Pakistan Army's VT-4 Main Battle Tank | Updates & Discussions

[Tipu7]

AK-1 should have been a better tank than VT-4. With all the experience on upgrading T-59 into AZ and working on Type-90 II, HIT should have been excelling by now in tank design and its capabilities.

But AK-1 is not a better tank than VT4. And army views more evolutionary potential in Al Haider than in Al Khalid series. Possibility exists that there won't be any Al Khalid 2.

 

[Tipu7]

HIT should have been excelling by now in tank design and its capabilities

That didn't happen. The Al Khalid project has suffered from delays and corruption, and thus the project didn't evolve the way we once hoped.

 

[Dreamer.]

Why? VT4 has proven it self to be far more capable than AK1. And Pakistan will very likely domestically produce VT4 as Al Haider in coming years just like it has domestically produced VT1 as Al Khalid in the past.

But AK-1 is not a better tank than VT4. And army views more evolutionary potential in Al Haider than in Al Khalid series. Possibility exists that there won't be any Al Khalid 2.

That didn't happen. The Al Khalid project has suffered from delays and corruption, and thus the project didn't evolve the way we once hoped.

All round bad news this!

And if there's to be no alkhalid-2, than just make vt-4 as alkhalid-2 rather than call it alhaidar.

 

[SABRE]

But AK-1 is not a better tank than VT4. And army views more evolutionary potential in Al Haider than in Al Khalid series. Possibility exists that there won't be any Al Khalid 2.

This now seems the likely case. The first prototype of AK-2 was supposed to roll out by the end of 2019. We are entering the end of 2020 & there is no evidence to suggest that even the work on the prototype has begun let alone roll it out for preliminary trials. News in the past couple of years of PA considering Oplot, T-90, & VT-4 MTBS sort of hinted that AK-2 project might not be going as intended.

 

[Zarvan]

But AK-1 is not a better tank than VT4. And army views more evolutionary potential in Al Haider than in Al Khalid series. Possibility exists that there won't be any Al Khalid 2.

In my opinion there would be AL KHALID II only issue whether we make it on our own or will get from some where. Pakistan will be operating three main MBT in near future. VT 4 (AL HAIDER) and AL KHALID I and third either our indigenous AL KHALID II or a Tank like K 2 Black Panther or T 14 Armata will come.

 

[SABRE]

I would suggest that PA/HIT abandon the AK-2 and acquire ToT for VT-4MBT & VT-5 light tank (LT/LBT). From what it appears, Pakistan and China are the only two countries experimenting with high plateau tank deployments. VT-5 has been designed for that purpose.

 

[Signalian]

That didn't happen. The Al Khalid project has suffered from delays and corruption, and thus the project didn't evolve the way we once hoped.

and JF-17 is a success that its evolving into Block III, even when PAF is bad mouthed for corruption and incompetency and what not, by members on PDF.

 

[Trango Towers]

Logic behind tankers wearing black?? Anyone?

 

[Signalian]

Logic behind tankers wearing black?? Anyone?

Oil, mud, dust

 

[Tipu7]

and JF-17 is a success that its evolving into Block III, even when PAF is bad mouthed for corruption and incompetency and what not, by members on PDF.

Yara there are plenty of contrasting characteristics of both institutes.
On one side, we got PAC which is pretty flexible in its approach, give room to new lessons and in majority of cases successfully translate those lessons into reality.
On other side, we got HIT. The Army dudes, who are under the impression that they know the best. And any one questioning their policies is either a traitor or an idiot. Hence, limited scope of learning, less experimentation and overall comparatively poor productivity...

 

[Trango Towers]

Oil, mud, dust

Shows up more on black.

 

[Areesh]

Al Khalid and Al Haider fighting side by side???

I can already see enemy forces of kufr getting demolished and defeated

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Shows up more on black.

Less susceptible to visible stains (especially oil and grease) compared to non-black fabric.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I would suggest that PA/HIT abandon the AK-2 and acquire ToT for VT-4MBT & VT-5 light tank (LT/LBT). From what it appears, Pakistan and China are the only two countries experimenting with high plateau tank deployments. VT-5 has been designed for that purpose.

Controversial, but a worthwhile thought. Unlike the PAF, the Army is flush with options, so it ought to leverage this flexibility to get the best solution at the lowest cost possible. That's the benefit of having options.

 

[PAR 5]

Controversial, but a worthwhile thought. Unlike the PAF, the Army is flush with options, so it ought to leverage this flexibility to get the best solution at the lowest cost possible. That's the benefit of having options.

HIT is stuck with the AK Program like a cat on a tin roof on the hottest summer day.

NORINCO is currently in no mood to give Army ToT on the VT4 considering the mess they made of the AK manufacturing program