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[MystryMan]

Not true. Sometimes people die.

One should remain positive in every situation.

 

[Khafee]

One should remain positive in every situation.

Exactly!! Someone dying and one getting promoted, definitely positive!

 

[fatman17]

Weapons: Czechs Win Pakistani 5.56mm Rifle Competition

December 21, 2016: In late November Pakistan selected a Czech firm (Česká Zbrojovka) to provide the technology and licenses so that half million CZ806 Bren 2 assault rifles could be manufactured in Pakistan. Currently Pakistan uses locally produced Heckler & Koch G3A3 7.62×51mm rifles, Chinese Type 56 (AK-47 clone) and very small quantities of different small arms used by Special Forces.

The Czechs won a 2015-16 competition for this contract. The other finalists were the FN SCAR, Zastava M21, Beretta ARX-160/200 and Kalashnikov AK-103. The CZ-806 BREN 2 was introduced in 2015 as a new version of the CZ-805 BREN which has been used by the Czech army since 2011. The CZ-806 is upgraded version based on combat experience of Czech troops in Afghanistan. The CZ-806 is about 500 g (16 ounces) lighter than the 3.6 kg (7.9 pound) CZ-805. The CZ-086 is a lot easier to use and modular. That is the receiver/barrel assembly can easily be changed so the weapon can fire different rounds or more accurately because of a longer barrel. Moreover the rifle also features quick-change barrels, allowing to change calibers (between 5.56x45 NATO, 7.62x39 AK-47 ammunition) and barrel lengths according to the mission profile like its predecessor. This is especially interesting for Pakistani troops because they have a large stock of 7.62x39 ammunition. It should be noted that only two other competitors have this level of modularity: the Belgian FN SCAR and Italian Beretta ARX-160/200.

Another advantage the CZ-806 had was lower cost than both Western competitors while the Serbian and Russian weapons were not that big improvement over existing Chinese AK-47 copies widely used by Pakistani forces. The contract terms will apparently be similar to the current G3 license agreement. Thus the Czechs would first supply Pakistanis with parts kits for assembly and then later would come the needed know-how to allow for local production of components. If this deal is completed (nothing is certain with the Pakistanis) then it will become one of the biggest export contacts ever for a Czech small arms firm. -- Przemysław Juraszek

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Weapons: Czechs Win Pakistani 5.56mm Rifle Competition

December 21, 2016: In late November Pakistan selected a Czech firm (Česká Zbrojovka) to provide the technology and licenses so that half million CZ806 Bren 2 assault rifles could be manufactured in Pakistan. Currently Pakistan uses locally produced Heckler & Koch G3A3 7.62×51mm rifles, Chinese Type 56 (AK-47 clone) and very small quantities of different small arms used by Special Forces.

The Czechs won a 2015-16 competition for this contract. The other finalists were the FN SCAR, Zastava M21, Beretta ARX-160/200 and Kalashnikov AK-103. The CZ-806 BREN 2 was introduced in 2015 as a new version of the CZ-805 BREN which has been used by the Czech army since 2011. The CZ-806 is upgraded version based on combat experience of Czech troops in Afghanistan. The CZ-806 is about 500 g (16 ounces) lighter than the 3.6 kg (7.9 pound) CZ-805. The CZ-086 is a lot easier to use and modular. That is the receiver/barrel assembly can easily be changed so the weapon can fire different rounds or more accurately because of a longer barrel. Moreover the rifle also features quick-change barrels, allowing to change calibers (between 5.56x45 NATO, 7.62x39 AK-47 ammunition) and barrel lengths according to the mission profile like its predecessor. This is especially interesting for Pakistani troops because they have a large stock of 7.62x39 ammunition. It should be noted that only two other competitors have this level of modularity: the Belgian FN SCAR and Italian Beretta ARX-160/200.

Another advantage the CZ-806 had was lower cost than both Western competitors while the Serbian and Russian weapons were not that big improvement over existing Chinese AK-47 copies widely used by Pakistani forces. The contract terms will apparently be similar to the current G3 license agreement. Thus the Czechs would first supply Pakistanis with parts kits for assembly and then later would come the needed know-how to allow for local production of components. If this deal is completed (nothing is certain with the Pakistanis) then it will become one of the biggest export contacts ever for a Czech small arms firm. -- Przemysław Juraszek

So what happened to the Scar? @Zarvan

 

[Zarvan]

Weapons: Czechs Win Pakistani 5.56mm Rifle Competition

December 21, 2016: In late November Pakistan selected a Czech firm (Česká Zbrojovka) to provide the technology and licenses so that half million CZ806 Bren 2 assault rifles could be manufactured in Pakistan. Currently Pakistan uses locally produced Heckler & Koch G3A3 7.62×51mm rifles, Chinese Type 56 (AK-47 clone) and very small quantities of different small arms used by Special Forces.

