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Pakistan Beats India, BRICs in Market Returns

So you think you can throw technical terms around and fool people Mr. Haq?

Your first point valuation, lets see the risk adjusted returns or at least the discount rates you applied for you claims that KSE's basic valuation is better than BSE. Of course you know what that is right....since it is not possible to calculate valuation without it.

Second point, Consistency of returns requires Standard Deviation and
Variance values, since you claim so loudly about it, lets see the numbers these are based on, I am sure you have a very nice excel sheet ffilled with this data.

Or do you just 'look' :-)lol:) at charts and say.... oh this is better.

No more words required for the Pakistani brothers to go back to the boards and do a detailed eval on how they came up with that conclusion "Pakistan beats India"
 
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Karachi shares market significantly outperformed Mumbai in the last ten years. But this fact is not enough to get any positive attention from Fareed Zakaria, India's best-known cheerleader in the West.

As expected, Fareed Zakaria's discussion of "The Rise of the Rest" sings praises of the BRIC nations, particularly mentioning his native India in the most glowing terms. There is nothing wrong with that, except that Zakaria omits any positive mention of India's neighbor Pakistan in the context of economic performance in the decade of 1999-2009, and chooses to strike familiar themes of "Islamic jihadists" and "terrorism" when he does make any references to Pakistan.

What Zakaria has omitted is the story of the extraordinary returns Pakistan has produced for investors. Pakistan's key share index KSE-100 was just over 1000 points at the end of 1999, and it closed at over 9727.40 on Dec 31, 2009. During the same period, Mumbai Sensex index moved from just over 5000 points to close at 17,464.81. If you had invested $100 in KSE-100 stocks on Dec. 31, 1999, you'd have over $900 today, while $100 invested in the Mumbai's Sensex stocks would be worth $274. Investment of $100 in emerging-market stocks in general on Dec. 31, 1999, would get you about $262 today, while $100 invested in the S&P500 would be worth $91.

Haq's Musings: Karachi Tops Mumbai in Stock Performance

Haq's Musings: India and Pakistan Contrasted in 2010

the I in BRICS stand for India..in case you dont know
 
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Ok lets get some facts straight here.

KSE gets better returns.....so....do you know the reason for it?


Risk-Return Tradeoff Definition

The basis of finance is the fact that returns have to commensurate with the risks associated with it. Due to the highly volatile nature of KSE and the country risk associated with it, it has to return higher profit. This implies the fact that there is more chance of getting your money lost in KSE so it has to generate extra returns.


Risk Definition

Talking about returns alone is fundamentally flawed, the returns have to be standardized by the amount of risk(volatility) they carry. So the fact that KSE is generating more returns is totally in line with the fact that it carries a much higher risk of investing. You can invest in KSE and may get extra return and eat well, but then you cant sleep well for fear of losing your money...




Now what all the education above means is, you have to know the fundamentals of Finance if you go about trying to compare returns from different countries.
Comparing India and Pakistan stock exchanges is apples and oranges, one is a stable high growth economy, one is daily riddled by bomb blasts and ruled by inept people with daily threats of bankruptcy, where would you want to invest in if you want to sleep at night?


Nice. This one is a Shalwar tearing post! :)

But why is the thread continuing from last year suddenly moving again? And more importantly why would such a pedestrian understanding of the thread opener be allowed to misguid members on this forum? I know that he tried the other day his own idea of the GDP growth due to growing adverse exchange. A kind of logic that would eventually prove that Zimbawe is the richest nation in the world!
 
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Nice. This one is a Shalwar tearing post! :)

But why is the thread continuing from last year suddenly moving again? And more importantly why would such a pedestrian understanding of the thread opener be allowed to misguid members on this forum? I know that he tried the other day his own idea of the GDP growth due to growing adverse exchange. A kind of logic that would eventually prove that Zimbawe is the richest nation in the world!

good one mate :rofl:
 
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nice wayz to make one blog popular. Now here we have a böök writer and 1 blog writer who bake as well eat their own cake ;)
 
