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Pakistan as a solution to the Chinese demographic problem

"Experts" in Pakistan are anyway almost always in search of charity.
You are not wrong about our so called experts but in this case it is not just limited to us.

Our dear neighbours from the east are flooding the world and are proud of it. Heck even their govt is negotiating FTA's with other countries with a condition of Indian labour export. Another South Asian role model country is also sending tons of labour force. Vietnamese are all over the place asking to be accepted as labour force. Heck, even till this day there are millions upon millions of Chinese still living in foreign countries and refusing to back to their homeland. Same homeland where once their Mao jokingly offered 10 million Chinese women to Americans for population increase which Americans obviously rejected. We are not only ones.
 
You are not wrong about our so called experts but in this case it is not just limited to us.

Our dear neighbours from the east are flooding the world and are proud of it. Heck even their govt is negotiating FTA's with other countries with a condition of Indian labour export. Another South Asian role model country is also sending tons of labour force. Vietnamese are all over the place asking to be accepted as labour force. Heck, even till this day there are millions upon millions of Chinese still living in foreign countries and refusing to back to their homeland. Same homeland where once their Mao jokingly offered 10 million Chinese women to Americans for population increase which Americans obviously rejected. We are not only ones.
The miracle of modern western lifestyle is, it kills population growth. Whichever country will adopt it, will extinction in longer run.
 
I heard from a family member that they used to have a Pakistani guy in a teaching assistant position but later had to let him go because he "insist on offering prayers at busy working hour" 😂

so for a unified homogeneous nation as China, never expect its working places to be culturally or religiously tolerant, that's the sad reality.
 
China's current problem for this decade is not Population but rising minimum wages due to which smaller industries are gonna find diffuculties. Solution is to either bring foriegn contract workers or to relocate smaller industries to other countries. I suggest the latter.

Population issue will come from middle of next decade but it can be avoided if Chinese started having more kids either voluntrarily or forcefully like previous oppressive one child policy. But unlike last time when Chinese were allowed to have no more than one child for 38 years, this time Chinese will be forced to have 2/3 children. Only time will tell what happens.
Read my next comment.
You try very hard. But I think its clear the Chinese don't want to import pakistanis into their country. Reasons that lie in the sub-text of most respondents here include "Terrorism", "Muslim" and finally good old "Racism".

They are okay with you shilling for them -- but from a distance please :)
 
You try very hard. But I think its clear the Chinese don't want to import pakistanis into their country. Reasons that lie in the sub-text of most respondents here include "Terrorism", "Muslim" and finally good old "Racism".

They are okay with you shilling for them -- but from a distance please :)
My answer is in the same comment which you quoted in which I said China should relocate the smaller industries to other countries. Same answer which I gave on the first page too in my first comment.

As for shilling, we love and we are gonna love whenever they kick Indian asses.

PS: Thread is about about China and Pakistan. Let us discuss and keep your comments to yourself.
 
Read my next comment.
Then that's an especially big no. Bringing in foreign workers to depress wages in China is detrimental to raising standard of living for its citizens. China should focus on increasing efficiency of its manufacturing through automation and enhanced infrastructure to stay competitive, not try to race to the bottom.
 
I heard from a family member that they used to have a Pakistani guy in a teaching assistant position but later had to let him go because he "insist on offering prayers at busy working hour" 😂

so for a unified homogeneous nation as China, never expect its working places to be culturally or religiously tolerant, that's the sad reality.
What if he were a Uyghur from Xinjiang? Do you have any laws that will accommodate their cultural preferences? Like prayer, diet (no pork/Halal), clothing (Hijab) etc. What about personal laws like marriage, divorce and inheritance? Is it same for all Chinese or different for Uyghurs?
 
No for a multitude of reasons. China can figure out falling labour numbers itself.
 

Demographic changes in China offer Pakistan opportunities that would need well-informed and thought-out public policy
Shahid Javed Burki

Pakistan borders two of the world’s most populous countries – India and China. Until a few weeks ago, China had more people than India but then the latter, with a higher rate of population growth, went past China and became the world’s largest country. Does it matter that Pakistan borders these two mega-population countries? I will argue in this article that the demographic changes in China offer Pakistan opportunities it could and should exploit but that would need well-informed and well-thought-out public policy. At this point to would be appropriate to a go a bit into history.

Mao Zedong, the founding father of modern China and the country’s supreme leader for 27 years, was apprehensive that at the rate at which the country’s population was growing, China would not be able to feed itself. He had a strong belief in self-reliance. He did not want the country’s population to reach the point at which it will have to depend on imported food to provide enough nourishment to a growing population. In the last few years of Mao’s rule of China, the country’s population was growing at more than 20 million a year.

Under Mao’s stewardship, the country had been through two famines; the first in the late 1950s, a decade after the Communist Party of China had taken full control of the country. Mao was in a hurry to make China an important country on the global scene. He wanted to industrialise the country while remaining self-sufficient in food. The Mao approach resulted in the adoption of the policy the history knows as the ‘Great Leap Forward’. The idea was that the principle of self-reliance would apply not only to the entire country but to individual households as well. Families would produce within the confines of their homes and the small bits of land that had been left with them after collectivisation. The result of the policy was a plunge in food production that had the Chinese go through first of the two famines during the Mao era. Millions of people died of starvation.

