Pakistan Army Chief on visit to UAE

[The Eagle]

I will reiterate this again and again, our illiterate politicians in power are destroying our relationship in any way they can to the point the nations establishment has to step into it. They are fulfilling india's dream of isolation better than they could. A sorry state of affairs!

Indeed, when appointed office fails to do the needful then someone has to fill the gap and do the job. No surprise why RS was opposed and maligned for things due to personal grudge and political agenda yet this time, things to be unveiled soon. It could have been better than this if Politicians have the guts and competence but unfortunately, we are looking at totally current-less water from politicians side hence, there shouldn't be any complaint against Uniform if he steps-up due to the incompetence of politician. Seems like, it is all about our strategic affairs that currently corrupt lacks to address and Military has to jump-up or may be, what if positive visits are made before the possible/sooner change in Pakistan. Let's see where things goes.

 

[Winchester]

Lt Gen(R) Qadir Baloch during a seminar last week mentioned U.A.E as one of the countries creating disturbance in Balochistan.
Hopefully we can play hardball because playing soft with them hasn't worked..... Working on the Qatar angle along with Turkey is one of the things we can do....U.A.E and Qatar have their own little rivalry and we need to exploit this fear of the Emiratees.
The Emirates for its part still has a lot of cards to play when it comes to Pakistan, the first one being everyone in our political elite from Zardari to Ishaq Dar having their business interests based there.

 

[araz]

I have a valid point why go to Yemen and destroy relation with Iran and open a third front for the country. You cannot use diplomacy here this is do or die for GCC in Yemen. Just asses the situation first.

Even though I fully agree with you on the foolishnss of engaging in the Yemeni expedition, I disagree that it is going to do anything with regards to our relations with Iran. The mullahs will remain upto their tricks and need to be watched carefully. Pak-Iran relations have been on a downward spiral since the times of Shah of Iran and the likelihood of improvement in the near future are remote.

Dont go to yemen neither refuse them just sent few troops in the name of gaurding their borders enough.

Kid go to sleep subah school b jana hai

Shab ba khair.

How do you know this was not done? Not everything needs to come to the surface. You have a contract to safeguard Saudi soil in case of incursion. However, this does not include taking part in ridiculous ventures like Yemen with no clear outcomes in mind.
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[BHarwana]

Even though I fully agree with you on the foolishnss of engaging in the Yemeni expedition, I disagree that it is going to do anything with regards to our relations with Iran. The mullahs will remain upto their tricks and need to be watched carefully. Pak-Iran relations have been on a downward spiral since the times of Shah of Iran and the likelihood of improvement in the near future are remote.

The Baloch insurgents that India supported are both enemies of Pakistan and Iran. In Pakistan they were supported by India and in Iran they were supported by UAE, this has provided common ground for both Pakistan and Iran and thus brought the two countries together. This act is the reason Iran is going away from India and getting close to Pakistan and UAE is getting close to India.

 

[araz]

On what basis, you can say it was best decision?
How can Pakistan state afford to stand besides those terrorists, who are killing not only Arabs but also Pakistanis!
Obviously Pakistan's foreign offices is a full of sectarian filth, who have no concerns with Pakistan's profit or loss.
With passage of time it has been proven that Pakistan would never be able to recover from the losses it has incurred, may be Pakistan can never be in position to calculate the losses.
We could have won hundreds of jobs, investments, lead in regional alliance, political and military support against India/Iran.

