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It should be seen from the time line, such as Chinese destroyers, 051B destroyers in 1998, and then 052C in 2003.2014 Launching 052Destroyer,Launch of destroyer 055 in 2017,Each of them can be seen as completely different, with four generations of progress in 20 years from 051B to 055.
Then we look at tanks, 1999 Type 99 tank, 2007 Type 99A tank, 2014 99A2 tank

90II in the 1990s, VT1 in 2000, VT1A in 2007 and VT4 in 2015.

at the same time
051B to 055
99 to 99A2
VT1 to VT4
99 tank and VT4 can be regarded as twins.
 
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Solid Tank, Solid Price: Will China's VT-4 Outsell America's Abrams Tank?
The market is heating up.

ey Point: The VT-4 gets the job done and doesn't break the bank. But if a country wants top-of-the-line and doesn't mind spending, then the M1 Abrams is the way to go.

While China’s primary tank is the ZTZ-99, its military industry (in the Western tradition) has also developed completely original designs for export. One of the designs that’s achieved considerable success is the VT-4, which has been recently adopted in significant numbers by the Royal Thai Army. The VT-4 is China’s premier export tank, built on technology and designs behind the earlier Al-Khalid tank that was built with cooperation from Pakistan and Ukraine. But how does the VT-4’s technology stack up against Russia’s T-90S, America’s M1 Abrams export models or the Leopard 2?

This first appeared in 2019 and is being reposted due to reader interest.

The VT-4’s roots are in the Al-Khalid tank developed in the 1990s. The Al-Khalid tank was largely built with mostly Chinese and Pakistani technology, but a sore spot for the Chinese designers was their lack of ability to provide a power plant for the tank. The engines for the tank had to be sourced from Germany or Ukraine. Ukraine ended up providing the production run for the Al-Khalid tank. As a result, the VT-4 program’s primary objective when it began in 2009 was to build an indigenous power plant for future domestic and export tanks. Due to the success of this engine development program, many VT-4 marketing materials tout the reliability and performance of its engine.
The Thai decision to acquire the VT-4 was a result of Ukraine’s failure to deliver T-84 Oplots on schedule. Originally, the decision was between the T-90S and the T-84 Oplot, but American diplomatic pressure resulted in the selection of the T-84 over the T-90S. However, due to various problems and the war in Ukraine, Ukraine has delivered the ordered T-84s at a slow rate. Thus, a program was initiated in 2016 to select another modern tank to take the place of the T-84. The new contenders were the Chinese VT-4 and the Russian T-90MS. Again, the post-coup Thai government’s pivot towards China and waning Russian influence in the region resulted in the selection of the VT-4 over the T-90, despite the T-90’s greater export success and the VT-4 being an unproven design. The Thai contract is the first adoption of the VT-4.

The VT-4 uses 125-millimeter Chinese BT-4 ammunition. BT-4 is the export designation for the DTW125 round, a last-generation Chinese APFSDS round with a tungsten penetrator, which is rated at seven hundred millimeters of RHA penetration at two kilometers. A new round is also in development for the export market based on technology from the current generation DTC125 round (which is rumored to penetrate 750 millimeters at the same range). While 125 millimeters is the standard caliber, the VT-4 may also be exported with a 120-millimeter gun upon a customer’s request. A 140-millimeter cannon was once considered for the VT-4 and future Chinese domestic tanks, but it is currently shelved in favor of research into better ammunition or ETC technology. The VT-4’s autoloader is also practically identical to those found in the T-72 series of tanks, with horizontal ammo stowage around the turret floor (this can be seen as the autoloader uses a hoist system in the picture, similar to the hoist system of the T-72, illustrated here). The VT-4 in Thai service is also compatible with Ukrainian ammunition, including the gun-launched ATGMs. While the original designer of the VT-4 didn’t see the need for GLATGM on the VT-4, stating that the capability given by kinetic penetrators is enough for developing countries, the feature was added to Thai VT-4s in order to make use of delivered GLATGMs that came with the T-84s. The hull armor of the VT-4 is estimated to be around five to six hundred millimeters’ RHA protection without ERA, and seven to eight hundred with the ERA package. Turret armor statistics remain restricted to potential clients. Other features on the VT-4 include laser warning receivers and a fully stabilized, independent, thermal commander sight (a feature still lacking on some modern Russian tanks).
In practice, Thai tankers have complained about the ERA on the VT-4 being thinner than that of the Oplot. The Oplot’s soft-kill active-protection system design has been proven in combat (as the Ukrainian Varta system is a close clone of the Shtora system, which has proven effective in Syria), whereas the VT4’s system has not been tested at all. However, in firing drills, the VT-4’s fire control system has proven to be more accurate than the Oplot’s.

