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Uro Vamtac was demonstrated in the ideas expo as well as part of tender but it didnt meet the terms i guess , then in ideas 2018 the kia kltv was demonstrated but that wasnt choosen either , long process ,
Its very expensive, we choose him but have to reduce the number ordered. With the modifications we asked it was even more expensive. That must be one of the reasons for no selection.
BUT the result was a very reliavel and strong machine. We whouldnt choose better.
Next we will receive L-ATV becouse its cheaper.
This is what appened in Afganistan to Portuguese Hummer
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Staff Sergent Roma Pereira died in this attack

After being uparmoured in Israel, this is the result after ambush in CAR (no casualties)
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New Toys
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Difference
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Problem is that no one taking it seriously. Life of our brothers soldiers (which are our actual strength) does not matter in most of the decisions maker.

Remember these soldiers are not single they have families to feed.

When ever we lost a soldiers we are down by one true Pakistani warrior that lost life for his country and there family lost everything

The PA doesn’t seem to care about the well-being of its troops. They continue to be targeted in IED attacks when properly equipped IFVs are available.
 
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The PA doesn’t seem to care about the well-being of its troops. They continue to be targeted in IED attacks when properly equipped IFVs are available.
1. You clearly dont understand the security situation in Balochistan , most attacks are being done on soldiers doing logistics , there was even a attack on a water truck near the city of quetta i mean last month ,
2. Lets say the PA equips all of its units with IFVs and armored vehicles , what would be the next case of action , the BLA would probably improvise and use bigger ied's which then again can blow up mraps as we have seen in Afghanistan , and the bla would also end up getting atgm,s just how ttp got limited numbers of milan's from indian retards ( who happen to have closed the kandahar consulate today :) since they are running for there life in Afghanistan now )
3. There is a massive crackdown underway since past few weeks , the peace on loc has given a oppurtunity to get things right and it seems to be happening that way , ( see IK meeting Bugti's and IK saying that they are willing to do peace talks with the bla ) , and as we know doing peace talks is the stanard PA doctorine before it uses a hammer just like before Zarb e azab we offered peace talks .
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The PA doesn’t seem to care about the well-being of its troops. They continue to be targeted in IED attacks when properly equipped IFVs are available.
Unless you’re willing to pay for the heavily armored IFVs then we won’t really see a change in that. PA was far too slow to adopt MRAPs for IED protection yes, but most of the recent attacks are ambushes on posts. And not even MRAPs and IFVs will save you from anti-armor weapons these guys are getting from their foreign suppliers and facilitators…
In other news PA is testing several modern APC systems to deploy in Baluchistan soon, hopefully one is procured ASAP.
 
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Unless you’re willing to pay for the heavily armored IFVs then we won’t really see a change in that. PA was far too slow to adopt MRAPs for IED protection yes, but most of the recent attacks are ambushes on posts. And not even MRAPs and IFVs will save you from anti-armor weapons these guys are getting from their foreign suppliers and facilitators…
In other news PA is testing several modern APC systems to deploy in Baluchistan soon, hopefully one is procured ASAP.

PA has been “testing” for the past two decades and nothing have happened.
 
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1. You clearly dont understand the security situation in Balochistan , most attacks are being done on soldiers doing logistics , there was even a attack on a water truck near the city of quetta i mean last month ,
2. Lets say the PA equips all of its units with IFVs and armored vehicles , what would be the next case of action , the BLA would probably improvise and use bigger ied's which then again can blow up mraps as we have seen in Afghanistan , and the bla would also end up getting atgm,s just how ttp got limited numbers of milan's from indian retards ( who happen to have closed the kandahar consulate today :) since they are running for there life in Afghanistan now )
3. There is a massive crackdown underway since past few weeks , the peace on loc has given a oppurtunity to get things right and it seems to be happening that way , ( see IK meeting Bugti's and IK saying that they are willing to do peace talks with the bla ) , and as we know doing peace talks is the stanard PA doctorine before it uses a hammer just like before Zarb e azab we offered peace talks .
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TTP has Milans.WTH.
And whats in the pic you posted?
Unless you’re willing to pay for the heavily armored IFVs then we won’t really see a change in that. PA was far too slow to adopt MRAPs for IED protection yes, but most of the recent attacks are ambushes on posts. And not even MRAPs and IFVs will save you from anti-armor weapons these guys are getting from their foreign suppliers and facilitators…
In other news PA is testing several modern APC systems to deploy in Baluchistan soon, hopefully one is procured ASAP.
Well I have not seen ATGMS or other anto armor equipment.
I have only seen anti armour RPG 7 projectiles with them.
 
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1. You clearly dont understand the security situation in Balochistan , most attacks are being done on soldiers doing logistics , there was even a attack on a water truck near the city of quetta i mean last month ,
2. Lets say the PA equips all of its units with IFVs and armored vehicles , what would be the next case of action , the BLA would probably improvise and use bigger ied's which then again can blow up mraps as we have seen in Afghanistan , and the bla would also end up getting atgm,s just how ttp got limited numbers of milan's from indian retards ( who happen to have closed the kandahar consulate today :) since they are running for there life in Afghanistan now )
3. There is a massive crackdown underway since past few weeks , the peace on loc has given a oppurtunity to get things right and it seems to be happening that way , ( see IK meeting Bugti's and IK saying that they are willing to do peace talks with the bla ) , and as we know doing peace talks is the stanard PA doctorine before it uses a hammer just like before Zarb e azab we offered peace talks .
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Attacks aren’t happening in Baluchistan alone, they are also happening in the tribal belt areas. And not all attacks are on bases, actually if militants are attacking military bases, it’s much worse than anyone could have imagined. It mean attacks are no longer hit and run, ambush type engagements but rather the militants own the initiative and can attack the military inside their bases. Again, much worse situation.

pakistan army has been slow to react to the militancy threat and thus has given them the space to reorganize and reassert themselves.

