Pakistan Army APC Inventory

[DavidSling]

I'm not sure what year that is from but the ones I've seen recently usually have a cage.
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In my opinion PA should start converting some of these to MRLS and start obtaining Stryker like or BMP type APCs. The blitzkrieg APC is a start, hopefully they can improve in it.

As seen by Israel, those stuff are death traps, better start get some advance APC with APS

 

[Super Falcon]

We need wheeled APC ifv

 

[JK!]

As seen by Israel, those stuff are death traps, better start get some advance APC with APS

As a country that formerly used M113s what have they transitioned to as standard?

You guys operate some phenomenal tank based APCs but I gather these are primarily used by engineer teams or for COIN ops.

We need wheeled APC ifv

Both are needed. Mechanised divisions are better suited for wheeled systems and heavy armoured divisions need tracked vehicles

 

[DavidSling]

As a country that formerly used M113s what have they transitioned to as standard?

You guys operate some phenomenal tank based APCs but I gather these are primarily used by engineer teams or for COIN ops.

Still transitioning, a long way to go

Namer - 60 Ton APC

Eitan - 30 Ton APC

Both with Trophy APC

M113's are old and CANT handle today's threats.
Even bullets can penetrate those junk vehicles

 

[Inception-06]

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NOTICE the cage in THIS PICTURES is only on one side of the APC . I know all this pictures very well !

 

[That Guy]

As seen by Israel, those stuff are death traps, better start get some advance APC with APS

To be fair, they're better than the pickup trucks that PA still uses, and has been trying to get rid of.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Still transitioning, a long way to go

Namer - 60 Ton APC

Eitan - 30 Ton APC

Both with Trophy APC

M113's are old and CANT handle today's threats.
Even bullets can penetrate those junk vehicles

An uparmoured M113 or a better armoured and more powerful Saad/Hamza is still better than a BMP-1/2 used by our adversary.

ATGM,30MM canon,MANPAD equipped variants are also in service.


An IFV similiar to Bradley or Turkish M-113 upgrade was also tested in the past.

any news of ATV usage in mountains or along LOC?

Yes, have posted pics of PA using ATVs in FATA & southern Panjab/Sindh during exercises.

The one shown at IDEAS is also in service but not widespread.

 

[Rocky rock]

NOTICE the cage in THIS PICTURES is only on one side of the APC . I know all this pictures very well !

Why don't you guy's think these APC's are thousand time better than Hilux trucks.
COUGAR is doing fine in special operations.
Yea we need to induct something to replace Hilux asap as they are death trap for soldier's.

 

[razgriz19]

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Given the large number of M113A2 APCs in Pakistani service I'm hoping a future Turkish a Pakistani project can be to bring these up to this M113A4 standard. The laminate appliqué armour alone would be worth it. Seen too many pictures of Pakistani APCs using hillbilly additional armour i.e. Sandbags packed in cages.

https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/product/m113-modernization

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For those that don't understand the term "hill billy armour" this is what I mean.

The hill billy armour works for small fire and is probably more effective against heavy rounds and rpg-7.
M113 barely has any armour, plus it's expensive to keep replacing it. So why not burn a bit mire gas and use hill billy armour which is dirt cheap. Literally.

 

[fatman17]

I'm not sure what year that is from but the ones I've seen recently usually have a cage.
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In my opinion PA should start converting some of these to MRLS and start obtaining Stryker like or BMP type APCs. The blitzkrieg APC is a start, hopefully they can improve in it.

good protection against small arms fire but militants have RPG7s and these could pose a problem. Pakistan has imported Italian M113s with improved self protection.

 

[Inception-06]

An uparmoured M113 or a better armoured and more powerful Saad/Hamza is still better than a BMP-1/2 used by our adversary.
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ATGM,30MM canon,MANPAD equipped variants are also in service.


An IFV similiar to Bradley or Turkish M-113 upgrade was also tested in the past.



Yes, have posted pics of PA using ATVs in FATA & southern Panjab/Sindh during exercises.

The one shown at IDEAS is also in service but not widespread.

All Indian BMPs are equipped with 30mm gun, they have more firepower and have the same protection as M-113, what makes it inferior?

 

[JK!]

The hill billy armour works for small fire and is probably more effective against heavy rounds and rpg-7.
M113 barely has any armour, plus it's expensive to keep replacing it. So why not burn a bit mire gas and use hill billy armour which is dirt cheap. Literally.

It's a short term solution and really only applicable for the COIN ops Pakistan is undertaking. It's going to affect the mobility capabilities of the vehicle and is unsuitable in the scenario of conventional war fighting.

@DESERT FIGHTER

The Hamza armoured vehicle is a terrible design in terms of crew safety and accessibility. Not in terms of armour itself but crew access. Please see the story in this link for an idea of what I am referring to:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/24/four-british-soldiers-killed-afghanistan

From the photos posted by myself and other members yes HIT have the ability to produced bolt on armour kits for the M113 but it is not standard issue service wide and troops are resorting to hillbilly armour.

When it was found US troops were having to do this in Iraq it caused a scandal in Congress that they were sending their guys out in vehicles not fit for purpose hence the subsequent MRAP Programs for the Marine Corps and Army.

The Dragoon vehicle is more an Internal Security/policing vehicle and Raad is a light recce vehicle. The Hamza 30mm cannon is not in service and was developed as an export product.

As @fatman17 has mentioned the Italian VCC 2 vehicles is service have come with their additional armour upgrades which is an appliqué layer of steel and bolt on armour which has Israeli origins that the Italians made their own. It's the kind of solution that the army needs for its M113 fleet which comes back to my original point. Is there a long term plan to bring these APCs up to a better standard?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It's a short term solution and really only applicable for the COIN ops Pakistan is undertaking. It's going to affect the mobility capabilities of the vehicle and is unsuitable in the scenario of conventional war fighting.

@DESERT FIGHTER

The Hamza armoured vehicle is a terrible design in terms of crew safety and accessibility. Not in terms of armour itself but crew access. Please see the story in this link for an idea of what I am referring to:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/24/four-british-soldiers-killed-afghanistan

From the photos posted by myself and other members yes HIT have the ability to produced bolt on armour kits for the M113 but it is not standard issue service wide and troops are resorting to hillbilly armour.

When it was found US troops were having to do this in Iraq it caused a scandal in Congress that they were sending their guys out in vehicles not fit for purpose hence the subsequent MRAP Programs for the Marine Corps and Army.

The Dragoon vehicle is more an Internal Security/policing vehicle and Raad is a light recce vehicle. The Hamza 30mm cannon is not in service and was developed as an export product.

As @fatman17 has mentioned the Italian VCC 2 vehicles is service have come with their additional armour upgrades which is an appliqué layer of steel and bolt on armour which has Israeli origins that the Italians made their own. It's the kind of solution that the army needs for its M113 fleet which comes back to my original point. Is there a long term plan to bring these APCs up to a better standard?

The hillbilly armour is from 2007 Swat operations.

Now they are using cage armour and add on.

 

[JK!]

The hillbilly armour is from 2007 Swat operations.

Now they are using cage armour and add on.

Man I hope so or these Jawans are basically operating in mobile coffins.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Man I hope so or these Jawans are basically operating in mobile coffins.

Pakistani soldiers patrol during the curfew in the restive Swat valley, Pakistan, 18 August 2008


They learnt their lesson the hard way.

And that's why they started rolling out APCs with cage armour etc in conflict areas.

And even inducted a few hundred MRAPS.