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VCheng;

We all can differ in our opinions and we should all agree to respect that. There are good and bad in all groups of people. Pakistanis are not a bad lot but a misled lot. Fundamentally, they are one of the friendliest and caring people but highly, emotionally charged. This is expected of a young nation.

It is the duty of people like us to engage with them and try to get them to see the light of the day instead of ridiculing their lack of understanding.

Education and continued engagement is the trick my firend.;-)

Agreed; I can but try.
 
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Yes, try do not give up but with a deft touch my friend.
 
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^^^ Not only all of that, but witness the level of delusion that some insist upon forcing on others on PDF as well; it indicates that not only are the leaders at fault, but the followers too, for not seeing the daylight even when it shines in their faces bright and clear.

i actually agree with this 10,000% (if such a number existed)

but then again, when you have a population of 180 millions of different educational and economic backgrounds its only inevitable that there will be a rift in ideas and a vast array of ''faults'' ........you have rational and irrational all over

and you know how our people are....many tend to get emotional and it sometimes clouds the thinking


i only hold the leaders more in contempt because they have the ABILITY to do a better job reversing whatever ills there are in our society but there is no will on their part to do so....bad habits are easier to pick up than good ones; and some of the people have picked up the bad habits they learned from the people we call our leaders. Lying, cheating, ill-gotten gains, etc.
 
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i only hold the leaders more in contempt because they have the ABILITY to do a better job reversing whatever ills there are in our society but there is no will on their part to do so....bad habits are easier to pick up than good ones; and some of the people have picked up the bad habits they learned from the people we call our leaders. Lying, cheating, ill-gotten gains, etc.

"They say cream rises to the top; but only scum rises to the top of a dirty pond."

We all need to clean up our pond first! :D
 
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Cheng,

when you polish and scrub old leather or vinyl seats --- the dirt and shyte becomes visible when in fact it wasnt visible and looked cleaner when it was dirty --before the scrubbing.

thats because the dirt and shyte was deeply ingrained in the leather.....it's ironic that when you scrub it and let it dry -- the leather is clean but the outside is ******...there's an easy solution to that

you wipe it with a clean fiber towel with some light soap and water...and then repeat the whole process until the leather is shining and bright -with luster.


in Pakistan's case, I have a feeling that if the PEOPLE do the leading --- then the LEADERS would follow. However people arent born with this innate ability to lead. Most of it is learned, a lot of it is skill that is built up over time and experience. There is no reason why Pakistan can't be the beacon of light not just for Muslim world but for the WHOLE world --like what it was earlier on in 1950s/60s. All it takes is honest leadership.

we dont need PH.Ds and nobel prize winners like Obama :-)laugh:).....we just need honest leaders who genuinely give a damn; and can ensure that basic services are available to the people. Enough with the slogans and feudal dynasties. The people are tired of it.
 
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Cheng,

when you polish and scrub old leather or vinyl seats --- the dirt and shyte becomes visible when in fact it wasnt visible and looked cleaner when it was dirty --before the scrubbing.

thats because the dirt and shyte was deeply ingrained in the leather.....it's ironic that when you scrub it and let it dry -- the leather is clean but the outside is ******...there's an easy solution to that

you wipe it with a clean fiber towel with some light soap and water...and then repeat the whole process until the leather is shining and bright -with luster.


in Pakistan's case, I have a feeling that if the PEOPLE do the leading --- then the LEADERS would follow. However people arent born with this innate ability to lead. Most of it is learned, a lot of it is skill that is built up over time and experience. There is no reason why Pakistan can't be the beacon of light not just for Muslim world but for the WHOLE world --like what it was earlier on in 1950s/60s. All it takes is honest leadership.

we dont need PH.Ds and nobel prize winners like Obama :-)laugh:).....we just need honest leaders who genuinely give a damn; and can ensure that basic services are available to the people. Enough with the slogans and feudal dynasties. The people are tired of it.

Great example, and very well explained. I agree wholeheartedly!
 
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OK BRO BEST OF LUCK FROM THE INDIAN SIDE,AND LETS SEE THE POTENTIALITY OF A PAKISTANI SIKH AGAINST INDIA.
 