The Czechs won a 2015-16 competition for this contract. The other finalists were the FN SCAR, Zastava M21, Beretta ARX-160/200 and Kalashnikov AK-103. The CZ-806 BREN 2 was introduced in 2015 as a new version of the CZ-805 BREN which has been used by the Czech army since 2011. The CZ-806 is upgraded version based on combat experience of Czech troops in Afghanistan. The CZ-806 is about 500 g (16 ounces) lighter than the 3.6 kg (7.9 pound) CZ-805. The CZ-086 is a lot easier to use and modular. That is the receiver/barrel assembly can easily be changed so the weapon can fire different rounds or more accurately because of a longer barrel. Moreover the rifle also features quick-change barrels, allowing to change calibers (between 5.56x45 NATO, 7.62x39 AK-47 ammunition) and barrel lengths according to the mission profile like its predecessor. This is especially interesting for Pakistani troops because they have a large stock of 7.62x39 ammunition. It should be noted that only two other competitors have this level of modularity: the Belgian FN SCAR and Italian Beretta ARX-160/200.

Another advantage the CZ-806 had was lower cost than both Western competitors while the Serbian and Russian weapons were not that big improvement over existing Chinese AK-47 copies widely used by Pakistani forces. The contract terms will apparently be similar to the current G3 license agreement. Thus the Czechs would first supply Pakistanis with parts kits for assembly and then later would come the needed know-how to allow for local production of components. If this deal is completed (nothing is certain with the Pakistanis) then it will become one of the biggest export contacts ever for a Czech small arms firm. -- Przemysław Juraszek

Okay now I am ready to kill myself. Why I am having a feeling that Pakistan will produce three rifles now. @Horus What the bloody hell is going on here ? @balixd

So what happened to the Scar? @Zarvan

SCAR H is in competition for 7.62 X 51. We were not looking for 5.56 weapon in first place so article is wrong most probably

 

[fatman17]

Okay now I am ready to kill myself. Why I am having a feeling that Pakistan will produce three rifles now. @Horus What the bloody hell is going on here ? @balixd


SCAR H is in competition for 7.62 X 51. We were not looking for 5.56 weapon in first place so article is wrong most probably

Read article carefully.

 

[Amaa'n]

Okay now I am ready to kill myself. Why I am having a feeling that Pakistan will produce three rifles now. @Horus What the bloody hell is going on here ? @balixd


SCAR H is in competition for 7.62 X 51. We were not looking for 5.56 weapon in first place so article is wrong most probably

Molvi sab hosla, when i read your post i get afraid that the guy might get brain dead by the amount of stress hes taking.....relax..... & say Voooooooooo SAAAAAAAAAAA...........
Three different weapon systems, are you even in your senses??? (no offence intended )
as far as 556 & 762 x 39 is concerned then yes we were in trails for x39 round but when the deal is coming you never know with the modular design....remember PK08? we did try our hand with G3 in 5.56 but it failed.....your SOF / ATS needs 556 for Urban CT ops, so those can be handed down to them, SCAR- H though makes very little sense to me but will be for Front Line SOF units

 

[Zarvan]

Molvi sab hosla, when i read your post i get afraid that the guy might get brain dead by the amount of stress hes taking.....relax..... & say Voooooooooo SAAAAAAAAAAA...........
Three different weapon systems, are you even in your senses??? (no offence intended )
as far as 556 & 762 x 39 is concerned then yes we were in trails for x39 round but when the deal is coming you never know with the modular design....remember PK08? we did try our hand with G3 in 5.56 but it failed.....your SOF / ATS needs 556 for Urban CT ops, so those can be handed down to them, SCAR- H though makes very little sense to me but will be for Front Line SOF units

Sir we are not looking to replace SSG weapons. Also during testing what I know is SSG only tested it as part of formality main tests were done by infantry guys because we are looking to replace G3 with SCAR H or Berreta ARX 200. G3 is not used by SSG. @Horus says that from day one there were two tenders one for 7.62 X 39 caliber rifle and one for 7.62 X 51. He says that SCAR H and Berreta are competing for G3 replacement BREN was never in 7.62 X 51 tender but were part of 7.62 x 39

 

[Army research]

Sir we are not looking to replace SSG weapons. Also during testing what I know is SSG only tested it as part of formality main tests were done by infantry guys because we are looking to replace G3 with SCAR H or Berreta ARX 200. G3 is not used by SSG. @Horus says that from day one there were two tenders one for 7.62 X 39 caliber rifle and one for 7.62 X 51. He says that SCAR H and Berreta are competing for G3 replacement BREN was never in 7.62 X 51 tender but were part of 7.62 x 39

Read article according to it were shifting to 5.55 and 7.62 39 and produce half a million convertible rifles of the make of cz bren 8062

Read article according to it were shifting to 5.55 and 7.62 39 and produce half a million convertible rifles of the make of cz bren 8062

Quite a surprising move , it could be new version could also convert to 7.62 51 so for now initial sof rifle s in 5.56 and later conversion kits , zarvan bhai I too loved other guns but look at it rationally , what ever we get I'll still miss the g3

Weapons: Czechs Win Pakistani 5.56mm Rifle Competition

December 21, 2016: In late November Pakistan selected a Czech firm (Česká Zbrojovka) to provide the technology and licenses so that half million CZ806 Bren 2 assault rifles could be manufactured in Pakistan. Currently Pakistan uses locally produced Heckler & Koch G3A3 7.62×51mm rifles, Chinese Type 56 (AK-47 clone) and very small quantities of different small arms used by Special Forces.