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Back Ground of the Problem:
The ideal stock exchange basically functions as a secondary market and supportsthe performance of primary markets. It also encourages investment in stock tradingby maintaining rules and regulations for investors’ protection that ensures trade willbe fair and investors will receiveexactly what they are paying for. The exchangealso supports state-of-the-art-technology and the business of brokering, which helpstraders in buying and selling their securities quickly and efficiently. The ideal stockexchange, thus, intends to perform the following functions for the economy:Raises capital for businesses: It helps in raising capital for running and expanding business by selling shares tothe investing public. Thus, the proper functioning of the stock exchange is integralto progression of productive business activities.Mobilizes savings for investment:It helps utilize resources by providing opportunities to investors of each level andmakes them invest their savings rather than keeping them in their bank accounts.This mobilization of resources promotes business activities and benefits differenteconomic sectors like textile, agriculture etc. Thus, economic growth is facilitated.Creates investment opportunities for small investors: For Pakistan, participation of small investors in investment activities is extremelyimportant since the sum of these small investments makes up a good percentage of total investment in the country. Thus, the stock exchange provides a platform forsmall investors too to play a role in the economy’s development.Government capital-raising for development projects:Governments can raise money for development projects by issuing bonds in thestock exchange like other companies. Thus, the stock exchange becomes animportant variable in the function of government expenditures for the developmentof the country.
Empirically, the performance of stock markets have been shown to positivelycorrelate with economic growth even after controlling for other factors associatedwith long-run economic growth such as initial conditions, size of government,inflation etc. Thus, for developing countries, the performance of the stock market isa vital indicator of the state of economic growth in the country. The ideal stockexchange’s performance enriches the confidence of domestic and foreign investorsdue to better economic growth, which then results in facilitating it even more asoverall investment increases due to higher confidence. This, as the reader will havefigured out from the above statement, results in a cycle of sustained economicgrowth as long as the stock market operates ideally.Lastly, an ideal stock exchange takes full advantage of the globalized state of theworld. Links among financial markets have enlarged and giant internationalfinancial players are showing their presence all over the world. This has resulted inthe importing of stock exchange activities abroad and now many international firmscross-list on international exchanges. The ideal stock exchange then makes use of state-of-the-art-technology to facilitate international trading of securities andincrease the confidence of foreign participators. The stock exchange, thus, becomesa platform for domestic investors to tap into larger economies too.Problem:A high degree of volatility and uncertainty presest at Karachi Stock Exchange ishampering the Stock market to perform its functions. It is a well known fact thatstock exchanges all around the world are prone to the problem of market volatility.However, excessive volatility not only hinders the basic motive of investors, but alsoleads them to face severe market crisis such as the imposition of the floor.Unfortunately, Karachi Stock Exchange is the most speculative market in the worldwhen measured in terms of daily trading volume. This extreme volatility has led tothe drop in stock market such as in May 2008 by 19.78 percent which is the ‘worst’percentage loss for a single month since May 2000 when it dropped by 19.17percent. Moreover, when compared on global scale, Index volatility around activeglobal exchanges averages around 15 to 25% p.a. while comparative volatility forKarachi Stock Exchange is approximately 200 to 300% of global average in 2004and 2005. The massive volatile situation is possible due to the concentration of
trading by brokers in only a few stocks such as PPL, PSO, MCB, NBP and POL whichlimits the prospects of the exchange to grow on sound footings
. Moreover thefluctuations in the prices of commodities in international market like oil, Politicalinstability in Pakistan and lack of derivative instruments for hedging are alsoconsidered as causes of market volatility.Because of such a high volatility of kse the market is losing confidence of investors,and kse is unable to perform its very functions for which it is created.FRAME WORK