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88 army officers, soldiers awarded for gallantry



By: APP | April 06, 2012

Lahore - A simple but impressive investiture ceremony was held at Corps Headquarters Auditorium here Wednesday morning. Lahore Corps Commander Lieutenant General Rashad Mahmood, who was the chief guest on the occasion, decorated eighty-eight officers and soldiers with military honours and awards. The honours were awarded to the recipients in recognition of their acts of gallantry, outstanding performances in their respective field and for their long meritorious services.

Posthumous award of Tamgha-i-Basalat were received by next of kin of Hav Abdul Hamid (Shaheed) of Frontier Force Regiment, Hav Roshan Ali (Shaheed) of Azad Kashmir Regiment, L/Hav Muhammad Rashid (Shaheed) of Azad Kashmir Regiment, Nk Muhammad Saeed (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment, Nk Shabbir Akhtar (Shaheed) of Artillery Regiment, Lnk Mukhtar Ahmed (Shaheed) of Frontier Force Regiment, Sep Imtiaz Hussain (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment, Sep Muhammad Ali Sheeran (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment, Sep Atta Ullah (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment, Sep Rafaqat (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment, Sep Sajwar Hussain Shaheed of Punjab Regiment, Sep Muhamad Irshad :-)Shaheed) of Frontier Force Regiment, Sep Muhammad Imran (Shaheed) of Frontier Force Regiment, SW Asif Adeel (Shaheed) of Sind Regiment, Sep Altaf (Shaheed) of Baloch Regiment, Sep Muhammad Nadeem (Shaheed) DSG, Sep Riasat Ali (Shaheed) DSG, Nk Muhammad Yasin (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment, Nk Muhammad Younas (Shaheed) of Frontier Force Regiment, Spr Muhammad Rizwan (Shaheed) of Engineers, Sep Riaz Ahmed (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment, Sep Zahoor Ahmad (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment, Sep Shakoor Hussain (Shaheed) of Frontier Force Regiment, Sep Muhammad Mukhtar (Shaheed) of Sind Regiment, Sep Ansar Ali (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment, Sep Gulzar Ahmed (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment, Sep Abid Hussain (Shaheed) of Baloch Regiment and Sep Muhammad Nadeem (Shaheed) of Punjab Regiment.

The recipients of Sitar-i-Imtiaz (Military) included Brigadier Najmul Hassan of Army Medical Corps, Brigadier Shahid Afzal of Baloch Regment, Brigadier Syed Shaukat Ali of Armoured Corps, Brigadier Muhammad Shoaib Murtaza T.Bt(M) of Azad Kashmir Regiment, Brigadier Khawar Saeed of Frontier Force Regiment, Brigadier Muhammad Nazif of Artillery Regiment, Brigadier Mian Azhar Mahmud of Armoured Corps, Brigadier Hamid Usman, TI(M) of Air Defence, Brigadier Tanvir Ahmed, Brigadier Muhammad Fiaz Iqbal of Artillery, Brigadier Shafqat Nazir of Engineers, Brigadier M. Allyas Khan of Artillery Regiment, Colonel Aman Ullah Khan Niazi of Air Defence, Colonel Ali Raza Malhi of Frontier Force Regiment, Colonel Nasir Hussain Bhatti of Ordinance and Colonel Ikhlaq Hussain of Punjab Regiment.

