Pakistan Behind May Attack on Indian Consulate in Herat, says Afghan Minister

[Abingdonboy]

Likewise, When Pakistan give such statements India and Afghanistan are involved in FATA and Balochistan insurgencies, we become conspiracy theorists or nut jobs. But once it comes to US and Indians or afghanistani statements, Everyone believer it as it is some kind of a gospel truth?

If LeT was involved, on what basis they are claiming this, Intercepts of Pakistani Security apparatus discussing attacks and claiming they did it? , Has afghanistan india or America revealed their handlers no,

Not a single shred of evidence which we can cling to but All we can do is to base our claims on such statements? Desperate much eh ?

Come on now, if it was India and Afghanistan alone then I'd agree, to an extent, that we didn't have any reliable evidence to go on but this is the US State department making such statements. Are you going to refute their ability to be objective and fair in this? What bias do they have in this situation?

Now you're not going to play the typical Indian/RAW/US/CIA/Israel/Mossad/Zionist conspiracy theory nonsense are you?

 

[janon]

You broke our Eastern wing the same way and have done exactly that too since.

Get off your moral high ground, you have none.

Do we have terroist training camps in Indian Kashmir, from which we periodically push militants into Pak? Do we train terrorists to sail into Karachi and shoot men, women and children in railway stations and hotels? Do you think you can see sights like this in India? :

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Afghans , why i am not Surprised ?

Afghanistan's Karzai slams U.S., Pakistan in farewell speech | Daily Mail Online

their last corrupt president even blamed Americans as well the ones who put him in power and fed him for over a decade
he has a habit of biting the hand that feeds him
Pakistan fed this scoundrel and his family for years as well until he became a president

regardless of the worthless rants of soon to be deposed Northern alliance scum regime in Kabul
if these reports are true then its great news, Indians should get the taste of their own medicine for instigating and funding terrorism in Pakistan and Karachi via their conciliates and cultural centers in Afghanistan. they did the same thing during the insurgency in East Pakistan and they have been at it for decades in Afghanistan.

 

[janon]

Likewise, When Pakistan give such statements India and Afghanistan are involved in FATA and Balochistan insurgencies, we become conspiracy theorists or nut jobs. But once it comes to US and Indians or afghanistani statements, Everyone believer it as it is some kind of a gospel truth?

Did you notice the word "credible" in my initial post that you replied to?

 

[Bratva]

Come on now, if it was India and Afghanistan alone then I'd agree, to an extent, that we didn't have any reliable evidence to go on but this is the US State department making such statements. Are you going to refute their ability to be objective and fair in this? What bias do they have in this situation?

Now you're not going to play the typical Indian/RAW/US/CIA/Israel/Mossad/Zionist conspiracy theory nonsense are you?

Are you seriously asking this question? With all the haqqani and taliban negotiations America wanted directly wi but Pakistan refused until it be made a part of such negotiations.

They have every objective to be bias to hit back to Pakistan refusal to toe their line

 

[Abingdonboy]

Are you seriously asking this question? With all the haqqani and taliban negotiations America wanted directly wi but Pakistan refused until it be made a part of such negotiations.

They have every objective to be bias to hit back to Pakistan refusal to toe their line

How is that linked to this? You're clutching at straws......

 

[Bratva]

Did you notice the word "credible" in my initial post that you replied to?

Credible evidences are shared openly with everyone while Smoking guns are suppressed or used for Propaganda purposes.

How is that linked to this? You're clutching at straws......

Haqqani son was arrested in Bahrain Last week, The same son they have been trying to catch for last 6-7 years. They accused Pakistan for fiddling with Haqqani and Taliban while at same time american negotiated with both of them, even give them the space to live in Qatar.

Meanwhile America wanted Pakistan to Suppress military prowess of Both group ignoring our Ground realities.

So When America doesn't get what it wants, what do they do then ?

If I'm clutching at straws so do Afghanistan and America.

Just as my statements are not gospel truth, so does American and Afghani statements as well.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Credible evidences are shared openly with everyone while Smoking guns are suppressed or used for Propaganda purposes.



Haqqani son was arrested in Bahrain Last week, The same sone they have been trying to catch for last 6-7 years. They accused Pakistan for fiddling with Haqqani and Taliban while at same time american negotiated with both of them, even give them the space to live in Qatar.

Meanwhile America wanted Pakistan to Suppress military prowess of Both group ignoring while ignoring our Ground realities.

So When America doesn't get what it wants, what do they do then ?

If I'm clutching at straws so do Afghanistan and America.

Just as my statements are not gospel truth, so does American and Afghani statements as well.

You're claiming to know more than the US state department and Afghan President on the matter now? Just because you don't want to believe your nation is involved doesn't mean your immediate reaction should be an irrefutable "no", you should be open to the alternatives.

Blind faith in your state has surely let you down again and again.