I think the decision was the right one. Indulgence in a war that is not of our own making and has no clear cut end in mind is a risky and perhaps foolhardy venture. I know that few here cares for religion but one needs to read Islamic historyand hadeeth to see how muslims feared fighting with each other although these fights did unfortunatley occur.
What were the aims of the Yemen war? Apparently to dislodge the Hotis who are Shias from ruling over Yemen. The Yemeni ruler who is corrupt to the core is sitting in Saudia. Saudis are afraid that the influence of Yemeni Shias would give rise to an uprising in its eastern border where Shias live. There was no incursion into Saudi Soil prior to the Saudi led alliance starting the war.
All uprisings in effect are a result of discord with the rulers and have to be backed by the masses to succeed. So it is akin to Pakistan invading Iran after the take over of iran by the Ayatullahs on the basis of fear that the Shias will subsequently take over Pakistan after Ayatullahs rule Iran. You just have to see the outcome of the Iran Iraq war to see what that would have resulted in. The pattern of Saudi war was Air incursions by the SaudiAF and UAE AF followed by land incursion by the cannon fodder like Pakistani and Egyptian forces. So any loss of life would have come in your corner while the Shuyuukhs would have sat in the bunkers dringing Qahwa and gobbling baklava. The Egyptians did prvide some fodder but then backed out as they were facing problems internally as well.
your problem was that you had two fronts opened up one on which you are in active war, and another where you are on constant yellow alert. Previous experience of backing an incursion like US in Afghanistan has taught you that you always lose more than you gain. You got pittance and you lost trillions. Add to that the unrest which your enemies within would have grasped with both hands and legs and everything else that they could have mustered labelling you as Kuffar for waging war against fellow muslims and declaring Jehad on your cities would certainly have added colour to your lives---mostly red with a smattering of Brown and yellow from the lesscourageous from amongst us. Add to that the rhetoric that Iran would have racked up and the people that listen to the Ayatullahs as if they speak Gospel; even when you and I both know they are as corrupt as they comewould have created discord in the whole society including the armed forces.
So, in short based on reasons above the decision was a sound one. RS and NS did what any half decent PM and CASwould have done behingd the scenes in that they went and explained their situation in detail to the Saudis, ensured that it was clearly understood that PA remains steadfast in defending Saudi soil for which we have a contract with them and possibly also send saome forces/retired personnel for the job while CLEARLY on the surface abiding by the decision of hte parlianment by publically stating their resolve to not (openly) get involved in the yemeni conflict. No one had consulted us prior to announcing the coalition of forces so we cannot be blamed for not complying with their request(command really).
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The Baloch insurgents that India supported are both enemies of Pakistan and Iran. In Pakistan they were supported by India and in Iran they were supported by UAE, this has provided common ground for both Pakistan and Iran and thus brought the two countries together. This act is the reason Iran is going away from India and getting close to Pakistan and UAE is getting close to India.

I would disagree with you on that. The Baluchinsurgency would never have succeeded without support from iran and Afghanistan. The Problem of Iranian Baluchistan is another story and they are being persecuted on account of being sunnis. However for the moment let us not go into that. Irrespective of Pakistani support there would have been trouble in Iranian Baluchistan. Most of those people unfortunately survive by being a conduit for spices and drugs being smuggled both ways. It is said that the officers of theLevvies in Baluchistan are one of the richest people in the army and you now know the reason for it (You may remember the incidence of the 2 officers dying in their boss's son's Farrari). They are just diverting attention by blaming pakistan. Iran has gone away from India as much as an infant goes away from the breast from which it suckles. This is shambolic to assume that they are going away from Indiaas India is getting into Char bahar project and other trade deals are on with Iran.I would not trust the Ayatullahs as far as I can throw a stone and I am getting on a bit if you know what I mean.
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There maybe be a connection between the bombing in which UAE ambassador and others died in Afghanistan and subsequent blasts in Pakistan. UAE is not playing a good game in Afghanistan.

Intersting. Can you elaborate a bit more. Help appreciated in advance.
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[BHarwana]