Literature Review:1.Drimbetas, Evangelos, Sariannidis, Nikolaos and Porfiris,Nicos(2007) 'The effect of derivatives trading on volatility of the underlying asset: evidence from the Greek stock market', Applied Financial Economics, 17: 2, 139 — 148The study focuses on how the introduction of derivatives in the marketdecreases the volatility of the spot market. Derivatives giveinformation about the spot prices and moreover act as a hedginginstrument thus decreasing the speculative business. The articlesfocuses on empirical evidence from Greek stock market and usingdifferent statistical techniques show how volatility in the marketdecreases after the introduction of derivative instruments.2. Mustafa, Khalid. Testing of efficiency in emerging markets:a case study of karachi stock market.The article investigates the efficiency of Karachi stock exchange usingdifferent statistical techniques. This study has empirically investigated theefficiency of the Karachi stock market. The random walk hypothesis wastested on daily, weekly and monthly data from December 1991 to May 2003with three non-over-lapping periods and one combined period. The empiricalresults indicated that the Karachi stock market was inefficient in all threetypes of data. This implies that the Karachi stock market did not follow therandom walk model. This lack of efficiency in the market is the prime causeof volatility since it implies that market prices does not represent the truepresent information and therefore much fluctuations can be expected infutute.
3.Uppal, Jamshed Y., and Inayat U. Mangla. "RegulatoryResponse to Market Volatility and Manipulation: A CaseStudy of Mumbai and Karachi Stock Exchanges." The LahoreJournal of Economics (2006). Print.The study explains volatility in KSE and tries to compare it with India. Thestudy is very useful in understanding the causes of volatility in KSE and roleof Policy makers in this regard. The study focuses on how Indian becomesuccessful in curbing increase volatility in the stock exchange while PakistaniPolicy makers are unable to do so. The study also highlights that a strongercompetitive environment in India is very helpful for them to curb thevolatility and to control the increasing the increasing volatility. While inPakistan lack of competition in case of KSE is hampering the way forward forcurbing Volatility.4. S. Sergi, Bruno, Masood, Omar (2008),’ How political risksand events have influenced Pakistan's stock markets from1947 to the present’ International Journal of Economic Policyin Emerging Economies, Volume 1,pg427-444The study highlights the role of political instability on the stock market of Pakistan. The articles comes to conclusion the political instability is the muchembedded in the business of Pakistan that it carries a risk premium of 7.5%to 12%. The article also claims that such type of political instability willremain unchanged in the coming periods.5. Roe, Mark J. and Siegel, Jordan I., Political Instability: ItsEffects on Financial Development, Its Roots in the Severityof Economic Inequality (July 24, 2009). Available at SSRN:Page Cannot be Found article focuses on how political instability impedes financial growth andresult in poor performance of the financial institutions. The study shows that
since 1960s when the data is properly gathered and recorded there exist avery important relationship between political instability and financialbackwardness.Definitions of the Terms:Volatility A statistical measure of the dispersion of returns fora given security or market index. Volatility can eitherbe measured by using the standard deviation orvariance between returns from that same security ormarket index. Commonly, the higher the volatility,the riskier the security.Efficient Market Efficient market is one where the market price isan unbiased estimate of the true value of theinvestment. Market efficiency does not require thatthe market price be equal to true value at everypoint in time. All it requires is that errors in themarket price be unbiased, i.e., that prices can begreater than or less than true value, as long as thesedeviations are random
Derivatives A financialinstrument whose characteristics and value dependupon the characteristics and value of an underlinginstrument, typically a commodity, bond, equity orcurrency. Examples of derivativesinclude futures and options.Stock Broker A stock broker or stockbroker is a regulatedprofessional broker who buys and sells shares andother securities through market makers or AgencyOnly Firms on behalf of investors Political Instability:
Stock market reflects the political stability of the country. It is evident thatduring incidents of emergency, assassination of Bhutto and judgesreinstatement issue the marked depicted a sudden downturn, while anypositive news has positive impact on the market like re-election of PresidentMusharraf, lifting of emergency, transparent election of 08 etc.The effect of political situation may cause the index to go up or it may causethe index to go down. Since political situation in Pakistan is very lesspredictable therefore the KSE index shows continuous ups and downs from2007 to 2008. These continuous ups and downs result in the increasevolatility of the KSE.PPl, MCB, NBP, and POL stocks as market movers:The KSE 100 index is moved by very few stocks which are traded in bigvolumes in the marked. Therefore if anything goes wrong with these stocksthe whole index goes down. We in our analysis tries to explain the that theperformance of KSE index is basically indicated by four stocks PPL, MCB,