 

[Bratva]

You're claiming to know more than the US state department and Afghan President on the matter now? Just because you don't want to believe your nation is involved doesn't mean your immediate reaction should be an irrefutable "no", you should be open to the alternatives.

Blind faith in your state has surely let you down again and again.

So If US and Afghan knows more than me, why are they hesitating to put forth the credible evidence they gathered which prove their hypothesis ?

Statements are made to add pressure, Just like so called classified evidences about IRAQ WMD were falsified on basis of which they invaded Iraq

Yes there are alternatives. Punjabi taliban are the most probable group behind this, they are made up of ex Kashmiri mujahideen group, They have support on both side of borders, they have camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan both. They have every reason to go after Indian consulate another possibility is AQIS elements, before AQIS formation, they might have been attached to some group right? They could have done this attack

 

[Abingdonboy]

So If US and Afghan no more than me, why are they hesitating to put forth the credible evidence they gathered which prove their hypothesis ?

More then likely the disclosure of such information would hurt the ability of their security apparatus.

Yes there are alternatives. Punjabi taliban are the most probable group behind this, they are made up of ex Kashmiri mujahideen group, They have support on both side of borders, they have camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan both. They have every reason to go after Indian consulate.

Well this is an nice convenient alternative for you but no suggestion has been made that this is remotely the case and I'd rather take the word of officials with actual information and evidence informing their statements then someone who is sticking their head in the sand and presenting hypothetical situations for the sake of it.

 

[Bratva]

More then likely the disclosure of such information would hurt the ability of their security apparatus.


Well this is an nice convenient alternative for you but no suggestion has been made that this is remotely the case and I'd rather take the word of officials with actual information and evidence informing their statements then someone who is sticking their head in the sand and presenting hypothetical situations for the sake of it.

Actual information and evidence what ? have you seen with your own eyes that you are 100 percent of the veracity and actual information of evidence ?

I would not even start with the credibility of Afghani Intelligence. They claimed they arrested Haqqani son in afghanistan without any help, turns out he was caught by americans in Bahrain. They are in bed with TTP. They are supporting Insurgency in Balochistan, so afghani credibility is nill for us.

And what american credibility remains after invading Iraq on lies and Supplying weapons to same ISIS that they are killing right now ?

Pardon me, but the credibility of said States making outrageous claim are not taken seriously by Us anymore. unless backed up with actual information and evidence.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Pardon me, but the credibility of said States making Outrageous claim are not taken seriously by Us anymore. Unless backed up with actual information and evidence.

Fair enough, that is your position and you won't entertain anything to contradict this, there's no point in having any more "discussion" on the matter now is there?

You continue you adhering to this stick you head in the sand/the world is against us mindset whilst the rest of the world are aware exactly what happened.

 

[Bratva]

More then likely the disclosure of such information would hurt the ability of their security apparatus.


Well this is an nice convenient alternative for you but no suggestion has been made that this is remotely the case and I'd rather take the word of officials with actual information and evidence informing their statements then someone who is sticking their head in the sand and presenting hypothetical situations for the sake of it.

But disclosures that Pakistan is behind this, has already alerted Pakistan and we have killed all the assets involved in this OP and given the compartmentalization in such ops, they have identified the leak and they plugged it in. With such a hypothesis The very statement would have hurted the ability of security apparatus why they make it then in Media ?

 

[rockstar08]

Afghanistan's Karzai slams U.S., Pakistan in farewell speech | Daily Mail Online

their last corrupt president even blamed Americans as well the ones who put him in power and fed him for over a decade
he has a habit of biting the hand that feeds him
Pakistan fed this scoundrel and his family for years as well until he became a president

regardless of the worthless rants of soon to be deposed Northern alliance scum regime in Kabul
if these reports are true then its great news, Indians should get the taste of their own medicine for instigating and funding terrorism in Pakistan and Karachi via their conciliates and cultural centers in Afghanistan. they did the same thing during the insurgency in East Pakistan and they have been at it for decades in Afghanistan.

i agree with your points .. and karzai is just trying to save his a$$, because he know sooner or later the fate of Afghnistan will be in hands of ISI and Afghan Talibans, and than he will be hunt ... so he just be ending up in New Delhi ..

 

[Bratva]

Fair enough, that is your position and you won't entertain anything to contradict this, there's no point in having any more "discussion" on the matter now is there?

You continue you adhering to this stick you head in the sand/the world is against us mindset whilst the rest of the world are aware exactly what happened.

If rest of world is aware, the case would have gone in to UNO, ICJ, Attacking consulates, embassies of other countries have serious repercussions. If there was an ounce of truth in such statements ,, India and afghanistan would have recalled their ambassador from Pakistan.

Any of above happened?

I'm just stating facts. It's just you who are debating emotionally by showing me rhetorics, emotional outbursts of Afghani's and American's. That's not how you prove someone guilty