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Mig 35 or SU 35 both are awesome machine with these we can have complete air superiority in air our navy cant afford aircraft carrier but can but its own air fighter jets in war time india will send its entire navy to khi giving current pn inventory india will get easily in shores of khi
It is nice to have MI35s but shall be not a rational decission to get SU35 or Mig 35, as these platforms will be highly capital intensive require more overhaul/ other issues. Further India shal get all knowledge abt their frequencies,radars, ew capabilities so may prove to be harmful for PN rather than asset. It is much better to get plat forms of equal performance like J11b or J16 in near future if engine issues are resolved.
 
Early delivery of 3 Chinese Z-10s to Pakistan an attempt to outperform Russia

Staff Reporter 2015-06-26 11:56

Recently a photograph of three Chinese-made CAIC Z-10 attack helicopters delivered to Pakistan has been circulating online, according to Sina's military news website.

This has led to comparisons between Chinese and Russian weapons systems online. In certain traditional fields, the Russian defense industry has a clear advantage, according to the website. Its Soviet legacy and its efforts in research and development put Russia at the forefront of the international weapons market, the article said. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute ranking, Russia is the second biggest weapons exporter, as it exports weapons to 56 countries. Its weapon exports to India, China and Algeria make up 60% of the country's total weapon exports.

China is a relative newcomer to the global weapons market, but it is now the third biggest defense exporter. The weapons it exports include the CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder fighter, the PLZ-45 155 mm self-propelled howitzer and the C series of anti-ship missiles. The reason for the rapid growth in its weapons exports is China's rapid economic rise, which has fueled the modernization of the armed forces, according to the website. This has allowed certain Chinese weapon systems to be able to compete with Russian weapons in the international market.

One of the clearest examples of this is Pakistan's purchase of Z-10 attack helicopters from China. China has already handed over three of the helicopters to Pakistan, according to US-based military affairs news site Strategy Page. The three helicopters have been provided to Pakistan in advance, to allow them to trial the helicopter. Pakistan will buy 17 Z-10 helicopters and before the end of the year, Pakistan will receive another two. Providing weapon systems at so early a stage in a deal is almost unheard of in the weapons trade and shows that China is keen to compete with Russia for customers. Pakistan is the first country to buy the helicopter from China.

The Pakistani media has speculated that the country also wishes to purchase Chinese Jin-class Type 094 nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines.

Pakistan has extended an olive branch to Russia after the Chinese helicopter purchase, however, as a report in IHS Jane's Defence Weekly from Oct. 26, 2014 stated that Russia and Pakistan have signed a contract to enhance cooperation on military purchases. Under the terms of the agreement, Russia will provide Pakistan with 20 Mi-35 attack helicopters. The two countries may also reach deals on the Pantsyr-S1 short to medium range surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery weapon system, the Mi-28E all weather attack helicopter and the 9K37 Buk Grizzly missile system.

Pakistan plans to use helicopters purchased from China and Russia at the same time.

Several weapons systems currently in service with the Pakistan Armed Forces were developed jointly by both China and Pakistan, including the CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder fighter, main battle tanks, F-22P Zulfiquar-class frigates, and Azmat-class fast attack crafts. Contracts for several others are set to be signed soon, including a deal for an upgrade to the F-22P, a deal for eight of the export version of China's Type 039A Yuan-class diesel-electric submarine, and another on China's Type 022 missile boat.

Russia, for its part, appears to be attempting to move in on China's traditional clientele, including Thailand, Myanmar and Pakistan. This has coincided with certain issues over weapons deals between Russia and China. One in particular concerns the Zubr-class air-cushioned landing craft (LCAC). China originally signed a deal with Ukraine for two of the landing craft, while two others were set to be built within China. After Russia annexed Crimea, however, there was some confusion as to whether the deal would go ahead and if it would be filled by Ukraine or by Russia. The issue was just resolved recently, when Russia agreed to take over the contract.

