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Pakistan army soldier martyred by firing from Afghan Taliban

This was not Pakistan’s war but it surely is now. You can recall the times of Talibanization by USA and Pakistan in Afghanistan for mutual benefits. America gets to engage and then break Russia and emerged as super power with no credible rivalry to their throne. Pakistan ….. well Pakistan had to do it because you cannot risk letting Russia sit beside you and then gain the access to hot waters (Gawadar) by penetrating its way easily through Pakistan. Pakistan also instigated Talibans against Russia because if Russia would have been successful in invading Afghanistan and self impose itself as a watchdog of South Asia who knows how much leverage would India have gained in propogating their plans against Pakistan. Nonetheless, this does not matters now. No one should question Pakistan Islamic help it gave to Afghanistan & Kashmir broke us but it did not halt our support for these causes. With respect to Erdogan and Turkey they got nothing on Pakistan when it came to Muslim liberation fights we were always their. from Bosnia , Chechnya , Kashmir, Afghanistan , and Palestinians . PR , is for Middle Eastern egos as Pakistanis don’t do PR we just do what is necessary for better outcome
Very fair point bro

Our PR is genuinely horrible, half the stuff positive stuff about Pakistan is unknown because the state just does it and forgets about it, hardly mentions it again. Even our military capabilities and indegenous tech we barely get any updates apart from the occasional display at an expo.

Our help in Bosnia, Palestine and Afghanistan is not a joke, those are decent achievements but many people are unaware

The reason Turkey and those other states have good PR is because of their pre-existing popularity, then they'll do something good Islamically once and everyone will clap 💀 - no hate to them though ofc
 
Afghanistan is to Pakistan what ghol (Germany) was to Rome

Primitive tribal barbarians.

It's all about perception at the moment. They cannot be seen as macho but weak, so every attack shud have repercussions... military ones

Keep closing crossings for extended times, they will also lose support of starving locals.

If you fail to respond, you will be perceived as weak and more attacks will follow
 
Some of you guys are full of bluster. Forcefully annexing Wakhan is asking for trouble. NO ONE, not even china, will support us on this. We have no legitimate reason & therefore it would be against international law. We're not a great power that can do whatever it wants. Remember that. Also, what will you do if another insurgency starts there? Building a transport route through there is already difficult enough. If anything this is a measure of last resort.

If you want to stop Afghan chutiyapa once & for all, the only solution is to change the tribal, ethnonationalist, chauvnistic Afghan mindset. This is a decades long project. And don't think if you leave them alone they'll change by themselves like the Saudis did. Saudi family owes it's position to the west & the west only cares about them b/c of oil which is why they're so involved in SA. This won't happen in Afg & Afghans are more stubborn than Saudis to begin with who got fat & greedy from oil.

Short term steps:
1. Fortify border
2. Disproportionate kinetic retaliation to any attack against us.
3. Other responses include halting health & student visas & trade, returning refugees, etc
4. Eliminate anti-pak figures
5. Raids against TTP strongholds & assassinate their leaders
6. Use anti-TTP ulema to promote our fight as being against khawarij. Use this rhetoric to pressurize IEA unless they want to be labelled the same
7. Threaten to support anti-Taliban elements if they don't play nice. Impress upon them that the only way they will have peace is if we have it too.

Long term steps:

1. Build up Islamic PR. I mentioned how in a previous comment (see below). Tying into societal reform is promoting an islamic society where religion & living in unity with coreligionists from other ethnicities matters more than ethnic kinship. Also, where sharia matters more than cultural practices like pashtunwali. Their leverage will loosen greatly on us this way.
Promote our islamic street cred. Make documentaries about Pakistan's Islamic actions like supporting Afghan jihad, Kashmir, Palestine, Bosnia, etc. Heck, we can even make docs on how we supported Taliban against US (with gov officials denying it of course *wink wink*). Make docs on how Pakistan has supported Afg so much. For spice, add pro-pak statements from friendly Afghans.
Make docs for any controversial thing we've participated in like WoT or black September providing justification & nuance to why we had to do what we did.
Yes, we can rebuild our islamic PR. 1st step is by putting pdm behind bars along with bajwa & other adventurous generals. Reform justice system away from British law & make it sharia compliant. Engage with local & international ulema by hosting events & discussions, etc. Most importantly, societal reforms in general.

2. Carry out propaganda warfare by making docs on Afg ethnonationalism & unislamic aspects of their society despite the Taliban claiming to be islamic.
3. Ideological warfare. Support pro-pak NGOs & news org in Afg. Buy off loyalties. We might be broke but they're more broke than us & plenty for sale as well regardless of how they might portray themselves.

Enough of the stick. Now for the carrot.

5. Promote our culture & pakistaniyat through entertainment industry. Turn them into Afghan version of weebs & Kpop fans.
6. Promote economic ties. Make sure that out of all their neighbours, their economy is tied to the well being of ours.
7. Continue funding development & humanitarian projects. Use media to make sure they don't forget it.
8. Train their academics, military officers, journalists, etc. Use this opportunity to turn as many of them as possible into our pawns.
9. Offer a loose confederation, where they can have reasonable autonomy.

Backup plan:

Work with Afg neighbours & local separatists to balkanize it. I'm sure Iranis, Uzbeks & Tajiks won't mind finally removing this headache once & for all. Bonus for them if they can gain territory as well.
 
