent that it is seen as trouble maker and disturber of the peace.

 

[Jackdaws]

Pakistan is small. Two economical ports, one is CPEC being built, and other is fighting to get the control back, would suffice Pakistan whereas billion-population nation requires more, even with Mumbai GDP is not enough for India.

But that is not the discussion here. I am talking about bleeding Indian army to dry, even if it takes long. Pakistan can now afford to bleed Indian army to dry thank to CPEC, another is added to economical port.



I don't know. Time will tell. Indian plans regarding Pakistan is backfiring. CPEC is here to stay.



It is even more amazing to see Indians obsession with CPEC. I can understand for Pakistan but for India? The way you guys react as if CPEC had made India impotent. Never saw such craze obsession of Indians with CPEC. If anything, your post is indicator that you guys are hurt and insecure in regard to CPEC.

Who mentioned it first? Of course you will get a rebuttal if you make a point. That's how debates work. Hurt and insecure about an abstract notion? LOL. Whatever makes you feel secure these days.

 

[Finer]

Who mentioned it first? Of course you will get a rebuttal if you make a point. That's how debates work. Hurt and insecure about an abstract notion? LOL. Whatever makes you feel secure these days.

Didn't you? You are in this thread. What rebuttal would that be? So far i see, your point have been deflective. Talking about something else is irrelevant since my point was, and still is, that thank to CPEC, Pakistan can now afford to bleed Indian army to dry. You started the comparison analysis that was irrelevant to the point. It is that simple, and you guys cannot digest that, especially in Pakistan forum with your sarcasm tactics in place while your tone is indeed detected as insecure and hurt, which you already acknowledged with veiled hint [bold] unknowingly.

who will import and export their goods using these roads,ofc it will be china ,so who should have paid for the project,unless Pakistan is planning to generate more revenue than china using cpec. So should have paid for the project.

India too has asked for a transit via BD to transport the goods to some of the north east states of India,guess who funded the project.
Now imagine if BD had funded the project or we spend on the project and BD has to return that money with intrest to India,see the difference.


Calling a ex minister and that too a lady ,escort with out any proof just because she said something you dont wanna hear shows your maturity.

I take it you are doing deflective tactics on purpose or you have no clue at all? Your entire post shows you have no clue about CPEC at all. Good news is i already explained the purpose of CPEC that serves equally beneficial to Pakistan, and Middle East through Iran, and Central Asia through Afghanistan and the east side of Asia through China. Pakistan is not alone. If CPEC takes place, it will be for international market. Pakistan, China, Iran and Afghanistan will benefit equally if the mission expands which they will given the friendly relationship between Iran and Pakistan, and Afghanistan will do as order by its father, Pakistan. And for Bangladesh? China is taking care of it as we speak. Bangladesh may not be fond of Pakistan but they are fond of China and its billion-dollars mega projects.