Pakistan-Bangladesh relations thaw

[Old School]

Zia was famous for his anti-Indian stance. He initiated a new military relationship with China. He sent a Military Attache to the BD Embassy in Peking that outraged India. BD-China relationship started at that point. Indian conspiracy caused General Ershad to organize the Presiden's killing and taking over the power.
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Did you mean the 'First secratary' ? His father was a very good friend of China.

 

[bluesky]

Did you mean the 'First secratary' ? His father was a very good friend of China.

No, positions of 1st, 2nd or 3rd Secretary are always there in any Embassy and are held by the foreign ministry people. President Ziaur Rahman created a new post of Military Attache to the BD embassy in Beijing. The appointee was a military officer in BD and was deputed there.

This post is important for a defense relationship with China. A novice civilian cannot just act in such a position because he/she is ignorant in the matters of military wares. BD has today a military relationship with China that was initiated by President Zia.

 

[mb444]

BD PK relationship has not really been anything other than fairly good since around 75.

Sure for internal BD political reason PK receives bad mouthing but it does not really matter where it counts.

But on a serious note what will a close BD PK relation really achieve? We can not have a strategic relation being so far apart. Economically PK does not offer much.

As two sovereign fraternal states we should be friendly.

BD future lies solely on standing by itself. It has no true friends in the region, but thats ok. We are a huge nation of 165m. We are impregnible and we just need to stay the course, be confident and be a beacon of light in a sea of darkness.

 

[bluesky]

With the two countries' history intertwined for a thousand years and situated very conveniently at the two far flangs of our common enemy India, Bangladesh and Pakistan can become the natural strategic partner with each other. A strong Pakistan today is needed for the defense of BD.

Two countries united in its common mission can divide the enemy's strategic energy into two and keep both us safe. The larger enemy would be unable to withstand two fronts simultaneously. So、Bangladesh and Pakistan should forge ties to play mutually beneficial roles.

 

[VikingRaider]

Awami League has a strong Muslim League DNA as it was originally called Awami Muslim League prior to their name change. I still regard late Mujibur Rehman as pro Pakistani who was helpless against pro Moscow-Indian elements in his party and of course, the biggest traitor Bhutto. Now that BD Army is the dominant player in BD decision making process, GHQ in Pindi has finally found a good working partner. Hasina as a power hungry person is unlikely to stands in the way of PAK-BD alliance as long as it keeps her in power. We better focus on closer partnerships with BD Army who haven't made a Hindu General since CR Dutta ( guy who banned beef at BDR in his brief tenor as DG) even though they had a Christian one who already retired.

@Old School,
Your analysis is partly correct imo. However I could be wrong though as you sound like a real Player , so you could be much more correct than me or others who only depend upon analysis . However I always appreciate your stance on bangabandhu sheikh Mujib. He was never pro Indian contrary to popular belief.

However if Hasina is India sided ( not pro India though) , it's only because she got shelter from India when her family was brutally murdered.

So she mistakenly believe or used to believe that India is her friend.

But I hope she started to realized it long ago that India is not her friend.

I am not sure if Hasina will ever know about raw conspiracy of this region or not ( if we believe in deep state she may never be informed by them about the secrete), but probably she is patriotic lady who love to consider herself as a pious Muslim and actually she is.

However I had been trying to make @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan understand the reality of Mujib and his Muslim league heritage many times. But it looks he is too much emotional ( in good sense of course for ummah. However I could be wrong though as only he knows his mindset better than me or any others) to accept it only because it doesn't meet his criteria. He want open fight I suppose, but today's wars are fought in different style unlike medieval age.

I hope Allah will reveal more secrete soon so that people like him ( with strong Islamic brotherhood emotion) will understand the real strategy.

what are the indian Muslims going to do about it?

If Indian Muslims had to do something, they would have done it in 1947. But they choose to stay in India. Result is Muslim nations got less land with less people. However now they are under threat of Modi govt. We only can pray for them and nothing else I think, atleast for now.

BD future lies solely on standing by itself. It has no true friends in the region, but thats ok. We are a huge nation of 165m. We are impregnible and we just need to stay the course, be confident and be a beacon of light in a sea of darkness.