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This was not Pakistan’s war but it surely is now. You can recall the times of Talibanization by USA and Pakistan in Afghanistan for mutual benefits. America gets to engage and then break Russia and emerged as super power with no credible rivalry to their throne. Pakistan ….. well Pakistan had to do it because you cannot risk letting Russia sit beside you and then gain the access to hot waters (Gawadar) by penetrating its way easily through Pakistan. Pakistan also instigated Talibans against Russia because if Russia would have been successful in invading Afghanistan and self impose itself as a watchdog of South Asia who knows how much leverage would India have gained in propogating their plans against Pakistan. Nonetheless, this does not matters now.

Just a minor correction. We supported Mujahideen against USSR, SOME of whom later became Taliban.

No one should question Pakistan Islamic help it gave to Afghanistan & Kashmir broke us but it did not halt our support for these causes. With respect to Erdogan and Turkey they got nothing on Pakistan when it came to Muslim liberation fights we were always their. from Bosnia , Chechnya , Kashmir, Afghanistan , and Palestinians .
No one should question and yet they do. None of these things seem to matter in the face of hurr-durr slave of America. People simply don't have nuance. There is some truth to this however. You can thank army & pdm for that. Which is why we need political reform ASAP.

Turkey doesn't have anything on us true but at the end of the day that's how we're perceived as. Turkey under Erdogan is not. It's as simple as that.

PR , is for Middle Eastern egos as Pakistanis don’t do PR we just do what is necessary for better outcome

It's a testament to our faith & generosity that we do these things despite the backlash, costs & inevitable scorn. But you're mistaken if you think PR is simply for ego. PR helps promote your national interest by build long-lasting peaceful relations & creating opportunities for economic growth. More people want to work with you & you're less likely to be attacked or sanctioned if people like you.
 
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@mods wrong title ... Why taliban is mentioned ... Its like any clash with india reported as PMLN fight with indian army ...

Guys there will always be rogue elements in Afghanistan ... We have to control them rather than fight them
 
@mods wrong title ... Why taliban is mentioned ... Its like any clash with india reported as PMLN fight with indian army ...

Guys there will always be rogue elements in Afghanistan ... We have to control them rather than fight them
They are not rogue elements, it's the common element

This is the common Afghan acts, no wonder the terrorism never ends, because TTP will always have massive manpower to recruit from.

 
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I saw their comments. They are so happy to kill a Muslim like they conquered Jerusalem.
You're talking out of emotion, we must play it smart and over the long term, not be emotionally reactive, and not in a disgusting manner like that.

Please delete that comment, it's not representative of us as a people.
 
RIP to the fallen soldier.
See that's the reason we should not bad mouth the whole institution these days. Only the few bad eggs at the top.
And as someone from a military family I can tell , the politics in the military starts after the brigadier rank ,below rank officers live the middle class life and work just like every other Pakistani. Here we are talking about a sepoy.

I'm with you on this, being from a fauji background myself. Only here, it becomes very clear from around the Major level, your coursemates who are headed to the higher ranks. After the Colonel board you have a whole lot of what on civvy street is now called silent quitting. Or what we here in the fauj call the "khula saand" syndrome.
 
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It’s about time PA lobs some TOWs across the border. This is the 7th such incident. Our soldiers blood is not cheap.

Honestly, Pakistan needs to apply pressure on Kabul the conventional way.

Some dogs only understand the language of the stone and the cane.
There should be a way for Pakistan to hunt culprits like these and hang them in full public display on this side of border.
Shooting on another country and running away is like a game for them. Unless there are brutal consequences for them they will keep playing it like a game.
 
Any briefing from DG ISPR?

Ya sirf awam pr bandooqain tanne ka shoq hai?
 


As suspected not done by Taliban.

There shud be meeting to tell them how security can be mutually enhanced
 
@lastofthepatriots @KaiserX @[SSG]Q226

This is the solution, collective deterrence so they stop providing manpower to the TTP.

For every action on our side, there must be an equal and opposite reaction on their side, BUT, this action doesn't have to be militarily, it can be based on trade, shutting down border checkposts, etc, which makes them think twice.

When they realise that their chauvinistic "jihad" is unsustainable and hurts the common man, they'll stop. Then we start to build PR in their country to counter their toxic mindset, which is a hit or miss.


Agreed. I am also against actively harming innocent Afghans.

Pakistanis don't need to protest about soldier losses on the border, they just need to not be against solutions to prevent them from happening or from controlling IEA.

It's arguably even better if they just don't know.


Exercising soft power through economic and transport means will definitely be one of the biggest damaging factors to the Talibs.

Shutting down the Afghan Border entirely, whilst placing heavy punishments for Pak soldiers who aid in the Afghan border smuggling rings. (Collusion with the enemy=Court martial).

A large part of the Talib's pocket money comes from their smuggling rings, which often takes routes through Pakistan. Cutting it is practically equivalent to cutting their jugular vein.

The time for Ummah Chummah is over for the talibs. But at the same time, I do not condone any action upon Afghan civilians. The Talib state will eventually collapse, and beefing up our border to keep out the following chaos is of utmost priority





I also feel like anti-TTP preachers will be a massive part of the battle to win over hearts as well as minds. This would especially strengthen the resolve of the Pakistani civilians on the border, who are susceptible to siding with the talibs
 
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