The Czechs won a 2015-16 competition for this contract. The other finalists were the FN SCAR, Zastava M21, Beretta ARX-160/200 and Kalashnikov AK-103. The CZ-806 BREN 2 was introduced in 2015 as a new version of the CZ-805 BREN which has been used by the Czech army since 2011. The CZ-806 is upgraded version based on combat experience of Czech troops in Afghanistan. The CZ-806 is about 500 g (16 ounces) lighter than the 3.6 kg (7.9 pound) CZ-805. The CZ-086 is a lot easier to use and modular. That is the receiver/barrel assembly can easily be changed so the weapon can fire different rounds or more accurately because of a longer barrel. Moreover the rifle also features quick-change barrels, allowing to change calibers (between 5.56x45 NATO, 7.62x39 AK-47 ammunition) and barrel lengths according to the mission profile like its predecessor. This is especially interesting for Pakistani troops because they have a large stock of 7.62x39 ammunition. It should be noted that only two other competitors have this level of modularity: the Belgian FN SCAR and Italian Beretta ARX-160/200.

Another advantage the CZ-806 had was lower cost than both Western competitors while the Serbian and Russian weapons were not that big improvement over existing Chinese AK-47 copies widely used by Pakistani forces. The contract terms will apparently be similar to the current G3 license agreement. Thus the Czechs would first supply Pakistanis with parts kits for assembly and then later would come the needed know-how to allow for local production of components. If this deal is completed (nothing is certain with the Pakistanis) then it will become one of the biggest export contacts ever for a Czech small arms firm. -- Przemysław Juraszek

Sir is this confirmed ?

 

[fatman17]

Read article according to it were shifting to 5.55 and 7.62 39 and produce half a million convertible rifles of the make of cz bren 8062


Quite a surprising move , it could be new version could also convert to 7.62 51 so for now initial sof rifle s in 5.56 and later conversion kits , zarvan bhai I too loved other guns but look at it rationally , what ever we get I'll still miss the g3


Sir is this confirmed ?

Negotiations have started.

 

[Army research]

For 5.56 ?

 

[Rafi]

For 5.56 ?

Rifle is modular, and is designed to be multi calibre with minimum fuss and muss

 

[fatman17]

Rifle is modular, and is designed to be multi calibre with minimum fuss and muss

Thanks, that is the key to this deal.

 

[MystryMan]

Weapons: Czechs Win Pakistani 5.56mm Rifle Competition

December 21, 2016: In late November Pakistan selected a Czech firm (Česká Zbrojovka) to provide the technology and licenses so that half million CZ806 Bren 2 assault rifles could be manufactured in Pakistan. Currently Pakistan uses locally produced Heckler & Koch G3A3 7.62×51mm rifles, Chinese Type 56 (AK-47 clone) and very small quantities of different small arms used by Special Forces.

The Czechs won a 2015-16 competition for this contract. The other finalists were the FN SCAR, Zastava M21, Beretta ARX-160/200 and Kalashnikov AK-103. The CZ-806 BREN 2 was introduced in 2015 as a new version of the CZ-805 BREN which has been used by the Czech army since 2011. The CZ-806 is upgraded version based on combat experience of Czech troops in Afghanistan. The CZ-806 is about 500 g (16 ounces) lighter than the 3.6 kg (7.9 pound) CZ-805. The CZ-086 is a lot easier to use and modular. That is the receiver/barrel assembly can easily be changed so the weapon can fire different rounds or more accurately because of a longer barrel. Moreover the rifle also features quick-change barrels, allowing to change calibers (between 5.56x45 NATO, 7.62x39 AK-47 ammunition) and barrel lengths according to the mission profile like its predecessor. This is especially interesting for Pakistani troops because they have a large stock of 7.62x39 ammunition. It should be noted that only two other competitors have this level of modularity: the Belgian FN SCAR and Italian Beretta ARX-160/200.

Another advantage the CZ-806 had was lower cost than both Western competitors while the Serbian and Russian weapons were not that big improvement over existing Chinese AK-47 copies widely used by Pakistani forces. The contract terms will apparently be similar to the current G3 license agreement. Thus the Czechs would first supply Pakistanis with parts kits for assembly and then later would come the needed know-how to allow for local production of components. If this deal is completed (nothing is certain with the Pakistanis) then it will become one of the biggest export contacts ever for a Czech small arms firm. -- Przemysław Juraszek

This article mentions BREN as a winner for 5.56 n 7.62*3.9 category.
Does it means BREN has been selected and negotiations are on for the modalities of license production and TOT ?
Can you share the source of the article?

 

[fatman17]

This article mentions BREN as a winner for 5.56 n 7.62*3.9 category.
Does it means BREN has been selected and negotiations are on for the modalities of license production and TOT ?
Can you share the source of the article?

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