Pakistan blocks NATO supplies

[Kambojaric]

The blockade needs to be kept for as long as it takes NATO to understand that other countries are just that, countries, not vassals, who will do their dirty job for them whilst they take all the praise.

 

[Vassnti]

In Afghanistan there should be "POLICE" from muslims country also India and there work must be only to be police unntil there is election and afghanistan has there own police force....

Im sure the yanks would gladly pack up tomorrow if some one would provide 100,000 muslim police to patrol all of Afghanistan only question is who is going to provide them last i heard Turkey was the only Muslim country trying to help?

 

[DV RULES]

This thread is intended to share ideas for maintaining a PERMANENT civilian blockade of NATO supply routes through Pakistan.

It is not intended to debate the blockade itself -- if you disagree with the blockade, please avoid this thread.

We know that the politicians will reopen the routes once the heat is off; already they are backtracking from earlier claims of a 'permanent' blockade to a '10 day' blockade now. The military will also be under pressure to deescalate the situation. Therefore, it is up to civilians to enforce a permanent blockade.

Some suggestions:
- Green ribbon campaign to raise awareness and funds (PTI, college campuses).
- Set up a fund to support volunteers (expats can help).
- 24/7 webcam at each crossing site (Pakistani web server).
- Enlist national media to promote and monitor the blockade.
- Celebrity endorsements for the campaign.

Failed ideas, nothing going to happened like that. Permanent blockade for discussion seems interesting but when a cargo company whose source of income only from NATO supply or Afghan routs cut off for several days then how it will effect on those and their families? is there left only one way to record protest? Why in every case our people should suffer because of incompetent strategic plannings and political reactions? Why people should pay for that? why not army or politicians.

Yes, if something happened with army soldiers then why they drag public into this scenario and why they don't carry action without making public a well scapegoat?

 

[VelocuR]

 

[Developereo]

Failed ideas, nothing going to happened like that. Permanent blockade for discussion seems interesting but when a cargo company whose source of income only from NATO supply or Afghan routs cut off for several days then how it will effect on those and their families? is there left only one way to record protest? Why in every case our people should suffer because of incompetent strategic plannings and political reactions? Why people should pay for that? why not army or politicians.

Yes, if something happened with army soldiers then why they drag public into this scenario and why they don't carry action without making public a well scapegoat?

I am sure a lot of people and their families can make a lot of money by working as spies for India, US or Israel. The politicians taking bribes are also doing it 'for their families'. Should we just let people do any kind of business even if it runs against the country's national interests?

NATO supplies should be blocked PERMANENTLY. Anyone who was profiting from this line of business needs to find some other work.

 

[Developereo]

Im sure the yanks would gladly pack up tomorrow if some one would provide 100,000 muslim police to patrol all of Afghanistan only question is who is going to provide them last i heard Turkey was the only Muslim country trying to help?

Pakistan has influence with the Pakhtuns, Iran has influence with the Tajiks, Hazaras and other ethnicities. A Pak-Iran alliance can guarantee Afghan stability much better than all the NATO forces.

 

[Omar1984]

U.S. should be the sad horse. U.S. needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs U.S.

The day Pakistan stops cooperating with U.S. on this war OF terror is the day Pakistanis will celebrating everywhere in the world

 

[VelocuR]

U.S. should be the sad horse. U.S. needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs U.S.

The day Pakistan stops cooperating with U.S. on this war OF terror is the day Pakistanis will celebrating everywhere in the world

I agree with you, this cartoon is not accurate correct. Vague.

 

[DV RULES]

I am sure a lot of people and their families can make a lot of money by working as spies for India, US or Israel. The politicians taking bribes are also doing it 'for their families'. Should we just let people do any kind of business even if it runs against the country's national interests?

NATO supplies should be blocked PERMANENTLY. Anyone who was profiting from this line of business needs to find some other work.

dude. worthless & disappointed comments, didn't expect from your side. Just look over Russia-US & Russia-EU relations, they have also so much conflicting issues but their business never come into influence of those issues because they want people to work, in any worst scenario they have alternatives they can offer but in overall they don't want to damage business of people.

You have any alternative plan to suggest people what they should do? in case of blockade?

 

[DV RULES]

Idea To use public on front in failure of planning or games used often in history, Hitler. Stalin are worst kind of examples of last century so did our army and politicians.

We all discussed in this forum how to separate army affairs from public but why not we should think that in critical conditions they should deal with their own provided sources, get support from nation but don't involve completely in their matters. War is totally different scenario so need not to drag here but is it good idea to involve whole nation and their economics because of a mishap?