While the capabilities of the VT-4 are not revolutionary in any way (unlike some claims from Norinco), it is a solid tank for its price, that will likely have good support from the manufacturing base in China. Survivability wise, it has the same potential issues of the T-72 and T-90 series due to the same ammo layout. While the gun performance is unlikely to be on the same level as the latest American, Chinese or Russian guns, due to being based on last-generation round technology, it should be enough to counter most armored threats that aren’t top tier. As such, the VT-4 is likely to be a popular export to nations without the budget or political connections to Russia, Europe or the United States, as a “good enough” tank. Then again, similar things were said about the Stingray light tank, for which the Royal Thai Army is also the only user.
Haider, this article is fill with many errors and assumption. VT-4 do not root from Al Khalid tank. VT-4 is derived from Type99A. China in the past do not wish to export the Type99A tank and as a result, NORINCO can capture only low end and cheap MBT market.

VT-4 is a Type99A model approved for export. It is a water down version but not by a large percentage. Still retain many strong capabilities compare to any western modern tank. Western modern tank improvement has stagnant while Chinese still places emphasize on MBT tank development.

The engine of VT-4 cannot fit into Al Khalid and even the size are different. Type99 MBT engine is 100% Chinese indigenous with no german input. But China lack a powerful engine design for Type85 II and Type90-II since the priority design is for Type99 which is why they ask Ukraine for support of engine. But it is a wake up call when China is denial re export engine for Peru MBT tender. In order to gain more market share and hasten the export. Instead of designing a more powerful engine for Type85 II and Type90-II. VT-4 , an export oriented version of Type99A is approved for export to facilitate export deal. Engine is there, system is there and just need to redesign some area and it will be good to go.
 
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Haider, this article is fill with many errors and assumption. VT-4 do not root from Al Khalid tank. VT-4 is derived from Type99A. China in the past do not wish to export the Type99A tank and as a result, NORINCO can capture only low end and cheap MBT market.

VT-4 is a Type99A model approved for export. It is a water down version but not by a large percentage. Still retain many strong capabilities compare to any western modern tank. Western modern tank improvement has stagnant while Chinese still places emphasize on MBT tank development.

The engine of VT-4 cannot fit into Al Khalid and even the size are different. Type99 MBT engine is 100% Chinese indigenous with no german input. But China lack a powerful engine design for Type85 II and Type90-II since the priority design is for Type99 which is why they ask Ukraine for support of engine. But it is a wake up call when China is denial re export engine for Peru MBT tender. In order to gain more market share and hasten the export. Instead of designing a more powerful engine for Type85 II and Type90-II. VT-4 , an export oriented version of Type99A is approved for export to facilitate export deal. Engine is there, system is there and just need to redesign some area and it will be good to go.

Technically, can a 1500 HP Ukranian engine be fitted to VT-4?
 
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Chinese VT4 tank fitted with FY-IV ERA Explosive Reactive Armour against Tandem Warhead ammunition


According to new pictures published on April 22, 2020, to the China Defense Blog, the latest version of Chinese-made Main Battle Tank (MBT) VT4 is now protected with new armor ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor) Level FY-4 providing protection against Tandem Warhead ammunition. According to our previous analysis, the first version of the VT-4 MBT was fitted with ERA level FY-2.

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The VT4 MBT (Main Battle Tank) is now in service with four armed forces in the world including China, Nigeria, Pakistan, and Thailand. The VT4 also called MBT-3000 is a third-generation Main Battle Tank (MBT) designed, developed and manufactured in China by NORINCO (China North Industries Corporation).

The VT4 MBT was unveiled by the Chinese defense industry in November 2019 during the China International Aviation & Aerospace or Zhuhai AirShow. The layout of this tank is very similar to the Russian tank with a crew of three including driver, commander and gunner and the use of an automatic loading system for the main armament.

The main armament of the VT4 / MBT-3000 consists of a 125 mm smoothbore gun fitted with a thermal sleeve and fume extractor. It is fed by an automatic loader that holds a total of 22 projectiles and charges which can be loaded at the rate of eight per minute. One 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun is mounted to the right of the main armament, while on the commander's cupola is mounted a remote weapon station armed with a 12.7mm heavy machine gun that can be used to engage ground and aerial targets.

The hull and turret of the VT4 are of welded steel construction with a layer of composite armor over the front arc. The first version of the tank was fitted with additional ERA (Explosive Reactive armor) Level FY-2 providing protection against HEAT (High-Explosive Anti-Tank) and APFSDS (Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot) ammunition. According to the latest pictures released on the Internet, the latest variant of the VT4 is now fitted at the front of the hull with ERA armor Level FY-4 providing protection against Tandem Warhead.

