Pakistan cannot compete with India,the whole world recognizes the strength of India's IT industry : Miftah Ismail

[tower9]

India is destined to become an economic giant and is moving in that direction, meanwhile Pakistan is going backward with terrible leadership. Also the Indian it industry is dominated by southerners while Pakistanis share more cultural overlap with northern Indians.

 

[Mugen]

Yes, Pakistan can't compete because idiots like you are in power, you swine.

 

[TNT]

Bangladesh aur sovereign...
Dude you should go back to UK. Pakistan can do without your brain.

U should laugh at urself, 75 saal se bewaqoof bana rahe hein. BD is way more sovereign than Pakistan.

Yeah that's what you types claimed about India as far back as 2000, only to bite your own words 23 years later. If you want to become like the world's second poorest country and world's most densely populated country, go live there by all means.

There are reasons why Bangladesh remained in the stone age while Pakistan become a nuclear power.

But at this population growth rate Pakistan will end up as another sh**thole like Bangladesh. No wonder people are leaving.



I don't care too much about IT contracts, although it would be beneficial if we did. But most importantly I just want prosperity and sustainability and there are numerous methods to achieve that.

I remember when India launched rockets into space, I argued Pakistan should not waste it's money & resources doing the same when we got so much poverty and internal problems.

The neo-liberal Muhajirs & Sindhis who keep exaggerating Pakistan's military spendings praised the Indian space program. They clearly got double standards. Although I doubt the military spending were as heavy as the Indian space program.

Nukes ka achaar dalein when their is 8 to 12 hours load shedding and that too in winter. Nukes ko chaatein jab dar dar bheek maang rahe hein? BD is way ahead of Pakistan, population can ne a strength if trained n educated. Stop living in 80s like those duffer brown uncles.

 

[Abid123]

You can't even compete with Bangladesh forget India idiots.

 

[TNT]

Right now given Pakistan's (mostly past) record on terrorism and closeness to China it is unlikely enough IT contracts will come from the West to Pakistan unless you are willing to undercut Indian rivals by 60, 70, 80%

The thing is, we do win contracts in competition. Pakistani IT workforce is cheaper than india and can gurantee quality, its the political stuff that hampers it. We have done foreign contracts but its the bigger ones that attract politics. There r still possibilities but the little possibility we have is f***** by stupid policies n corrupt ministries.

 

[SeaMermaid]

Pakistan hasn’t even attempted to actually compete. If the country properly restructured the way India did in the early 90s, then Pakistan can be judged on an equal field.

For example, how can Karachi be crippled, and be asked to compete with Mumbai. Karachi and the coast should be the location of a rebuilt industrial base for the country; utilizing its location between the GCC and India and China, to integrate into the supply China and utilize the shipping lanes. One industry, Petrochemicals and refineries, the way Singapore did would be a very useful industry for Karachi, especially if the TAP pipeline comes down to Karachi.

In the areas, with large populations, such as the major cities of Punjab, human capital development needs to be prioritized these cities are better suited to recruit the best talent for the IT industry, and R&D for the agricultural industry.

We don’t need to equal India’s exports, but we need to be a major player to maintain our influence. Our goal should be to reach at least equal GDP per capita. With our population set to reach 25% of India’s population in a generation or two, having a GDP 25% of India will allow us to spend enough to maintain our independence and prevent Indian hegemony. A strong economy can also allow us to make diplomatic moves, with other powers in the Indian Ocean, to contain India in certain ways if they try to express hegemonic designs. And before anyone says India won’t have Hegemonic designs or hasn’t gone to war outside their borders, they should study the Chola Indian empire in Southeast Asia.

Frankly, if we were competing we would look to really build solid economic interdependency with the GCC. One example, would be a 300 mile undersea electricity cable to sell (or buy) electricity between Pakistan and Oman and the rest of the GCC. This is similar to the proposed Australia-Singapore electricity cable and the already running electricity cable between Australia and Tasmania.

What ever we didn’t consume we could sell and if we needed electricity in a punch we could buy from the GCC countries. If we had the money, we could finance the rail links to Central Asia and make good on a desire to shift to geo-economics.

If we were really competitions we would make good on the state of the region, work in conjunction with the Saudis (GCC more broadly) and the Turks to reshape Central Asia as well as check if not contain Iran, as had been hoped after the fall of the Soviet Empire. If we were competing we would be finding ways to use that new situation to facilitate the trade and movement of goods, people’s, services, and information between our regional partners. If we were really competing we would have a 50 year plan to be a G8 country, the way JP Morgan projects is possible.

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If we were competing, all new areas of our cities would not be single family houses but 5 story building similar to what was envision (and not actually built) in Masdar city in the UAE. If we were competing our public transportation network would be cheap and affordable and ubiquitous. Our agricultural productivity would be high enough our food prices would be the lowest in the region, and our people’s cost of living would be lower than any nation in the region without subsidies, making our workers would enjoy a better standard of living even when paid lower the regional competitors, so as outcompete them for business and investment.

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Masdar City in Abu Dhabi is designed with energy, transit, human comfort, and sustainability in mind.