Right. Unfortunately geographical position of Bangladesh is not in our favor ( although it is convenient position for some cases but mostly its not) , we don't have any land border with any Muslim countries and that's a major draw back for us.

Even if we had land border with China, still I would say that's not the realistic solution as we are isolated from Muslim belt. As a nation of 165 millions with 90% Muslim population it's truly disappointment.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Pakistan has always been friendly and approachable and has made many overtures to Bdesh.

Its Bdesh that has always maintained a hostile attitude. Guess that's the price for selling their security and economic prosperity to India since 1971. At least when we had East Pakistan Indians had a headache on their eastern border, now it's just a pawn of India.

Pakistan made a mistake by openly condemning the trial of razakars in Bangladesh. What Bangladesh does to it's own citizen should not have concerned Pakistan. That condemnation and Parliamentary resolution condemning the decision of trial process in Bangladesh give a very bad taste to Bangladeshi govt. and people. It clearly shows that, Pakistani establishment still does not fill guilty about it's action in 1971, rather condone those who committed atrocity upon common people of Bangladesh. If you can not show remorse of your wrong action then at least keep quiet. For the bad relation between the two countries, Pakistan is equally responsible.

Remember, Sheikh Hasina visited Pakistan in 1998 when she was PM in first term. Even after 2009, when she returned to power, did not show any hostility towards Pakistan either in words or deed. It is only after Pakistan decided to interfere in Bangladesh's internal affairs, that she and her govt. became hostile. You need to understand, 1971 genocide is an emotional issue for all the Bangladeshi. As a decent human being, you should not show any disrespect to that. If you can become that mature, then Bangladesh-Pakistan relation will flourish over times.

 

[Old School]

@Old School,

Even if we had land border with China, still I would say that's not the realistic solution as we are isolated from Muslim belt. As a nation of 165 millions with 90% Muslim population it's truly disappointment.

The BD-Burma border is the de facto BD-China border. Burma plays a very special role for Chinese geo-strategy which is not well understood by many. Many civilian people in BD mistakenly see Burma as an isolated military opposition based on false premises. The Tatmadaw will instantly become Chinese PLA in a real international conflict except in sabre rattling situations.
On a different note, not sharing borders with other Muslim countries can be a blessing in disguise if you look at similar borders in other regions. Islamic borders are inherently bloody due to perpetual infighting.

BD history in popular circulation is heavily based on Indo-Soviet narratives. A lot people are unaware of this fact. Let the truth flourish.

 

[VikingRaider]

The BD-Burma border is the de facto BD-China border. Burma plays a very special role for Chinese geo-strategy which is not well understood by many. Many civilian people in BD mistakenly see Burma as an isolated military opposition based on false premises. T

Well so just a question, Pakistan has extremely good relationship with China. Bangladesh also have very good relationship with China. Miyanmer pushed Rohyngyas and Chinese stand is always favor Miyanmer.

So does that mean that China actually want Rohyngyas stay in Bangladesh? Just curious. Chinese stance on Rohyngyas are too much disturbing. So if Miyanmer military is expansion of Chinese, so is China ( no offense to Chinese people as its only a discussion) the real Player on Rohyngya issue?

 

[Old School]

Well so just a question, Pakistan has extremely good relationship with China. Bangladesh also have very good relationship with China. Miyanmer pushed Rohyngyas and Chinese stand is always favor Miyanmer.

So does that meat that China actually want Rohyngyas stay in Bangladesh? Just curious. Chinese stance on Rohyngyas are too much disturbing. So if Miyanmer military is expansion of Chinese, so is China ( no offense to Chinese people as its only a discussion) the real Player on Rohyngya issue?

Rohynga crisis is an artificial construct designed by NATO in it's long standing contain China policy. There are two major NATO key players here have been working. Turkey and pro West faction of Burmese establishment. The West officially always condemns the military but refrains from sanctioning their political head Aung San Suu Kyi. BD was smart enough not to sponsor Rohynga insurgency as it happens with NATO manufactured refugee crisis elsewhere.

