Pakistan boasted of nuclear strike on India within eight seconds

[illusion8]

I don't have time here to go into detail but I assure you there are various sources that paint Pakistani nuclear capability to be greater than is assumed. What your saying is [ which is possible ] that these sources are 'sexing up' the facts to raise fears about Jihadi factor.

Whilst that is possible but equally it is plausible that Pakistan nuclear capability is greater than is recognized. You or I are not in a position to make a absolute statement of fact. I don't have any insiders in the Strategic Plans Division, although it is possible you might.

Nobody said India would back off from a war if Pakistan initiated it. That was true in non nuclear South Asia as well as today. What I can say is India could crush Pakistan with it's conventional forces but if it ever happens there will be a nuclear riposte. Only than would we able to judge the potency of Pakistani nuclear capability from the the size and number of mushrooms in India.

I am pretty sure that India would have launched some type of limited attack on Pakistan after the Mumbai incident. India did nothing. In the Kargil war despite clear Pakistani provocation the war remained restricted to the LOC/Kargil sector. Back in 1965 when Pakistan attacked across the LOC in Jammu sector India launched an all out war along the entire international border.

No such thing happened in the Kargil provocation. You can find all sort reasons for this very 'restrained' behaviour by India but I know the nuclear factor is what capped everything. You are aware in 1998 India enjoyed massive conventional superiority, so what prevented India from launching two massive hammer blows.

One on the Lahore sector and another thrust towards Multan. 50 miles ingress and Pakistan would be finished. If India had done so in 1998 she woud have been morally justified. If Mexico attacked Texas with brigade sized formation what do you think US reaction would be. Or China for that matter?

We, Pakistan are a tiny mole compared to India. Despite this India postured, mobilized but then went silent. I say it was the Pakistani nuclear deterance that caused this. If you think differant fine.

And best of all every year the quantum and quality of Pakistani nuclear force goes up and up.

* I am rather miffed why you brought up North Korea, how is that relevant to this discussion?

** Peaceful Civilian why are you using 'Sir' in referance to Debashish? Can't you surmise from his post that he is only 10 years old, so address him accordingly.

There are lot things that come in the way of a country's decisions to retaliate against an aggression, It's a bit complicated and if I delve into that then the topic at hand will take a whole new direction - lets leave it here.
There is a point to ponder the points raised by the author referencing his dinner engagement.

1. The author says that the Pakistani 5 star General kept insisting on him to warn India that Pakistan will launch a Nuclear strike on India if it does not stop killing its own people portraying them as terrorists - thats a lameduck excuse to launch nukes at a nuclear power. Does that add up to Pakistans credibility as a nuke power? Britain feared that Pakistan will attack India with nukes for silly reasons and not a war between us.
2. The 8 second launch of nukes - meant to whitewash Pakistan's claim of dismantled nukes and stored safely in numerous locations.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

But there is one thing that nukes have done that India and Pakistan could not do for almost six decades: solve Kashmir. Both countries will think at least a hundred time before opting for the military option.

There is still a chance of limited Kargil style local/LOC Kashmir situations developing but yes broadly I would agree with your assessment. We in Pakistan have to make sure Zaid Hamid types don't end up in command of SPD. Another thing that scares me is we don't end up AQ types setting a Nuclear Bazaar.

I do think though that things have been tightened up inside Pakistan. The Strategic Plans Division was set up to address various flaws that existed in the system because it had evolved willy nilly over the decades since Bhutto had launched the nuclear project in early 1970s.

 

[jatt+gutts]

last time their general say we will have breakfast in delhi and dinner in culcutta. later on made a world record in surrendering. gedar bhamkiyo say sher nahin dartay.. if ever there is nuclear war between india pak then nuke makka madina too.

 

[Jade]

There is still a chance of limited Kargil style local/LOC Kashmir situations developing but yes broadly I would agree with your assessment. We in Pakistan have to make sure Zaid Hamid types don't end up in command of SPD. Another thing that scares me is we don't end up AQ types setting a Nuclear Bazaar.

I do think though that things have been tightened up inside Pakistan. The Strategic Plans Division was set up to address various flaws that existed in the system because it had evolved willy nilly over the decades since Bhutto had launched the nuclear project in early 1970s.

I have faith in democratic set-up. Democratic set-ups seldom throw up Zaid Hamid types. Cannot say if military takes over.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There are lot things that come in the way of a country's decisions to retaliate against an aggression, It's a bit complicated and if I delve into that then the topic at hand will take a whole new direction - lets leave it here.
There is a point to ponder the points raised by the author referencing his dinner engagement.

1. The author says that the Pakistani 5 star General kept insisting on him to warn India that Pakistan will launch a Nuclear strike on India if it does not stop killing its own people portraying them as terrorists - thats a lameduck excuse to launch nukes at a nuclear power. Does that add up to Pakistans credibility as a nuke power? Britain feared that Pakistan will attack India with nukes for silly reasons and not a war between us.
2. The 8 second launch of nukes - meant to whitewash Pakistan's claim of dismantled nukes and stored safely in numerous locations.

Are you taking into account the context of the General's statement? It was said with referance to the Indian Parliament attack and the Indian military buildup on the Pakistani border when almost a million men faced each other, eye ball to eye ball.

2001-2002 India-Pakistan standoff:-

2001

And please don't take every word as 'literal'. What the General was saying with his remark about 8 secs., was that we can carry out a nuclear attack in a very short time span. The intention would have been that the British would relay this message to india to dissuade from attacking Pakistan when things were on the knife edge.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I have faith in democratic set-up. Democratic set-ups seldom throw up Zaid Hamid types. Cannot say if military takes over.

Agreed. But what worries me is some closet Jihadi General gets command of SPD. Although I believe under Musharaf when the SPD was set up lot of the Jihadi types were weeded out. That said there is always a danger, minute but given the catastrophic results it is scary.