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If we were competing even common Indians and Indian businesses would hope our economy continues to grow so they would benefit from the lower costs to do business due to regional growth effect. If we were competing they would be striving to have good relations with us to have a chance to enter our market the way Japan tried to do business as China was rapidly growing over the last 40 years. Part of me is happy India is developing, as it raises the expectations we have for our government to keep pace, especially in human capital development. Our child mortality is horrendous and so many kids die needlessly, had we had a half way decent economy. As a father, that is a thought I remember most as I watch the economy sink even lower. If we were competing our government officials would be earning their Jannah hand over fist, as the lives they would be saving would be counted in the millions if not tens of millions.

If we actually got our act together we could think in visionary ways, and use the 30-50 year demographic dividend to become at least a middle income country, and be a good friend to have for our allies and a nation not to tread on lightly by those nations that have designs on our liberty.

We need to be the best we can, being a people changed, and with that attitude, Allah will give us what he has ordained for us.

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Btw, the world isn’t giving India the rosy colored glasses decades to grow its economy on the west’s dime and muscle them out of business opportunities the Chinese have been able to do. They are looking at India with the lessons of China in their mind. Don’t expect India to have the game growth China did.

Most of our growth will probably come from our region, and the Indians know this. We need to get our fundamentals right, and our economy is primed to take off, considering the low hanging fruits of our inefficiencies that can be solved by just bringing the lost modern equipment and the labor intensive industries form China that their demographics and the limits of automation will require them to shed. In return they will have a partner that won’t be as depended on extra-regional pressures.

At the same time if China can manage to keep foreign firms from leaving China and going to India in a large enough percentage, for just the next 20 years, they will have forced India to squander its demographic dividend

To paraphrase Donald Trump, if We are competing, “we are going to send killers to make our deals and not social workers.”

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That goldman sacks report makes no sense to me. How come Pakistan is not even in the top 15 in 2050 and magically becomes number 6 in 2075. What kindof future wizardry are they predicting in Pakistan will happen between 2050 and 2075?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

BD is way more sovereign than Pakistan

You can keep repeating that but it won't alter the fact that Bangladesh has become a client state of india unfortunately.

 

[TNT]

You can keep repeating that but it won't alter the fact that Bangladesh had become a client state of india unfortunately.

Id care for Pakistan firmly a slave of US and even sucking up to india. But hey if talking abt Bangladesh and living in delusion helps then enjoy.

 

[ThunderCat]

India is destined to become an economic giant and is moving in that direction, meanwhile Pakistan is going backward with terrible leadership. Also the Indian it industry is dominated by southerners while Pakistanis share more cultural overlap with northern Indians.

Living conditions should be top priority. And large economies are not always an example of that such as the case of India.

New Zealand is not an economic or political powerhouse but definitely my definition of a prosperous country, even if not perfect.

Like ecological growth, economic growth should endure slow growth & decline to maintain sustainability. No doubt India has made technological and financial gains but there are too many problems that have been left neglected.

I never said India does not have a overpopulation issue. at least they are trying to stand on their own feet

And my argument is not taking any IMF loans does not necessarily mean prosperity. India's economic growth has benefited only a handful of it's population. More than half a billion live in poverty. It takes a lot of resources and pollution to produce a large economy.

A large economy that either needs to slow down & decline in order to sustain or it will inflate badly. Not an example of prosperity.

 

[ThunderCat]

You can keep repeating that but it won't alter the fact that Bangladesh had become a client state of india unfortunately.

The Americans or anyone else have no need to influence Bangladesh. It is neither geographically nor politically an influential country.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Id care for Pakistan firmly a slave of US and even sucking up to india. But hey if talking abt Bangladesh and living in delusion helps then enjoy.

Lol you brought Bangladesh in the discussion not me.. as for being slave of US.. I remember very well some like u call pakistan slave of China . can't be slave of two arch rivals at the same time so first make up your mind. Btw US chian and Russia are global powers.. you can't fight them it doesn't mean you become their slave you have to just fight your case and balance.
As for sucking upto india..lol.. only in your dreams.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

The Americans or anyone else have no need to influence Bangladesh. It is neither geographically nor politically an influential country.

For india it matters
And for US it matters what geostrategically matters to India

 

[FuturePAF]

The question is: when, or if, it will reform? We have been waiting since forever

That is a decision the powers that be will have to make. Without reform, keeping up with India economically and militarily will become harder and harder.

 

[FuturePAF]

That goldman sacks report makes no sense to me. How come Pakistan is not even in the top 15 in 2050 and magically becomes number 6 in 2075. What kindof future wizardry are they predicting in Pakistan will happen between 2050 and 2075?

Demographics, others stagnate and decline, Pakistan continues to grow. Look at Japan’s GDP between 1980-1990. Look at India at the same time. Extend the two and you would think Japan would be a huge economy, but they stagnated and have been slowly declining each year. India reformed and grew nearly 800% in that time period. It not inconceivable India will eclipse Japan in 10 years.

Pakistan has resources but they are used in highly inefficient ways. It has labor around the world, that could bring their knowledge to Pakistan, and there are investors looking for stable year on year growth. By 2050, there will be few places with that potential still remaining. Pakistan is probably the only place outside of Nigeria and generally West Africa that probably has that potential post 2050.

 

[Erieye]

That is a decision the powers that be will have to make. Without reform, keeping up with India economically and militarily will become harder and harder.

Without reform, even keeping Pakistan will become more and more difficult. It will continue to deteriorate and fall behind with the rest of the world.