We have strong army..yes now why not this strong army deal and retaliate by own? after all it's their duty so do duty.

 

[Mani2020]

U.S. should be the sad horse. U.S. needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs U.S.

The day Pakistan stops cooperating with U.S. on this war OF terror is the day Pakistanis will celebrating everywhere in the world

To add one more thing

And the Pakistani leaders need US more than Pakistan, The day US will stop supporting these leaders will be the dooms day for them and a new dawn for politics in Pakistan

 

[Devil Soul]

Forces may feel fuel pinch even after supply resumes
By Zafar Bhutta
Published: December 8, 2011
As Afghan-bound Nato oil trucks while away, the government is mulling imposing a permanent ban on export of locally-produced petroleum products, except jet fuel.
Export of jet fuel, however, will be allowed if Nato agrees to pay all applicable duties to Pakistan.
The country has been exporting petroleum products to Nato forces in Afghanistan, exempted of all duties including the general sales tax (GST) and petroleum levy, since 2002. The supplies were made through the US Defence Energy Supply Company.
The petroleum ministry has moved a summary to the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the Cabinet, scheduled to meet on Friday, seeking a permanent ban on export of locally-produced fuels including petrol and diesel, sources told The Express Tribune.
The ministry has also proposed that export of other locally-produced products be allowed if Nato forces pay complete duties applicable in Pakistan. Sources said that the commerce ministry and the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) had also supported the ban because petroleum products were being dumped in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.
Surplus jet fuel
Secretary Petroleum Ijaz Chaudhry confirmed that the summary has been moved, citing the shortage of petroleum products in the country.
“However, we have proposed that there should be no exemption of duties on export of [jet fuel] JP-1 and JP-8,” sources said.
Since Afghan-bound cargo uses Pakistan’s infrastructure, Nato should pay duties, sources said, adding that the country had surplus stock of jet fuel and therefore resumption of its export was being proposed.
Exporting to local Afghans
Meanwhile exporters have approached the petroleum ministry, asking for the ban to be lifted.
Claiming they bring foreign exchange into the country, suppliers say export of locally-produced petroleum products to Afghan consumers, not Nato forces, should be allowed.
“The ministry of petroleum has asked oil exporters to work out the economics of exporting to local consumers in Afghanistan,” sources said.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 8th, 2011.

 

[Developereo]

dude. worthless & disappointed comments, didn't expect from your side. Just look over Russia-US & Russia-EU relations, they have also so much conflicting issues but their business never come into influence of those issues because they want people to work, in any worst scenario they have alternatives they can offer but in overall they don't want to damage business of people.

I am pretty sure Russia (or any country) would hang spies or anyone working for a foreign government against Russia's national interests. NATO supply routes are against Pakistan's national interests. If some people are addicted to this money, then it's their problem.

You have any alternative plan to suggest people what they should do? in case of blockade?

What do criminals do when their line of work doesn't pay any more? Find some other line of work. National security can never be compromised because some cheap sellouts will do anything for money. These people would sell their grandmother if the price was right.

They are called traitors.

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Idea To use public on front in failure of planning or games used often in history, Hitler. Stalin are worst kind of examples of last century so did our army and politicians.

We all discussed in this forum how to separate army affairs from public but why not we should think that in critical conditions they should deal with their own provided sources, get support from nation but don't involve completely in their matters. War is totally different scenario so need not to drag here but is it good idea to involve whole nation and their economics because of a mishap?

You've got it backwards. * It's not the army pushing the people for a NATO boycott. *It's the people pushing the army and government for a boycott.

We have strong army..yes now why not this strong army deal and retaliate by own? after all it's their duty so do duty.

The army will do its part for the country, the people must do theirs. No army on earth can stand up to American military might in a direct fight. Let's keep a sense of reality.

 

[Jango]

dude. worthless & disappointed comments, didn't expect from your side. Just look over Russia-US & Russia-EU relations, they have also so much conflicting issues but their business never come into influence of those issues because they want people to work, in any worst scenario they have alternatives they can offer but in overall they don't want to damage business of people.

You have any alternative plan to suggest people what they should do? in case of blockade?

The bilateral relations, trade and sharing should go on. But it should be on basis of mutual respect, not one way traffic like a slave-master relationship.

NATO supplies were not trade by the way.

 

[Developereo]

The bilateral relations, trade and sharing should go on. But it should be on basis of mutual respect, not one way traffic like a slave-master relationship.

NATO supplies were not trade by the way.

Exactly. The blockade is a purely anti-war stance.

There are lots of people in NATO countries also who want the troops home. Pakistani public is showing solidarity with the people of NATO and saying, "NATO, go home to your families; they want you back".