Mao reacted to the crisis by adopting what came to be called the ‘one child policy’. No Chinese couple could have more than one child. Second pregnancies were aborted. Abortion became common and with the strong preference for male children, the Chinese aborted girls leaving the country with a highly skewed gender imbalance. In 2022, China had a sex ratio of 104.69 men to every 100 women. It reached a point where it began to import girls from neighbouring countries the Chinese men could marry.

The one child policy produced results Mao would have appreciated. On February 17, 2023, China’s Bureau of Statistics announced a decline of 850,000 people, bringing the total population to 1.4118 billion – the first such decline in 60 years. The birth rate reached its lowest level on record, 6.77 per 1,000 people down from 7.52 in 2021. The last time China’s population declined was in 1961, after three years of Mao’s disastrous ‘Great Leap Forward’ industrial policy. Although long predicted, the decline in population arrived sooner than expected. Leading Chinese scholars and the United Nations estimated as recently as 2019 that the downward trend would not begin until early in the 2030s. The decline in the rate of growth of population results in its ageing. This has serious economic consequences as experienced by Japan over the last couple of decades. Japan is now the oldest society in the world with 29% of the country’s population over 65. With a comparably contracting work force, China too could fall short of the ambition to become a global leader.

Even though experience has shown that state policies directed at changing population growth rates seldom produces the intended results, the Chinese cities are attempting to increase the rate of population growth. For instance, Shanghai last year gave mothers an additional 60 days of maternity leave on top of state-mandated time off; paternity leave was extended to 10 days. Shenzhen on January 17 became the latest Chinese city to give out almost $1,500 for couples who had a third child. Beijing, in other words, has come a long distance when Mao, the Supreme Leader, attempted to drastically reduce the birth rate.

There is now an urgency being attached to bringing change in demographic trends as President Xi Jinping’s policy of ‘national rejuvenation’ depends on a large, growing and well-educated population. He has sought to tackle the long-term economic and social pressures from a shrinking, ageing society by lifting the limits on family size imposed by some of the country’s earlier leaders. He has taken steps to build a strong social safety network and announced a new phase of high-quality growth less dependent on legions of cheap, abundant migrant workers from the countryside. “The population issue is the most important issue for the future but is the one that is most easily neglected,” Ren Zeping, a former chief economist for the Evergrande Group, a massive housing developer, who has studied the looming demographic crunch, wrote in widely circulated comment after the population numbers were released on February 17.

One of the options available to China to address the worker-shortages it has begun to experience is to import people from the neighbouring countries, from a country such as Pakistan which has one of the youngest populations in the world. As is well known, China built its economy initially by exporting labour-intensive products to the West. However, rapid development has resulted in higher wages. Several Chinese enterprises have moved their operations to labour-surplus countries such as Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and Indonesia. Chinese enterprises have not come to Pakistan as they consider the general public is not welcoming. Some of the anti-China sentiment that has been created is the result of Indian endeavours where articles are written and sold to Pakistani authors who are prepared to publish them under their names.

However, the country is experiencing another kind of worker shortage. With its technological sector rapidly developing, China needs large number of well-educated and trained workers. With a concerted effort that is made by the government working with the private sector, Pakistan could produce the well-trained and educated work force the Chinese need. Japan with worker-shortages that are also the result of demographic change has begun to import Indian workers who have graduated from the well-known science and technology institutions the country has established over the last six decades. Pakistan could follow the Indian example.
I chuckled so hard
 
China's population decline is a much less concern comparing to south Asia's overpopulation.
 
Weird article.

People understand different things when one mentions China's demographic 'problem'.

Anyhow Pakistan is helping already in bridging some aspects of the said concerns.
 
You try very hard. But I think its clear the Chinese don't want to import pakistanis into their country. Reasons that lie in the sub-text of most respondents here include "Terrorism", "Muslim" and finally good old "Racism".

They are okay with you shilling for them -- but from a distance please :)
Let me add little more to it.
China will import negros of Ghana one day, who will do all sorts of shit in the streets of China, but China will be compelled to give them visas.
Lets wait and watch. The path of European culture is a sure path of extinction.
 
What if he were a Uyghur from Xinjiang? Do you have any laws that will accommodate their cultural preferences? Like prayer, diet (no pork/Halal), clothing (Hijab) etc. What about personal laws like marriage, divorce and inheritance? Is it same for all Chinese or different for Uyghurs?
I never met many Uyghurs, but from what I heard they are not serious practitioners of Muslim rituals, most just shy away from pork.
 
Let me add little more to it.
China will import negros of Ghana one day, who will do all sorts of shit in the streets of China, but China will be compelled to give them visas.
Lets wait and watch. The path of European culture is a sure path of extinction.
No, Chinese will build large number of robots to do the shit work instead, I will bet on that.
 
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