Production on the JF-17 Thunder Block 2 began at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra in September 2013 and three aircraft have already come off the production line. The first Block 2 aircraft completed its maiden flight on Feb. 9. The Pakistan Air Force plans to buy 50 of the upgraded fighters. The biggest difference between Block 1 and Block 2 fighters is that the latter is equipped with a mid-air refueling system. This has boosted the export potential of the JF-17. The avionics of the Block 2 fighters have also been improved, which allows it to work more efficiently with the KLJ-7 X band airborne fire-control radar.
 

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the media has been misunderstanding I dont believe we are getting all 3 Attack choppers. the race is going on between 3 but zulu is only offered in my opinion if Pakistan is to reject mi 35. max only 2 different types will be conducted. China might win the race overall and Pak might only go for z10. doesnt seem to fit well if 3 choppers are selected sorry but that mean 3 new choppers new headache of tri maintenance facilities.
 
the media has been misunderstanding I dont believe we are getting all 3 Attack choppers. the race is going on between 3 but zulu is only offered in my opinion if Pakistan is to reject mi 35. max only 2 different types will be conducted. China might win the race overall and Pak might only go for z10. doesnt seem to fit well if 3 choppers are selected sorry but that mean 3 new choppers new headache of tri maintenance facilities.

Mi-35 induction is separate from the Cobra replacement selection. They will be inducted in small numbers for counter insurgency operations. 4 are confirmed, as per reports/rumors final number could go upto 20. Since they have systems/parts in common with the Mi-17 they will be easier to maintain. At the moment Mi-17s and Bell 412s often need a Cobra escort which strains the gunship fleet. The Mi-35 wont need escorts.

The Cobra replacement contenders are Mi-28, T-129, Z-10 & AH-1Z Viper. Mi-28, T-129 seem eliminated. AH-1Z was preferred by PA and it had put in a request for them but that was at a time when no other viable gunship was available. Z-10s seem to have a high probability for a large induction order.
 
the media has been misunderstanding I dont believe we are getting all 3 Attack choppers. the race is going on between 3 but zulu is only offered in my opinion if Pakistan is to reject mi 35. max only 2 different types will be conducted. China might win the race overall and Pak might only go for z10. doesnt seem to fit well if 3 choppers are selected sorry but that mean 3 new choppers new headache of tri maintenance facilities.

The zulu deal is done with or without what we buy from Russia. In the long run the Z 10 may win over if it meets PAA requirements. At the moment the Mi 35 deal is for the ANF but for all intents and purposes the PAA will operate them once delivered. The Cobra saga is not over especially when a overhaul facility is being set up in pakistan.
 
The zulu deal is done with or without what we buy from Russia. In the long run the Z 10 may win over if it meets PAA requirements. At the moment the Mi 35 deal is for the ANF but for all intents and purposes the PAA will operate them once delivered. The Cobra saga is not over especially when a overhaul facility is being set up in pakistan.
Sir fatman.
Any NEWS on how the trials of z10 went with the PAA. Input would be appreciated. If Hkhan of pakdef.info is to be believed then PAA is going for 20 MI 35, 15+ Zulus and in excess of 50 Z10. Z10 will be acquired in batches but the Zulu numbers will depend on the willingness of both our pockets and the US.
Araz
 
This really baffles me, why is the Army going for 3 different helo types at the same time in almost identical numbers...
 
Sir fatman.
Any NEWS on how the trials of z10 went with the PAA. Input would be appreciated. If Hkhan of pakdef.info is to be believed then PAA is going for 20 MI 35, 15+ Zulus and in excess of 50 Z10. Z10 will be acquired in batches but the Zulu numbers will depend on the willingness of both our pockets and the US.
Araz

I have no news on the Z10 evaluation. As I said the Zulu deal is done as confirmed by the manufacturer CEO at Paris AS. The Z10 number sounds outlandish. The Mi35 number sounds right as it can multi role as a transport.
 

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