Pakistan Army to preempt India’s ‘Cold Start Doctrine’

[Secur]

we lacked anti-tank missiles and a whole heap of other vital equipment

So did the other side , lacking vital defense equipment . So , not really , it cant be the cause .

Which leaves us with both . Either it was the nuclear deterrence since the other side is a nuclear power too or the fear of negative impact on economy and development if you started a war ?

But India will go after terror camps not the Pakistani military unless it has to and the whole world will be watching and putting pressure not to esculate the conflict.

Ill be online tomorrow to take this up more

You realize that there is no way of ascertaining yours or anybody's intentions if you cross the border .

 

[Kompromat]

India does not differentiate between the use of tactical nuclear weapons and longer range type of missiles, if a nuke is used it will result in full scale nuclear onslaught of all major cities in Pakistan and strategic centres.

If another terror attack such as 26/11 happens on Indian soil this time we will respond otherwise we wish to better our ties but the ball is in your court.

All right jackass, what you must know is that you, your family and not even your puppy dog nor your pet chicken are going to survive from what we will throw at you. Take these empty threats to someone else, they are TOOO boring now. Your generals don't have the stomach to lose a billion hindus. The message is plain and simple, attack us and we will demolish you.

 

[Kompromat]

On 7 December, US Senator John McCain relayed a message from Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, to a group of Pakistanis at a lunch in Lahore, that if Pakistan did not arrest those involved with the attacks, India would begin aerial attacks against Pakistan

John McCain is an authority on Indian policy now?... India has lost its capability to attack Pakistan and get away with it. We saw what you were made of when a bunch of Chinese grunts put their pants down in the face of "Maha Bhaarat" for weeks while your million strong "Super power Sena" and your "Vishaal Vayu Sena" watched and did absolutely nothing. Just jerk off these threats, they mean NOTHING to us.

@Psyops Am i right ?

Pakistan did what we asked and raided the camps otherwise who know what would have happened.

That is the most self serving knee jerk post i have ever seen. Pakistan did NOTHING, we just waited for your to end your chest beating.

 

[third eye]

This subject surfaces with monotonous regularity .

I am repeating my remarks on another thread on the same subject :

Wonder why it is not noticed that even now Indian ends are being met.

The stupidest thing India could do is to physically attack for it would polarise all the divergent groups who are pulling in different directions & tearing the national fabric of Pakistan.

Why should India attack when :

1. For the first time the PA is deployed both on the East & West of its country.
2. The PA spends close to 25- 30 % of its peace time resources in defending itself from its own countrymen.
3. PA stands discredited in the eyes of the world & ppl of its own country after Abbotabad & more.
4. More people die daily of bomb blasts than in any other aggressive act .
5. Resources are stretched thin across the nation.
6. Financially - less said the better.
7. The Shia - Sunni divide is getting worse & has crossed a point of no return in some states.

.. and so much more.

Does Indian need to actually attack when the mere threat is serving its ends ?

The Cold Start is already on ...

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/seniors-cafe/252922-son-cold-start.html#ixzz2WRHyc9M1

 

[FullMetalJacket]

All right jackass, what you must know is that you, your family and not even your puppy dog nor your pet chicken are going to survive from what we will throw at you. Take these empty threats to someone else, they are TOOO boring now. Your generals don't have the stomach to lose a billion hindus. The message is plain and simple, attack us and we will demolish you.

This makes sense at all, however, do take into account the possibility of retailiation which seems to be missing in your equation. So it should be like, this, India attacks you, you retaliate, india counter retaliates, we all end up in god's palace. It's best not to underestimate your enemy, especially one that is much bigger than you. I know you've been told this many times, however there is a possibility that a part of india will most likely remain standing because of her shear size, although this is questionable due to radiation, etc etc, but there is a small possibility. However, your country and all its inhabitants will surely be wiped out. India has far much more to lose, it's still developing, stil blossoming.

This subject surfaces with monotonous regularity .

I am repeating my remarks on another thread on the same subject :

Wonder why it is not noticed that even now Indian ends are being met.

The stupidest thing India could do is to physically attack for it would polarise all the divergent groups who are pulling in different directions & tearing the national fabric of Pakistan.

Why should India attack when :

1. For the first time the PA is deployed both on the East & West of its country.
2. The PA spends close to 25- 30 % of its peace time resources in defending itself from its own countrymen.
3. PA stands discredited in the eyes of the world & ppl of its own country after Abbotabad & more.
4. More people die daily of bomb blasts than in any other aggressive act .
5. Resources are stretched thin across the nation.
6. Financially - less said the better.
7. The Shia - Sunni divide is getting worse & has crossed a point of no return in some states.

.. and so much more.

