Pakistan Army and Indian Strategy – An Analysis

[Stephen Cohen]

Doesn't really matter whether it's Manmohan or Modi, the only difference is Modi looks to increase his vote bank by chest thumping and war mongering.
Modi is no superman and your forces are the same what they were in Manmohan's era.
You people are just overrating Modi.

You are fully entitled to your opinions

In fact you are also fully entitled to test Modi ; infact some testing has happened on the LOC
If Pakistan wants to embark on another adventure fine ; it is your choice

 

[HariPrasad]

We have 60+ years of experience of dealing with pakistan... One point we clearly understand that ... We can have friendship with all over the the world but not with pakistan...Coz pakistan is based on hate India concept....So, this talks and all is just waste of time and effort....Not sure why our politicians are not understanding those points.....

A 100% Perfect statement ....

It is generally acknowledged that while countries have armies, the pakistani army has a country because of its hold on every organ of the country; polity, administration, finance, judiciary, you name it.

Good thing about the present government is that it has very pragmatic Prime minister and National security adviser. They are capable of taking right decision and capable of making this covert war very costly for our enemy.

Doesn't really matter whether it's Manmohan or Modi, the only difference is Modi looks to increase his vote bank by chest thumping and war mongering.
Modi is no superman and your forces are the same what they were in Manmohan's era.
You people are just overrating Modi.

It is your people and your media which overrates him many more time than us (If it is overrating at all) . Look at Pakistani media.

 

[Psychic]

It is your people and your media which overrates him many more time than us (If it is overrating at all) . Look at Pakistani media.

Just like your media and people overrate "some of our citizens" and our ISI. Media of both countries want TRP's.

 

[nik141991]

Nawaz party still fund jammat ud dawa,probably one of the few elected party in the world who openly fund terrorist organization blacklisted buy UN & almost every other major power with a 10million $ bounty on organization leader head, noora wont take any action because Hafiz & company form a large vote bank in Punjab & RAW won't assinate him because he is valueble for India if he is alive

 

[black-hawk_101]

The region is turning around and may be India and Iran will attack on Pakistan. So, in my opinion Pakistan should be ready to use their old missiles Like Hatf-I series, Abdalis, Ghaznavis and Ghauri I-II-III with conventional warheads. But keep in place the NASR and Shaheen series with nuclear war head for an upcoming battle.

 

[Psychic]

You are fully entitled to your opinions

In fact you are also fully entitled to test Modi ; infact some testing has happened on the LOC
If Pakistan wants to embark on another adventure fine ; it is your choice

You may keep believing in superhuman powers of Modi.

 

[MilSpec]

And the other thing that should come into mind is the radio active dust.

Rather end of Spineless appeasement policies of Congress. I feel this will be a tit for tat response government which will actually be better for sustained peace in the region. No More Money Shankar Aayyar at the helm of pakistan policy.

 

[SrNair]

Americans showing butt hurt due to the an article that criticising Pakistan.Next time dont tell us about your American love .
GTFO from Indian thread with your fat and ugly avatar.

I h


stopped reading at the first sentence as well. It's just can't be more biased.

I had stopped reading at the first sentence as well. It's just can't be more biased.

 

[HariPrasad]

Just like your media and people overrate "some of our citizens" and our ISI. Media of both countries want TRP's.

Yes, but now a days trend has changed. You guys have started overrating more than us.

 

[SrNair]

We should stay away from a dialogue with Pakistan.
Ignore them if you can.They will try to make some noise through Uncle Sam.But delay that maximum.In time Americans will also force to come to our line.

You know what .Majority of Indians like PM Modi's policy.After 26/11 things are lot changed .UPA soft policy towards you is also a cause of their defeat in last LS elections.

You may keep believing in superhuman powers of Modi.

 

[IceCold]

Rather end of Spineless appeasement policies of Congress. I feel this will be a tit for tat response government which will actually be better for sustained peace in the region. No More Money Shankar Aayyar at the helm of pakistan policy.

I dont think congress was ever spineless. In fact they were/are more determined against Pakistan than anyone else including the BJP. The difference is in their approach. While BJP likes to talk big for public consumption, congress was more like sweat talk from the front while looking for the right moment to back stab ( I mean it in the good sense).

Having said so my take is that BJP is actually better for Pakistan because their open rhetoric leaves little to no room for Politicians like Nawaz to go out of the way to appease India. Besides i also believe that if any solution to Indian Pakistan disputes is to be found, the chances of that happening are more with BJP than congress. Modi has the mandate and backing of the people in such a way that if he decides to do something w.r.t Kashmir, people will not take it negatively as was the case with Congress.

 

[MilSpec]

I dont think congress was ever spineless. In fact they were/are more determined against Pakistan than anyone else including the BJP. The difference is in their approach. While BJP likes to talk big for public consumption, congress was more like sweat talk from the front while looking for the right moment to back stab ( I mean it in the good sense).