NBP, POL. The KSE 100 index is regressed on these stock in order tounderstand is there any relation between these stocks and Index andmoreover are these stocks control the performance of index.Regression of KSE on PPL:Source | SS df MS Number of obs = 6-------------+------------------------------ F( 1, 4) = 58.34Model | .537275573 1 .537275573 Prob > F = 0.0016Residual | .036835564 4 .009208891 R-squared = 0.9358-------------+------------------------------ Adj R-squared = 0.9198Total | .574111138 5 .114822228 Root MSE = .09596------------------------------------------------------------------------------lkse | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval]-------------+----------------------------------------------------------------lppl | 1.015731 .1329793 7.64 0.002 .6465216 1.384941_cons | 3.736436 .7000249 5.34 0.006 1.792855 5.680016The results show that if there is beta is 1.015 showing that if there is onepercent change in the stock price of PPL then the KSE index will move onepercent. This is very important relationship because it shows that bothstocks move in almost identical direction. Moreover since R- squared is alsovery high number it means that much of the change in KSE index isexplained by PPL stock. Now in order to test significance of beta one can seethat beta lies between the confidence interval of Beta. Therefore the PPLstock price and KSE 100 index are very much related.
The above graph shows the percentage change in PPL on x-axis andpercentage change in KSE 100 index on y-axis. As the percentage change inPPL increase the percentage change in KSE also increases.Regression KSE on MCB:Source | SS df MS Number of obs = 10-------------+------------------------------ F( 1, 8) = 78.27Model | 6.22899993 1 6.22899993 Prob > F = 0.0000Residual | .636704279 8 .079588035 R-squared = 0.9073-------------+------------------------------ Adj R-squared = 0.8957Total | 6.86570421 9 .762856023 Root MSE = .28211------------------------------------------------------------------------------lkse | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval]-------------+----------------------------------------------------------------lmcb | .7927614 .0896102 8.85 0.000 .58612 .9994028_cons | 5.015169 .4003516 12.53 0.000 4.091956 5.938381In this case our Beta comes out to be .79. this means that if there is onepercentage change in the price of MCB there is .79 percentage change in theprice of KSE 100 index. Moreover in order to check the significance of Betawe can see that Beta lies between 95 % confidence interval.The graph above also shows that how as the percentage change in PPLprices on x-axis change correspondingly the KSE index on Y-axis alsochanges in the same direction.
Regression KSE on PSO:The regression of KSE 100 index on PSO is done then . Following results of our regression came out.Source | SS df MS Number of obs = 10-------------+------------------------------ F( 1, 8) = 45.61Model | 5.84110009 1 5.84110009 Prob > F = 0.0001Residual | 1.02460412 8 .128075515 R-squared = 0.8508-------------+------------------------------ Adj R-squared = 0.8321Total | 6.86570421 9 .762856023 Root MSE = .35788------------------------------------------------------------------------------lkse | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval]-------------+----------------------------------------------------------------lpso | 1.916013 .2837162 6.75 0.000 1.261762 2.570264_cons | -2.085763 1.566846 -1.33 0.220 -5.698916 1.52739Again a very high value of Beta came out that shows one percent change inprices of PSO stock result in 1.9 percent change in KSE stock. Moreover ourbeta is also within 95% confidence interval.The high Value of R-square shows that much of changes in percentagechange in KSE is depicted by PSO, which means that PSO is very importantstock of KSE 100 index and it is strong enough to move the direction of whole index.Also looking at the graph of percentage change in KSE and PSO it is clearthat both moves in the same direction. When PSO stock price goes up, KSEindex also goes up.
Regression KSE on NBP:Then KSE is regressed on NBP in order to show how NBP is important toestimate the KSE index.Source | SS df MS Number of obs = 8-------------+------------------------------ F( 1, 6) = 47.53Model | 2.67814222 1 2.67814222 Prob > F = 0.0005Residual | .338042635 6 .056340439 R-squared = 0.8879-------------+------------------------------ Adj R-squared = 0.8692Total | 3.01618486 7 .430883551 Root MSE = .23736------------------------------------------------------------------------------lkse | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval]-------------+----------------------------------------------------------------lnbp | .713353 .103466 6.89 0.000 .4601807 .9665252_cons | 5.609799 .466985 12.01 0.000 4.467128 6.75247Again the beta came out to be .7133 showing that one percent change inprice of MCB results in .713 percent change in the price of KSE 100 index.Again the R-square came out to be very high showing that much of thedeviation in the KSE index is explained by MCB stock.The graph shows that as the percentage change in MCB stock change theKSE index changes simultaneously.Role of Brokers:
“Brokers mostly act as principals and not as intermediaries (this has led to)...extremely high turnover ... extensive speculation ... (and) ...very little genuineinvestment activity, (with) hardly any capital raised .....To restore investor confidence: (i) stock exchange management should be freed from broker influence .... and (ii) government must support and be visibly seen to be supportingthe SECP's reform agenda.” 1The brokers in the Karachi Stock Exchange mostly traded as principals rather thanintermediaries. They trade between clients of same brokers or collude with otherbrokers to manipulate the market. The March 2005 crisis resulted from brokerstrading between themselves to first increase the level of index so that outsideinvestors could be attracted to the market and then they exited the market leavingoutside investors to trade themselves. The graph below mentions the tradingbetween 8 brokers who trade between themselves to manipulate the market.Further on, the ways brokers manipulate has been highlighted in more detail.1 Khawaja, Azim A., and Atif Mian. "Unchecked intermediaries: Price manipulation in an emerging stock marketstar, open."Journal of Financial Economics. Science Direct, 2005. Web.
Broker A: Moosani Securities; Broker B: Akeel Karim Dhedhi Securities; Broker C: Worldwide Securities; Broker D:A.H.K.D Securities; Broker E: Mr. Munir Ahmed Khanani; Broker F: Motiwala Securities; Broker G: Mr. MuhammadAnas Kapadia.Arif Habib is big broker at KSE, here we want to see the profits of Arif Habibas the deviation of the KSE 100 index. Since standard deviation of KSE indexis good indicator of market volatility we want to see is there any relation withthe profits of brokers and market volatility.The above graph depicts that the movement of standard deviation of KSEindex which is an indicator of Volatility and resulting change in Profit of Oneof very important securities firm Arif Habib.During the crash of 2005 and high volatility during this year the profit of Arif habib securities firm show a continuous increase. This shows the conflict of interest between principal and agent. Since securities firm act as agent whileinvestors act as principal, during 2005 of increase volatility many investorslost a lot money but the agent (Arif Habib) still keep on making money duringthese years. The calculations of the above graph is attached in appendix.Lack of Derivatives:Derivatives are very important instruments for a market.Pakistan’s financialmarket has never been very efficient and lack of information regarding stock priceshas been at root of many problems in the past. Research on Greek stock marketfurnishes evidence that the introduction of derivatives induces a reduction involatility of the index and increases its efficiency by facilitating informationgeneration and evaluation. A study conducted by Fazal Husain and Tariq Mehmoodnotes that Pakistan Stock Market can not be declared as leading indicator of economic activity , therefore, derivative market in Pakistan has lot to add to theinformation and assessment of the market.
Above graph shows four year daily volatility profile of KSE 100 index. The graphshows high degree of volatility in 2002 and in 2005. Such a high degree of volatilitywill lead to manipulation of market and losses for real investors. One of the primereasons of such a high volatility is lack of hedging opportunities available inPakistani exchanges. With introduction of wider range of derivative marketproducts, reinforced with strong investment banking mechanism, investors will bebetter able to mange their risk by hedging, thus ensure a more stable financialmarket.International commodities price:In order to understand the impact of various regional and international factors likeincrease in the prices in the oil market we regress the percentage change in theKSE on the Bombay stock market.Source | SS df MS Number of obs = 10-------------+------------------------------ F( 1, 8) = 22.78Model | 5.08121123 1 5.08121123 Prob > F = 0.0014
Residual | 1.78449298 8 .223061622 R-squared = 0.7401-------------+------------------------------ Adj R-squared = 0.7076Total | 6.86570421 9 .762856023 Root MSE = .47229------------------------------------------------------------------------------lkse | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval]-------------+----------------------------------------------------------------lindia | 1.20955 .2534268 4.77 0.001 .6251465 1.793953_cons | -2.203676 2.240916 -0.98 0.354 -7.371237 2.963885Since beta lies between 95% confidence interval this means that it is significant,now interpreting the results of our regression we can say that one percent changein Indian stock market results in 1.2 percentage change in KSE. But R-square is notlarge enough which shows that there are some other factors which are not includedin the model that explains the percentage change in KSE. But this is clear that thereis significant amount of change in KSE that explained by some external factors thateffect both BSE and KSE.The graph shows the movement of KSE and BSE. Both stock exchange show somesimilarity in their movement because of external factors.Conclusion:There is very high volatility of KSE and different factors that causes thisvolatility is explained. KSE index depends a lot on very few stocks andtherefore the sudden movements in prices of these stocks results in highvolatility. Moreover Political instability, lack of derivatives instrument, conflictof interest between broker and investor and International factors all result inhigh volatility of index.
AppendixFig 1.Date PPl MCB PSO NBPJuly,2000 28.1 173July,2001 21 124.1July,2002 24.05 138.5 21.25