The recipients of Tamgha-i-Imtiaz (Military) included Lieutenant Colonel Ayub Akram Tareen of Armoured Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Shahid Hussain of Baloch Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Nayyar Sajjad of Armoured Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Saqib Mahmood Warraich of Punjab Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Mazhar Masood of Sind Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Amjad Iqbal of Azad Kashmir Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Muhammad Saleem of Artillery Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Kaiser Aurang Zeb of Armoured Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Khalid Mustafa of Army Medical Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Ishtiaq Kayani of Army Aviation, Lieutenant Colonel Fawad Akram(S.Bt) of Frontier Force Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Shahzad Afzal of Air Defence, Lieutenant Colonel Muhammad Imran Khan of Armoured Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Syed Haider Hussain of Baloch Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel (retd) Muhammad Lutaf Ullah of Army Medical Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Mrs Rahat Malik of Army Medical Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Saadat Ali Janjua of Army Medical Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Muhammad Masood Khokhar of Armed Medical Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Muhammad Abid Mushtaq of Army Medical Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Muhammad Imran Ashraf of Army Medical Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Muhammad Ibrahim Khan of Armoured Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Gulzar Ahmad of Air Defence, Lieutenant Colonel Asim Zia Qureshi of Punjab Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Manzoor Mohayyud Din of Frontier Force Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Tariq Mahmood of Army Services Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Sohaib Rizwan of Artillery Regiment, Major Jawad Qadir Qureshi of Signals Corps, Lt Colonel Zahid Munir of Sind Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Shokat Pervez of Artillery Regiment, Lt Col Amir Nazir of Sind Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Rao Tariq Siddique of Armoured Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Nadir Khan Virk of Engineers Corps, Major Badar Rizwan of Air Defence, Major Shoaib Majid Dar of Singals Corps, Major Iftikhar Manzoor of Frontier Force Regiment, Major Hassan Raza of Artillery Regiment, Major Farooq Haider Virk of Sind Regiment, Major Shahid Bashir of Punjab Regiment, Major Abdul Razzaq of Air Defence, Major Najm Us Saeed of Armoured Corps, Major Imran Ali and Major Nabeel Ahmad Khan Toor of Army Medical Corps.

The ceremony was attended, among others, by General Officers Commanding, Major General Malik Zafar Iqbal, Major General Amir Riaz, Director General of Pakistan Rangers (Punjab) Major General Mian Muhammad Hilal Hussain and Major General Azeem Asif
 
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casaulties of war against terrorism/militancy.

Army / FC.

shaheed - 3085
wounded - 9669
 
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Thursday, April 19, 2012

Amendment to Army Act

Govt fails to submit reply in Supreme Court

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: The federal government on Wednesday failed to submit its reply in the Supreme Court (SC) regarding amendment to the Army Act, 1952.

A three-member SC bench, headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhmmad Chaudhry, took up a 12-year-old pending petition, filed by Col (r) Ikram Chaudhry in which the petitioner has termed some clauses of the Army Act against the constitution of Pakistan. During the hearing, Deputy Attorney General of Pakistan Mujtaba Haider Sherazi told the bench that former AG Maulvi Anwarul Haq, who was examining the matter, had been transferred. He requested the court to grant him some time to submit a reply. Upon this, the court observed that it was duty of the AG office to mange the matter and submit a reply on time. The hearing of the case was adjourned until April 25.

On April 10, Maulvi Anwarul Haq had also requested the court to give him some time for submission of his reply. The court had approved the request and asked him to submit his reply until April 18 but the court did not get any reply.
 
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o PR91/2012-ISPR
Rawalpindi - April 19, 2012:


In an impressive ceremony, a batch of 900 security soldiers of the Strategic Plans Division graduated from the Baloch & Frontier Force Regimental Centres at Abbotabad today. Director General Security, Strategic Plans Division, Major General Muhammad Tahir was the Chief Guest.
Addressing the successful trainees, the Chief Guest appreciated the high standards of training achieved and highlighted the responsibilities and challenges ahead. He urged the soldiers to discharge their duties with utmost commitment and dedication so as to come up to the nation’s expectations. He appreciated the instructional staff that had trained this latest batch in line with international standards.
It may be recalled that the SPD has undertaken a comprehensive plan to significantly augment the capacity of its Security Force to ensure fool proof security of strategic assets. In the recent past four batches of the Security Forces have been trained at Baloch, Frontier Force Regimental Centre, and a batch of Special Response Force at the recently established SPD Training Academy. With the induction of these newly trained soldiers, the strength of the SPD Security Force touches a figure of 20,000.

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Director General Security, Strategic Plans Division, Major General Muhammad Tahir taking salute from the passed out soldiers of SPD at Abbotabad today. (19-04-2012)- Photo ISPR


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Director General Security, Strategic Plans Division, Major General Muhammad Tahir reviewing the parade of SPD soldiers at Abbotabad today. (19-04-2012)- Photo ISPR
 
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