That is why I am strong advocate of a secular Pakistan and or if not that at least the military ought to re orientated to it's 1960s secular bearings and traditions. To get te ball rolling I think it would prudent to enforce a 'no beard' policy in the military. I know that seems somewhat base but I always find it disconcerting when I see a soldier and worse a officer with a full on sprouting Talib type beard.

The military ought issue free Gillete Blades and demand ..................

 

[AUz]

last time their general saywe will have breakfast in delhi and dinner in culcutta. later on made a world record in surrendering. gedar bhamkiyo say sher nahin dartay.. if ever there is nuclear war between india pak then nuke makka madina too.

Sher?

I don't know of any Pakistani general saying this on record..But I remember a bharti general claiming they'll have drink in Lahore Gym khana... and they ended up signing a "stalemate" with 10 times smaller country

You can't do jack against Western Pakistan... Your choozay (which u call shers) can only interfere in a CIVIL war in East Pakistan

And nuke Makkah and Medina ... and Islamic Civilization will erase Hindu/Sikh Civilization from the face of planet Earth ....

While Islam will still be there...all over the globe ..in overwhelming huge numbers.... but Hinduism and Sikhism will become extint and will become extinct and will not survive even in myths .....

Your call , my child.

 

[jatt+gutts]

Sher?

I don't know of any Pakistani general saying this on record..But I remember a bharti general claiming they'll have drink in Lahore Gym khana... and they ended up signing a "stalemate" with 10 times smaller country

You can't do jack against Western Pakistan... Your choozay (which u call shers) can only interfere in a CIVIL war in East Pakistan

And nuke Makkah and Medina ... and Islamic Civilization will erase Hindu/Sikh Civilization from the face of planet Earth ....

While Islam will still be there...all over the globe ..in overwhelming huge numbers.... but Hinduism and Sikhism will become extint and will become extinct and will not survive even in myths .....

Your call , my child.

lol your islamic civilisation apni addi toh leh k pichwaray takk da jor laah k v new york size day israel nu tah rokk nahin sakday. you are insignificant people. you can only talk in internet n in real world daily dronacharya visit your country. but you are besharam jitni marji bezati ho tumhari you keep finding something to amuse yourself.

does these pictures ring a bell in your head.

 

[Agni5000]

Sher?

I don't know of any Pakistani general saying this on record..But I remember a bharti general claiming they'll have drink in Lahore Gym khana... and they ended up signing a "stalemate" with 10 times smaller country

You can't do jack against Western Pakistan... Your choozay (which u call shers) can only interfere in a CIVIL war in East Pakistan

And nuke Makkah and Medina ... and Islamic Civilization will erase Hindu/Sikh Civilization from the face of planet Earth ....

While Islam will still be there...all over the globe ..in overwhelming huge numbers.... but Hinduism and Sikhism will become extint and will become extinct and will not survive even in myths .....

Your call , my child.

Look at this mogul king. how powerful

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Jatt+Gutts

I don't know if you know this but almost half of Pakistan is made up of 'your' Punjabi brothers of whom significant portion are Jats. Lahore as you might know is the centre of the erstwhile Punjab. Most of that army [ exception of Pashtun or Baloch ] that surrendered in East Bengal was Punjabi.

I think A.K Niazi was Pashtun but I know for a fact most of the Pakistan Army even today is recruited from Punjab, districts like Lahore, Faisalabad, Jhelum, Chakwal [ from whence Manmohan Singh originates ] and Hazara district from places like Hari-pur not far from the Sikh piligrimage site in Hasan Abdal.

I know people from environs of Lahore like Sheikhapur only 15 miles from Amritsar use words like 'Jamin' ............. Zamin???

 

[Jade]

Agreed. But what worries me is some closet Jihadi General gets command of SPD. Although I believe under Musharaf when the SPD was set up lot of the Jihadi types were weeded out. That said there is always a danger, minute but given the catastrophic results it is scary.

That is why I am strong advocate of a secular Pakistan and or if not that at least the military ought to re orientated to it's 1960s secular bearings and traditions. To get te ball rolling I think it would prudent to enforce a 'no beard' policy in the military. I know that seems somewhat base but I always find it disconcerting when I see a soldier and worse a officer with a full on sprouting Talib type beard.

The military ought issue free Gillete Blades and demand ..................

Is not it true with Pakistan that there are a multiple hierarchical control centres that exert power over nuclear forces?

 

[Rig Vedic]

You guys are being taken for a ride, the world is painting you as an existential threat, take note of the author there - doesn't it look as if its a build up to portraying Pakistan as a unstable nuclear armed country - with the threat of its nukes falling into Jihadi hands.

It is not that Pakistanis are being taken for a ride, it is an accurate description of reality.

Large sections of Pakistani establishment are afflicted with virulent Islamism.

I think it is healthy that senior Pakistan generals make frequent blood-curdling statements of this nature, so that the rest of the world does not become complacent, and is forced to take all necessary steps.

 

[illusion8]

It is not that Pakistanis are being taken for a ride, it is an accurate description of reality.

Large sections of Pakistani establishment are afflicted with virulent Islamism.

I think it is healthy that senior Pakistan generals make frequent blood-curdling statements of this nature, so that the rest of the world does not become complacent, and is forced to take all necessary steps.

LOL That's another way of looking at it.

 

[The SC]

Pakistan boasted of nuclear strike on India within eight seconds

To put it in the correct context, that is IF India thinks or intends to take the Pakistani nuclear assets out.

 

[Rig Vedic]

To put it in the correct context, that is IF India thinks or intends to take the Pakistani nuclear assets out.

Pakistan's goal is to protect non-state assets against retaliation for terrorist attacks.