Does Indian need to actually attack when the mere threat is serving its ends ?

The Cold Start is already on ...

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/seniors-cafe/252922-son-cold-start.html#ixzz2WRHyc9M1

I agree with you here as I did before in the other thread when you mentioned this. India knows that in order to keep pakistan in check or to effectively keep it busy, is the arm all those who oppose pakistan. Could be BLA or some other entitiy. This tactic was first used by pakistan, now adopted by India. Now, you tell me which country is using this tactic to its fullest and most effectiveness.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Are those rectangle and circle in image below, the things i'm thinking about.....?

Seriously who gets to make those shapes with the paint.Here comes a sizzling AP round (crossing the red circle) and there ends a love story.

ok, let's leave it.

Why do they need to keep a bunch of boys outside with a TOW or a Baktar shikan missile to try their luck?

Don't they have them mounted over the vehicle?

Perhaps using/practicing all options to get a kill.

 

[Kompromat]

@FullMetalJacket

Some people are having difficulty understanding how terrible a war will look, we don't live in the 70's anymore.

 

[notorious_eagle]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/specials/popup/30_12_D_MTR11.pdf


This PDF is crude but it shows the mood after 26/11, however we got Pakistan to act and they raided the terror camps in Pak held Kashmir.





Nobody is saying it will be a full scale war unless Pakistan ups the ante but if you suggesting India will do nothing your very naive because even after 26/11 if Pakistan did not raid the camps we would have mobilised, the war room was already filled with IAF and Indian Army heads talking about which action to take.

So exactly do you think India can do against Pakistan? After all, India is yet to prove that the attackers of 26/11 had any State Backing.

But India will go after terror camps not the Pakistani military unless it has to and the whole world will be watching and putting pressure not to esculate the conflict.

Ill be online tomorrow to take this up more

If India wants to go after the so called 'terror camps', it will have to fight through because it will be opposed right at the border. Also, whats the guarantee about the accuracy of the intel and what if the IAF takes out a school instead of a so called terror camp?

 

[third eye]

I agree with you here as I did before in the other thread when you mentioned this. India knows that in order to keep pakistan in check or to effectively keep it busy, is the arm all those who oppose pakistan. Could be BLA or some other entitiy. This tactic was first used by pakistan, now adopted by India. Now, you tell me which country is using this tactic to its fullest and most effectiveness.

India has always torn a page off the Pak book and done it more effectively.

1947-48 . Pak sent in its army as Tribals into J&K with a view to annexe it. In '65 Ayub sent in paratroopers too.
1971 : India repaid the compliment & BD was born.

 

[Kompromat]

Are those rectangle and circle in image below, the things i'm thinking about.....?

Seriously who gets to make those shapes with the paint.Here comes a sizzling AP round (crossing the red circle) and there ends a love story.

ok, let's leave it.

Why do they need to keep a bunch of boys outside with a TOW or a Baktar shikan missile to try their luck?

Don't they have them mounted over the vehicle?

Perhaps using/practicing all options to get a kill.

They are useless. PA needs to work on Turret launched ATGMs like this.

 

[notorious_eagle]

They are useless. PA needs to work on Turret launched ATGMs like this.

Wasn't this introduced a couple of years back? I believe they came up with a prototype a couple of years back, and after it was approved it was being serially produced by HIT and installed on some of the APC's.

 

[livingdead]

This makes sense at all, however, do take into account the possibility of retailiation which seems to be missing in your equation. So it should be like, this, India attacks you, you retaliate, india counter retaliates, we all end up in god's palace. It's best not to underestimate your enemy, especially one that is much bigger than you. I know you've been told this many times, however there is a possibility that a part of india will most likely remain standing because of her shear size, although this is questionable due to radiation, etc etc, but there is a small possibility. However, your country and all its inhabitants will surely be wiped out. India has far much more to lose, it's still developing, stil blossoming.



I agree with you here as I did before in the other thread when you mentioned this. India knows that in order to keep pakistan in check or to effectively keep it busy, is the arm all those who oppose pakistan. Could be BLA or some other entitiy. This tactic was first used by pakistan, now adopted by India. Now, you tell me which country is using this tactic to its fullest and most effectiveness.

It will be stupid to start a nuclear war which will serve no purpose. The covert war should be responded in similar way. Our aim is not to teach pakistan a lesson or save our face after a terror attack, it is to put pressure on pakistan.
And that can be done much more effective way, without risking our economic rise, using actions other than war.

 

[tarrar]

Good work Pakistan Army & as far as Indian goes nothing new from them they will always deny & prepare under table.

 

[Jango]

What's that on top of the APC?

 

[Edevelop]

What's that on top of the APC?

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