I would disagree with you on that. The Baluchinsurgency would never have succeeded without support from iran and Afghanistan. The Problem of Iranian Baluchistan is another story and they are being persecuted on account of being sunnis. However for the moment let us not go into that. Irrespective of Pakistani support there would have been trouble in Iranian Baluchistan. Most of those people unfortunately survive by being a conduit for spices and drugs being smuggled both ways. It is said that the officers of theLevvies in Baluchistan are one of the richest people in the army and you now know the reason for it (You may remember the incidence of the 2 officers dying in their boss's son's Farrari). They are just diverting attention by blaming pakistan. Iran has gone away from India as much as an infant goes away from the breast from which it suckles. This is shambolic to assume that they are going away from Indiaas India is getting into Char bahar project and other trade deals are on with Iran.I would not trust the Ayatullahs as far as I can throw a stone and I am getting on a bit if you know what I mean.
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Well I would not disagree with you but I would say you are totally wrong as the Balochistan insurgency is only supported by India in Pakistan and by UAE in Iran. Iran has been hunting them longer than Pakistan they are a bigger problem to Iran than Pakistan. Pakistan has also extradited the leader of this insurgency to Iran and they executed him and Only UAE and India will benefit from this actions so. These insurgence have been fighting Irani Gov for independence longer than they have fought Pakistan.

Pakistan is Iran's neighbour, sharing borders of its Balochistan which is base of Baloch nationalist separatist groups. These Pakistani Baloch militia groups are allied with Iranian groups. Iran and Pakistan historically have a strategic alliance fighting these groups. However, Iran has accused Pakistan of supporting insurgency in Iran several times. In February 2014 the two states signed a pact sharing responsibility for combating militants operating across the border.[3] According to a former U.S. intelligence officer, Jundallah leader Abdolmalek Rigi was captured by Pakistani officials and delivered to Iran

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistan_and_Baluchestan_insurgency

 

[Arsalan]

On what basis, you can say it was best decision?
How can Pakistan state afford to stand besides those terrorists, who are killing not only Arabs but also Pakistanis!
Obviously Pakistan's foreign offices is a full of sectarian filth, who have no concerns with Pakistan's profit or loss.
With passage of time it has been proven that Pakistan would never be able to recover from the losses it has incurred, may be Pakistan can never be in position to calculate the losses.
We could have won hundreds of jobs, investments, lead in regional alliance, political and military support against India/Iran.

WHAT?
Who are you talking about?
I am not aware of any Yemen Houthis involved in terrorist activities inside Pakistan! It is the arab backed talibs and their off-shoots TTP that are the problem here. Getting involved in Yemen would only have opened a new front and most probably, a sectarian war!

 

[BHarwana]

UAE is financing the terrorist inside my country and supporting Indian agenda.

 

[araz]

Well I would not disagree with you but I would say you are totally wrong as the Balochistan insurgency is only supported by India in Pakistan and by UAE in Iran. Iran has been hunting them longer than Pakistan they are a bigger problem to Iran than Pakistan. Pakistan has also extradited the leader of this insurgency to Iran and they executed him and Only UAE and India will benefit from this actions so. These insurgence have been fighting Irani Gov for independence longer than they have fought Pakistan.

Pakistan is Iran's neighbour, sharing borders of its Balochistan which is base of Baloch nationalist separatist groups. These Pakistani Baloch militia groups are allied with Iranian groups. Iran and Pakistan historically have a strategic alliance fighting these groups. However, Iran has accused Pakistan of supporting insurgency in Iran several times. In February 2014 the two states signed a pact sharing responsibility for combating militants operating across the border.[3] According to a former U.S. intelligence officer, Jundallah leader Abdolmalek Rigi was captured by Pakistani officials and delivered to Iran

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistan_and_Baluchestan_insurgency

India acts through Iranian border to fuel insurgency. If not directly complicit, the mullahs are guilty of turning a blind eye to Indian shinanigans. Afghan border in proximity to Pak is watched a lot more closely than the Iranian border due to presumed threat level. Remember how Kulbhasan Yadav entered pakistan?
I have already mentioned why there is a problem in Iranian Baluchistan. It is the doing of the Mullahs themselves. You do know that inside iran no Salah can be openly led by a sunni. this is the state of their bigotry.
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[BHarwana]

India acts through Iranian border to fuel insurgency. If not directly complicit, the mullahs are guilty of turning a blind eye to Indian shinanigans. Afghan border in proximity to Pak is watched a lot more closely than the Iranian border due to presumed threat level. Remember how Kulbhasan Yadav entered pakistan?
I have already mentioned why there is a problem in Iranian Baluchistan. It is the doing of the Mullahs themselves. You do know that inside iran no Salah can be openly led by a sunni. this is the state of their bigotry.
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Look entering from a country is not a proof people can use many countries for transits but the proof is the financial trail and that goes to UAE and India.