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Close view of the ERA armor Level FY-IV mounted at the front of the VT4 main battle tank (Picture source China Defense Blog)


Currently, China produces four Level of ERA armour including the FY-I with protection against HEAT ammunition, the FY-II with protection against HEAT, APFSDS ammunition, the FY-III with protection against HEAT, APFSDS and tandem warhead ammunition and the FY-IV providing protection against HEAT, APFSDS and tandem warhead ammunition but with 85 mm thick armour blocks for the FY-IV and only 75 mm for Level III. The ERA armour consists of steel blocks with C4 explosives inside.

Reactive armour is a type of vehicle armour that reacts in some way to the impact of a weapon to reduce the damage done to the vehicle being protected. It is most effective in protecting against shaped charges and specially hardened kinetic energy penetrators. The most common type is explosive reactive armour (ERA), but variants include self-limiting explosive reactive armour (SLERA), non-energetic reactive armour (NERA), non-explosive reactive armour (NxRA), and electric reactive armour.

A high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) warhead is a type of shaped charge explosive that uses the Munroe effect to penetrate thick tank armor. Armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) is a type of kinetic energy penetrator ammunition used to attack modern vehicle armour. As an armament for main battle tanks, it succeeds armour-piercing discarding sabot (APDS) ammunition, which is still used in small or medium caliber weapon systems.

Tandem warheads are effective against reactive armour, which is designed to protect an armoured vehicle (mostly tanks) against anti-tank ammunition, missiles and rocket. The first stage of the weapon is typically a weak charge that either pierces the reactive armour of the target without detonating it leaving a channel through the reactive armour so that the second warhead may pass unimpeded, or simply detonating the armour plates causing the timing of the counter-explosion to fail. The second detonation from the same projectile attacks the same location as the first detonation where the reactive armour has been compromised. Since the regular armour plating is often the only defence remaining, the main charge (second detonation) has an increased likelihood of penetrating the armour.

China Starts Delivering VT4 Battle Tanks to Pak Army
2 days ago Darakhshan Anjum
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China has begun delivering new VT4 main battle tanks (MBTs) to Pakistan. A subsidiary of China North Industries Group Corporation (NORINCO), Inner Mongolia First Machinery Group Co. Ltd. held a shipment ceremony in a tank factory located in Baotou, Mongolia for a foreign customer
The first batch of VT4 MBTs which is equipped with explosive reactive armor (ERA) (Option FY-IV) is in the process of being delivered to the Pak Army.
Pakistan Army Armored Corps decided to acquire almost 1000 VT4 tanks from NORINCO to meet its needs.
The VT4 MBT is an upgraded version of Al-Khalid MBT which is also known as MBT-2000. It is offered for export by NORINCO with the same 125 mm main gun, carousel auto-loader, and crew configuration.

Furthermore, it is pertinent to mention here that the company also delivered the first shipment of 17 military vehicles to the Nigerian Army. It also included ST1 tank, SH5 105mm wheeled self-propelled howitzers and VT4 MBTs.


Does not make sense why buy when pak can add the same upgrades to it’s ak with Chinese assistance and then there is ak2
Unless ak2 is also mbt3000 /vt4 and first few sets will come ready from China and rest rolled out from HIT

anyway time will tell and 900 number way ...
 
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1. China can learn from the way the Russians and Americans export poor quality versions of the weapons they are using. For example, Abrams tanks do not have "depleted uranium ammunition." T-72 tanks lack sophisticated firing control systems. But instead of exporting poor quality Type-99, they decided to create a new tank (VT-4) for export.

2. The Type-99 armor is more protective than VT-4 due to the use of special materials
VT-4 is a tank born later, it inherits many advantages of Type-99. The advantage of VT-4 over Type-99 is in electronics and active protection systems.
 
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Technically, can a 1500 HP Ukranian engine be fitted to VT-4?
No, Chinese VT-4 engine is packed with automatic transmission gear into it. Totally different from Ukraine engine concept. The bad is , it is more complicated. The good is, you just need to replace the whole powepack engine, if damage, in just 45mims and u are good to go.
 
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I just mean diesel engines.

Besides, GTD-1250 is 1250 HP.
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As I indicated in my post, there is now a 1500HP version of GTD-1250. Anyways, as for the Diesel engine, it is the 1500HP version developed by Enterprise Malyshev Plant. See the Link from Quwa.

https://quwa.org/2016/05/24/ukraine-introduces-new-1500hp-diesel-engine-tanks/


@Quwa ... Hey Bilal, whatever happened to the $600 Million tank contract between Pakistan and Ukraine? A customised VT-4 with Ukrainian engines - is that even possible keeping in view what Beast said above?
 
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