Yes, better IFVs will absolutely help and reduce the causality rates being exerted on PA personal.
 
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TTP has Milans.WTH.
And whats in the pic you posted?

Well I have not seen ATGMS or other anto armor equipment.
I have only seen anti armour RPG 7 projectiles with them.
Anti armor RPG projectiles will tear through MRAPS, APCs and most IFVS apart from the most expensive ones. All these vehicles are meant for small arms protection. They also have SPG-9s. Both of these weapons will even go through modern tank armor unless fired at the front.
 
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Attacks aren’t happening in Baluchistan alone, they are also happening in the tribal belt areas. And not all attacks are on bases, actually if militants are attacking military bases, it’s much worse than anyone could have imagined. It mean attacks are no longer hit and run, ambush type engagements but rather the militants own the initiative and can attack the military inside their bases. Again, much worse situation.

pakistan army has been slow to react to the militancy threat and thus has given them the space to reorganize and reassert themselves.

Yes, better IFVs will absolutely help and reduce the causality rates being exerted on PA personal.
The tribal belt attacks are cross border…and again, if you’re ready to pay for heavy IFVs, contact GHQ. I know it’s pathetic to put a value on the life of a soldier, but that’s the reality of the world.
And no, them attacking “bases” is nothing new, because they’re not bases, they’re far out checkpoints in areas where it’s difficult to get the soldiers support. It’s not like our enemy isn’t well funded.
It just shows you haven’t taken the time to study what’s actually going on in these regions. What are they gonna “hit and run” exactly? The convoy or patrol covered by the attack helicopters? Did you see what happened a week ago when they tried that?
Of course they will go for the few isolated soldiers they can pick off. Have you seen the amount of casualties suffered by the US army in Afghanistan and other such regions? They are the best equipped army in the world and it does them no good at all. Also many of the men we lose are lost in Ops…

Again, i feel extremely pathetic to be trying to justify the loss of our men, but we don’t know the reality of what it’s like in those areas, and if the world was ideal I would give them all the equipment I possibly could, Drones, Heavy IFVS, you name it, but it wouldn’t change the precarious situation on the ground.…as is shown by every counter-insurgency op in the world, Wether it be from a well funded army or a poorly funded one.

PA leadership and the generals have obviously shown incompetency and made mistakes in the past too, they are human after all, some of them are corrupt/incompetent by nature as well, but they’re not the main issue here. Pakistanis are barking up the wrong tree in regards to this problem. We give our troops IFVs and then what? The terrorists just stop? No, they will find ways to counter that, because until the government, the people and the traitors inside the nation stop selling out our troops to the enemy, both local and foreign, nothing will ever change. The PA cannot shoot this problem away or use armor to defend itself from it until it is killed from the root. Something which a Jawan or a general doesn’t control, but the entire nation does, and the nation is certainly not doing itself any favors currently. That’s what we should all he complaining about and trying to fix. Not drones and IFVs, they are a temporary solution…

I swear Pakistanis are the only nation which fight a war and expect only the enemy side to lose soldiers.
 
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TTP has Milans.WTH.
And whats in the pic you posted?

Well I have not seen ATGMS or other anto armor equipment.
I have only seen anti armour RPG 7 projectiles with them.
Thats a Indian Milan ATGM Container captured from TTP on display , image is flipped upside down ,
Attacks aren’t happening in Baluchistan alone, they are also happening in the tribal belt areas. And not all attacks are on bases, actually if militants are attacking military bases, it’s much worse than anyone could have imagined. It mean attacks are no longer hit and run, ambush type engagements but rather the militants own the initiative and can attack the military inside their bases. Again, much worse situation.

pakistan army has been slow to react to the militancy threat and thus has given them the space to reorganize and reassert themselves.

Yes, better IFVs will absolutely help and reduce the causality rates being exerted on PA personal.
Where in tribal belt ? Only attacks there are cross border firing ones at check points or ambush style attacks without ieds on patrols near border with Afghanistan ,



To Siffar zero , you should take a look at regional telegraph news , they share stuff that is still being captured from hidden ammo dumps and that contain everything from SPG to 120mm mortar to 107mm Chinese rockets that are fired from tripod
 
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Thats a Indian Milan ATGM Container captured from TTP on display , image is flipped upside down ,

Where in tribal belt ? Only attacks there are cross border firing ones at check points or ambush style attacks without ieds on patrols near border with Afghanistan ,



To Siffar zero , you should take a look at regional telegraph news , they share stuff that is still being captured from hidden ammo dumps and that contain everything from SPG to 120mm mortar to 107mm Chinese rockets that are fired from tripod
Can you share a link to Regional Telegraph?
 
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Pakistan need to go for these from Turkey to replace there M-113...
 
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Have to justify the purchase for conventional ops too, PA doesn’t have unlimited money sadly, otherwise turkish and South African MRAPs are easy options, the latter of which we already operate.
Anything is better than a hilux so we should be happy with any such purchase.
Truck based MRAPs bro. They can also work wonderfully in conventional ops.

US military has decided to adipt the JLTV which is essentially what happens when a humvee and a maxxpro have a child together.

Better examples are by Renault and Russians. Just google truck based MRAP you'll find it.
Discontinuing Yasoob was a huge mistake
My thoughts exactly.
 
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