 

[araz]

Look entering from a country is not a proof people can use many countries for transits but the proof is the financial trail and that goes to UAE and India.

I merely quoted one example of use of Iranian territory for activities inside Pakistan. without going into details I stand by my assertions that the mullahs of iran are not to be trusted and we should steer clear of them. As a matter of principle I agree that it should be "steer away from ALL non national entities" be they the mullah of Iran and Saudi or the sheikhs of UAE,Qatar,or Kuwait. Our national interests should be first and foremost. At the same time if we have a pact we should abide by it.
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[BHarwana]

I merely quoted one example of use of Iranian territory for activities inside Pakistan. without going into details I stand by my assertions that the mullahs of iran are not to be trusted and we should steer clear of them. As a matter of principle I agree that it should be "steer away from ALL non national entities" be they the mullah of Iran and Saudi or the sheikhs of UAE,Qatar,or Kuwait. Our national interests should be first and foremost. At the same time if we have a pact we should abide by it.
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This is the place I would agree with you 100%.

 

[Windjammer]

Here's a detailed report on the Chief's visit to Dubai, can someone translate what's being said.
@Khafee , Haza ya Rafiuque,

 

[Path-Finder]

I merely quoted one example of use of Iranian territory for activities inside Pakistan. without going into details I stand by my assertions that the mullahs of iran are not to be trusted and we should steer clear of them. As a matter of principle I agree that it should be "steer away from ALL non national entities" be they the mullah of Iran and Saudi or the sheikhs of UAE,Qatar,or Kuwait. Our national interests should be first and foremost. At the same time if we have a pact we should abide by it.
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We cannot trust anyone be it Mullahs of Iran or the GCC they are both playing cloak and dagger. We must accept that apart from keeping a healthy balanced relationship we have to put our interests first which we are now forcefully having to do. Our elders careless attitude of being overtly friendly and defending others points of views was only beneficial to these gulf players mostly and not us! Now things are shifting geopolitical and strategic interests have changed almost overnight. But as I reiterate we have illiterate clowns in government who don't even know what words like geopolitical and strategic mean, they only know money laundering and buying flats abroad and buying votes from the public.

Indeed, when appointed office fails to do the needful then someone has to fill the gap and do the job. No surprise why RS was opposed and maligned for things due to personal grudge and political agenda yet this time, things to be unveiled soon. It could have been better than this if Politicians have the guts and competence but unfortunately, we are looking at totally current-less water from politicians side hence, there shouldn't be any complaint against Uniform if he steps-up due to the incompetence of politician. Seems like, it is all about our strategic affairs that currently corrupt lacks to address and Military has to jump-up or may be, what if positive visits are made before the possible/sooner change in Pakistan. Let's see where things goes.

All foreign dignitaries or ambassadors go straight to GHQ and bypass the clowns in the gov if they have serious issue to discuss. That ought to be a slap on the faces of these politicians, they are not even taken seriously. their value is only a photo/video session for the sake of optics.

 

[The Eagle]

All foreign dignitaries or ambassadors go straight to GHQ and bypass the clowns in the gov if they have serious issue to discuss. That ought to be a slap on the faces of these politicians, they are not even taken seriously. their value is only a photo/video session for the sake of optics.

A notable pattern indeed but could be due to Pakistan's efforts in War on Terrorism which are globally praised and acknowledged. So also, might indicate about the strategic affairs and new friendship in region that invites many to discuss such matters however, all in all, the subject remains our WoT. Rest about diplomatic office, it needs some power packs and smart decision making guts that too in-time on short notice due to continuous change in geo-politics as well as the rival's extending propaganda. Yet, few politicians are busy to save their own skin due to Court trials and cases based upon money laundering and corruption hence, cannot pay much attention to the subject which is beyond their capacity too. BTW, COAS is back and met Ishaq Dar.