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I think above will give you better understanding about Karachi stock exchange - it is not beating any market

1. it is highly volailtile due to very few stocks and it not a mature stock exchange
 
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^^^^ Nice. And if someone would like then the regressive Betas of RIL and the Sensex showed very similar cor-relations indices during the good old Harshad Mehta days! That lead to SEBI having teeth and RBI cracking the whip, not to mention the Badla bye bye. Laws had to be strengthened. Too bad it ceased the fun. But at least then the retail investor got better protection and less risk of a wipe out.

Further the invoking of floor on the KSE as many as 3 times in the last decade give a better insight in to the intra family trading exchange.
 
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^^ Btw a lot of mexican and south american (like Peru) exchanges also beat china and india in stock market returns over last 10 years. I wonder how much of his own money is invested there or even in Pakistan ;)
 
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As the emotional responses from many Indian members pour in to this board, the reality on the ground is continuing to trump them; While KSE is continuing to rise, BSE is continuing to plummet.

The Bombay Stock Exchange Sensitive Index, or Sensex, slid 0.3 percent to 18,507.04 at the 3:30 p.m. close in Mumbai. The gauge has fallen 9.8 percent this year, the second-worst performer among key indexes in the world's 10 biggest markets, as the central bank raised rates to cool inflation. Companies on the Sensex trade at 14.9 times estimated earnings, compared with 10.9 for the MSCI Emerging Markets Index.

Indian Stocks Fall for Second Day; Automakers, Larsen Lead Drop

The Karachi Stock Exchange's (KSE) benchmark 100-share index ended 0.65 percent, or 79.19 points, higher at 12,234.52.

KSE-100 index gains 79.19 points
 
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Palestinian stock market shrugs off blues

Jun 17, 2011

As other bourses in the region scrambled to adjust to a season of political turmoil, the Palestine Stock Exchange remained relatively stable.

"We take revolution in our stride," said Ahmad Aweidah, the exchange's chief executive, on a visit to Abu Dhabi this week.

With the stock market having absorbed the shocks of countless protests and various uprisings, the exchange has emerged as one of the best-performing markets in the Middle East and North Africa.

At one point this year it was the only market in the region closing on a rise. Shares on the exchange rose 1.4 per cent to the end of April from the start of the year during some of the most intense protests of the so-called Arab Spring. Only Iraq's index, with a market capitalisation of US$4 billion (Dh14.69bn), beat that performance by climbing 27 per cent in the first quarter

Mr Aweidah said investors should expect continued stability. "It will take something extreme to really affect the exchange, either a peace resolution or outright war."

Elsewhere losses have mounted. Egypt's benchmark index, the EGX 30, has shed 20 per cent of its value after the revolution that toppled Hosni Mubarak from the presidency.

Bahrain's market has lost 6 per cent so far this year.

The Palestine Stock Exchange is small, but it has seen a regular stream of initial public offerings, creating liquidity at a time when it is lacking in most other bourses.

Mr Aweidah is also eyeing selling shares of the bourse, making it the second in the Arab world to be publicly traded, alongside the Dubai Financial Market.

Global fund managers have largely avoided the Palestinian exchange because it is not tracked by major indexes.

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It beats pakistan KSE as well. We should line up and invest in palestine.

There is similarity between pakistan and pakistan economy. AID is vital parts.
 
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^^ Btw a lot of mexican and south american (like Peru) exchanges also beat china and india in stock market returns over last 10 years. I wonder how much of his own money is invested there or even in Pakistan ;)

Yes, but I am restricting my analysis to Goldman Sachs' top 15 emerging nations, BRICS+Next 11, which include both India and Pakistan.

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Haq's Musings: India and Pakistan Contrasted in 2010
 
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I like how Riaz keeps going and pretty much ignores all the bharati personal attacks towards him, which are like 90% of the replies that bharatis make. Must piss the bharatis off big time.
 
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I like how Riaz keeps going and pretty much ignores all the bharati personal attacks towards him, which are like 90% of the replies that bharatis make. Must piss the bharatis off big time.

Hey, I just started learning arabic and realized Pakistan is called Bakistan in that language.. I hope there are no objections if I use that term henceforth as a mark of my learning new culture and languages.. Just like use of word Bharati ??


btw, Riaz opened 2 similar threads.. Most of the nonsense (though there are some good parts) has been debunked here..

http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...rachi-stock-exchange-perform-well-2011-a.html

also the similar debunking (is that a word) was done last year too but looks like its an annual ritual with this dude..
 
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Riaz Haq relies on his own blog to make his point. We would like to some independant source. Please no more Haq's musings !
 
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