Having said so my take is that BJP is actually better for Pakistan because their open rhetoric leaves little to no room for Politicians like Nawaz to go out of the way to appease India. Besides i also believe that if any solution to Indian Pakistan disputes is to be found, the chances of that happening are more with BJP than congress. Modi has the mandate and backing of the people in such a way that if he decides to do something w.r.t Kashmir, people will not take it negatively as was the case with Congress.

You might be confusing the strong congress of Indira and Rajiv days to it's name sake of UPA which was utterly spineless.
As far as BJP is concerned, I am not a big fan the traditional BJP which was marred with coalition nonsense, under modi BJP is reformed, it is stiffer and has a better sense of purpose. It knows it's objectives when it comes to foriegn policy and knows how to deal with pakistan. The way Congress coalition handled terrorism in India was despicable and defence planning and management was deplorable at best. With a strong decisive leadership at he center, conflict avoidance as well as CBM's will be more effective.

 

[IceCold]

You might be confusing the strong congress of Indira and Rajiv days to it's name sake of UPA which was utterly spineless.
As far as BJP is concerned, I am not a big fan the traditional BJP which was marred with coalition nonsense, under modi BJP is reformed, it is stiffer and has a better sense of purpose. It knows it's objectives when it comes to foriegn policy and knows how to deal with pakistan. The way Congress coalition handled terrorism in India was despicable and defence planning and management was deplorable at best. With a strong decisive leadership at he center, conflict avoidance as well as CBM's will be more effective.

I would like to know more on your take about the highlighted part because i have yet to come across any sort of relevance which suggests the highlighted part.

 

[MilSpec]

I would like to know more on your take about the highlighted part because i have yet to come across any sort of relevance which suggests the highlighted part.

Indian traditional official position has been that cessation of hostile asymmetric tactics from Pakistan is a must for bilateral talks with Pakistan. Irrespective of this position the UPA government in both of it's tenure ignored this and weakened it's position and went in pro active back channel diplomacy dropping it's tactical concerns and playing into hands of pkistani foreign office albeit the MEA official wer steadfast in not conceding any room despite the central governments pressure from the likes of Aiyer and company (despite not holding a post i official capacity, aiyar ad his cronies had made bilatral talks a pet project of MMS jeopardizing national security).

Modi's government, on other hand has a clear agenda of remaining solid on it's position vis-a-avis Pakistan, not just for electoral consumption but for actual talks. If pakistan heeds to Indian requirements of cessation of terror emanating from Pakistan against India, India will sow th same decisiveness in bilateral talks... This to me is a marked change in policy. You are yet to engage modi, you have been just testing the tolerances and allowances that are available in deviations from the said agenda for bilateral movement.

 

[IceCold]

Indian traditional official position has been that cessation of hostile asymmetric tactics from Pakistan is a must for bilateral talks with Pakistan. Irrespective of this position the UPA government in both of it's tenure ignored this and weakened it's position and went in pro active back channel diplomacy dropping it's tactical concerns and playing into hands of pkistani foreign office albeit the MEA official wer steadfast in not conceding any room despite the central governments pressure from the likes of Aiyer and company (despite not holding a post i official capacity, aiyar ad his cronies had made bilatral talks a pet project of MMS jeopardizing national security).

Modi's government, on other hand has a clear agenda of remaining solid on it's position vis-a-avis Pakistan, not just for electoral consumption but for actual talks. If pakistan heeds to Indian requirements of cessation of terror emanating from Pakistan against India, India will sow th same decisiveness in bilateral talks... This to me is a marked change in policy. You are yet to engage modi, you have been just testing the tolerances and allowances that are available in deviations from the said agenda for bilateral movement.

I understand but if UPA government was giving in ignoring the official stance than why haven't we moved an inch towards a solution to our disputes. Infact i remember I kept on hearing that MMS will visit Pakistan, yet that visit never took place. Perhaps the reason that comes to my mind is what i was referring to Congress sweat talks from the front but actually waiting to for the right moment to hit.

I did not answered your previous post completely because i wanted to know your take before i reply. About mixing congress with Indra's, let me give you a more new example. Consider Afghanistan, India's position in Afghanistan was made strong in the time of this same Congress. We know this because we have suffered because of that all the while seeing the smiling face of MMS.

Modi has just come to power. He decided to cancel talks because we met Huriyat Leaders but has that deterred Pakistan from not meeting again? I think you know the answer. Modi up the ante on the border, but so did we, we didnt blink either, but now it seems this realization is also drawn on your Modi led government. So while all the tough talks are there, we have seen your foreign secretary visiting Pakistan, Modi ji sending his best wishes on 23rd march. So all though slow but things have started to change, perhaps not to your or ours liking but it has.