Pakistan Army's VT-4 Main Battle Tank | Updates & Discussions

[Nasr]

India buys Rafaels and we buy Tanks , something not right here.

They can buy anything they want, we will fight the enemy on our terms, our time and place of chosing.

 

[Imran Khan]

Indian sources are not credible; i dont see why they would waste resources of stop gap tank measures. Instead focus should be on tank hunter killers.

in real world there is no stop gap in tanks sir . once you buy tanks you have to use them next 40 years or more . this news is another joke . specially when AK-1 production is going on as per gov opened docs


The low-rate production of 20 Al-Khalid I tanks, plus the final-stage development of the Al-Khalid II (featuring an enhanced power pack and fire-control/gun-control system).

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

Bad decision if correct only if TOT and local production

 

[Danish Moazzam]

i think indian rafale have more capabiity to penetrate inside our airspace than mirage 2000 so there are high chances of future air strikes by india after may 2020 when they receive 7 rafales,we should be better prepared for this threat and buy at least 8 to 10 fully operational jets from china before may 2020,it will take time for development of jf17 block 3 so we should focus on short term measures to deal with indian threat

Can you imagine the psychological impact India will get if it losses one of those jets?? It will be a white elephant for atleast a few years till they have all 36.

India will never risk sending in one of those jets if it has inventory of only 7 jets, plus if the talks of Aesa (already tested) on blk-2 plus upgraded Aesa on Blk-03 are correct with pairing to PL-15, then the F-16+JF-17 combo with all the AWACS and EW aircraft Rafale will not have an easy time.

 

[Yaseen1]

Can you imagine the psychological impact India will get if it losses one of those jets?? It will be a white elephant for atleast a few years till they have all 36.

India will never risk sending in one of those jets if it has inventory of only 7 jets, plus if the talks of Aesa (already tested) on blk-2 plus upgraded Aesa on Blk-03 are correct with pairing to PL-15, then the F-16+JF-17 combo with all the AWACS and EW aircraft Rafale will not have an easy time.

India had successfully used mirage 2000 without interception at balakot strikes , they can do the same by using rafale which is more capable, they will not use rafale for dogfight or engagement but for carrying out strikes at our ground as rafale has much better jammers which may disable or delay detection by radars

 

[monitor]

Bad decision if correct only if TOT and local production

Its coming with TOT and Local production .

 

[Dazzler]

Fake news

 

[Archie]

India buys Rafaels and we buy Tanks , something not right here.

India ordered the Rafales in September 2016, we have now just started taking the Deliveries for the same

This order appear more to be a response to recent Indian order for 464 T90MS tanks which are meant to replace the 468 T-72A tanks which were not updated to the Ajeya Standard and are now in storage.

 

[Viper27]

India had successfully used mirage 2000 without interception at balakot strikes , they can do the same by using rafale which is more capable, they will not use rafale for dogfight or engagement but for carrying out strikes at our ground as rafale has much better jammers which may disable or delay detection by radars

Don’t know whether you know what happened at Balakot or what your definition of “successful” is but you clearly don’t seem to have any idea.

The only reason their jets “successfully” left Balakot with their tails between their legs is due to PAF interception. SOP’s developed by PAF are primarily based around the Air Space Agreement with India of 1991 which, during peacetime, allows fighter jets of both sides to operate within 5kms of the LoC if taking off from a FOB. That means that effectively both sides can use supersonic jets to cross LoC for a short span of time from that distance & turn back without fear of being shot down immediately. Also, the political environment at the time had to be considered which called for restraint should IAF jets turn back which is what they did once locked on to by PAF jets. That also explains why they jettisoned their payload to ensure the aircraft was light enough to get back before PAF’s patience ran out.

Oh and IAF is buying advanced air to air BVR missiles with the Rafales so I am pretty sure those are not meant to be used for ground strikes only.

Please avoid posting if you really don’t know the background of what your talking about.

 

[S.Y.A]

tanks battles are history. Now War will be the war of fighter jets and air defence system and later it will be converted to Missiles and maybe Nukes. Pakistan should allocate 50% defence budget for Air Force

maybe that is why US has sh*t tonnes of tanks.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

maybe that is why US has sh*t tonnes of tanks.

Tanks are for invasion only.

 

[S.Y.A]

India buys Rafaels and we buy Tanks , something not right here.

Pakistani armour is (mostly)old. it consists of type 69s, type 85s and whatnot. we need those tanks as well.

 

[Hayreddin]

i think indian rafale have more capabiity to penetrate inside our airspace than mirage 2000 so there are high chances of future air strikes by india after may 2020 when they receive 7 rafales,we should be better prepared for this threat and buy at least 8 to 10 fully operational jets from china before may 2020,it will take time for development of jf17 block 3 so we should focus on short term measures to deal with indian threat

New fighter jets induction requires years to get operational . Rafael is non threat at the moment ateast for next 2 years . Jets r not like cars u go buy and drive . Its take time .
J10 doesnt offer any thing new . Jft is filling gap . Jft3 will be here but even our pilots need time to get used to Aesa radar and other new tech of jet.

VT4 was under trial in PA for quite sometime so wont be surprised for any induction in PA .

Any war btw india pak within next 12 months if fought wld be within the capacity and capability of current weaponry .
Only IN enjoy the superiority edge which falls in the parameters of offensive capacity which even can be neutralize by other factors .
IA and IAF terribly lacks this offensive capability against PA and PAF .

 

[Archie]

maybe that is why US has sh*t tonnes of tanks.

Tanks are useful but they are no longer the sword that wins the war
UK and France barely have 500 tanks each and Germany which once had 50000 MBT during World war 2, now operates barely 300 tanks,. Which is less number of Leapord tanks than their export customer Saudi Arabia
Even Indian Army has reduced the number of MBTs from over

 

[S.Y.A]

Tanks are useful but they are no longer the sword that wins the war
UK and France barely have 500 tanks each and Germany which once had 50000 MBT during World war 2, now operates barely 300 tanks,. Which is less number of Leapord tanks than their export customer Saudi Arabia
Even Indian Army has reduced the number of MBTs from over

that is because Germany, France, Uk are no longer fighting each other. and they know that the US will jump in in any future conflict with Russia. Plus, their forces will be operating with each other, so their lesser numbers will operate together.

and on that topic, their airforces have also shrunk over the years. they hardly have 200-300 jets each. looking at those numbers, one can argue that airforces are obsolete too.