There are also rising investments from the West, Israel and Turkey in Myanmar specifically, in the agriculture sector where Myanmar enjoys tariff free access to the West including the US. Emptied Rohynga lands are to be used of course.

China is simply defending her strategic southern border which is on the edge of going into the hand of NATO. A massive high intensity conflict in Arakan will almost certainly warrant international military intervention as it happened elsewhere. China doesn't want NATO troops in it's border like it happened in Korea. Encirclement of Russia and China remains at the center of NATO military doctrine.

 

[Bilal9]

Rohynga crisis is an artificial construct designed by NATO in it's long standing contain China policy. There are two major NATO key players here have been working. Turkey and pro West faction of Burmese establishment. The West officially always condemns the military but refrains from sanctioning their political head Aung San Suu Kyi. BD was smart enough not to sponsor Rohynga insurgency as it happens with NATO manufactured refugee crisis elsewhere.

There are also rising investments from the West, Israel and Turkey in Myanmar specifically, in the agriculture sector where Myanmar enjoys tariff free access to the West including the US. Emptied Rohynga lands are to be used of course.

China is simply defending her strategic southern border which is on the edge of going into the hand of NATO. A massive high intensity conflict in Arakan will almost certainly warrant international military intervention as it happened elsewhere. China doesn't want NATO troops in it's border like it happened in Korea. Encirclement of Russia and China remains at the center of NATO military doctrine.

So essentially what you are proposing is that China needs a compliant buffer zone in the Western border and Myanmar fills that requirement nicely.

 

[Old School]

So essentially what you are proposing is that China needs a compliant buffer zone in the Western border and Myanmar fills that requirement nicely.

Not just a buffer but with access to the high seas. Burma is the only remaining land which fulfills both criteria. Burma is also the only way BD can connect to the strategic Chinese supply chain. A hostile relationship with Burma is not going to help BD.

On a side note, BD should be very greatful to Burma (and China) for not sponsoring various BD leftist groups who often go to Yangoon for military assistance. If they did, all the economic work of BD would evaporate in a matter of months. Even late MN Larma could not get the assistance which he sought. Imagine if the BD leftists had received MANPAD, RPG and mortars from Burma ! Therefore, both China and Burma expect reciprocity from BD by not falling into the trap of NATO.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Relations between Pakistan and Bangladesh can improve if Pakistan apologies for the 1971 atrocities at demanded by Imran Khan https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/imran-demands-apology-from-pakistan-to-bangladesh.99857/

 

[TopCat]

Any new terrorist activities linking Pakistan will be a not starter. Lets keep our finger crossed.

Not just a buffer but with access to the high seas. Burma is the only remaining land which fulfills both criteria. Burma is also the only way BD can connect to the strategic Chinese supply chain. A hostile relationship with Burma is not going to help BD.

On a side note, BD should be very greatful to Burma (and China) for not sponsoring various BD leftist groups who often go to Yangoon for military assistance. If they did, all the economic work of BD would evaporate in a matter of months. Even late MN Larma could not get the assistance which he sought. Imagine if the BD leftists had received MANPAD, RPG and mortars from Burma ! Therefore, both China and Burma expect reciprocity from BD by not falling into the trap of NATO.

You have no clue about BD leftist. The despise Burma more than the right wings.

 

[Old School]

You have no clue about BD leftist. The despise Burma more than the right wings.

Who are those leftists in BD which despise Burma ? The 'harmonium' parties who often form human chains with no more than 10 people in front of the press club ?

 

[adelphi]

Kid, did I not tell you to stick to cartoons and leave adult topics alone?

BD is behaving like an E Asian country rather than a typical S Asian country.

That is no surprise as it is unitary like them.

BD is doing and will do things that Pakistan and India cannot even dream to do.

Now it must be bedtime for you.

BD can act as whatever it likes except taking Indian line and maligning Pakistan. We have moved on from 71 events and BD needs to do the same. Pakistan has provided humanitarian assistance to Bangladesh many times since 1971 in crisis and that was not done to annoy or please anyone. The route to Pakistan heart doesn't include a stopover in Delhi and Bangladesh is fully aware of it.