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The statement is qualified precondition sir
" for the sake of avoiding coups"

E.g only one truck and a jeep is used by military in its coups

Other than that i already agreed with modern concept of smaller mobile resourceful force
I wasn't talking about the physical capability of the Pakistani Army. I was talking about improving its decision-making capability.

Nevertheless, you make a good point: all it takes is "a truck and jeep" for the Pakistani military to undertake a coup, if only because the 111th Infantry Brigade is tasked with "guarding" the prime minister and president and these troops take their orders from the COAS, not the civilian leadership. So to better guard against military coups a different sort of "restructuring" may be required.
 
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What is the principle motivating factor for restructuring in middle of a war?
Pak Army has done great job in WOT , change and improve is always required to increase strength.
Did you put this idea in front of your class fellows who are in the forces?
Yes , Dear we are like one family and brothers.
 
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Pak Army has done great job in WOT , change and improve is always required to increase strength.

Easiest way to increase would be mass recruiting not restructuring then
 
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Pak Army has done great job in WOT , change and improve is always required to increase strength.
If the head isn't working right then increased strength isn't an improvement but a multiplier for stupidity. And the Pakistani Army has made many, many mistakes over the decades.
 
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in my view restructuring in all 3 PARTS of Armed forces is necessary to fight the 21st century wars .may be we can base the restructuring on few basic things e.g
1 non combat expenses
2 training
3 command and control
4 equipment
may be other members would like to add something to the list
 
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in my view restructuring in all 3 PARTS of Armed forces is necessary to fight the 21st century wars .may be we can base the restructuring on few basic things e.g
1 non combat expenses
2 training
3 command and control
4 equipment
may be other members would like to add something to the list
I suppose that before any restructuring it would be a good idea to define the purposes of the Pakistani military. Then restructure it to fit within those limits. But who would define that mission - the nearly-unaccountable COAS or the elected civilian leadership? Can the civilians really be free to act if their "guards" are under the command of the military itself? And since the primary purpose of the leader of most organizations is to expand its size and power, is any COAS qualified to define the limits to his organization's power and authority?
 
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Pak Army has done great job in WOT , change and improve is always required to increase strength.

Yes , Dear we are like one family and brothers.
Good to know, I am interested in knowing what was their feeback regarding your suggestion?
 
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Before talking restructuring Army which is known by all our enemies as the only institutions which by the grace of Allah kept our country protected against their devils plans, we should talk about restructuring all others civilian and corrupt/corrupted institutions of the same country.

Because giving leadership of army to a prime minister like the friends of our enemies, I talking about nawaz, zardari, buttho and theirs son of b!tches oulaadans, is giving your home’s protection to the people from whom this army is protecting from.

It’s another plan to weaken it.

Someone was talking of US or Israel’s army as an example. Should I kindly remind that unfortunately our awaam is not at same level of social development.

Our politicians are jokers, they don’t have any clue of the world’s dynamics, except perhaps Imran Khan.

So what to report to them ? What will they decide to do about those reporting ?

If we have well educated politicians then why not ? But we are not at this level yet.

So in my humble opinion of a non expert, it is only a move to weaken our only strong institution.

I agree they made some, big, mistakes but had our military been weaker then Pakistan would have already ceased to exist.

Of course I could be wrong, but my heart tell me I’m not.
 
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Before talking restructuring Army which is known by all our enemies as the only institutions which by the grace of Allah kept our country protected against their devils plans, we should talk about restructuring all others civilian and corrupt/corrupted institutions of the same country.

Because giving leadership of army to a prime minister like the friends of our enemies, I talking about nawaz, zardari, buttho and theirs son of b!tches oulaadans, is giving your home’s protection to the people from whom this army is protecting from.

It’s another plan to weaken it.

Someone was talking of US or Israel’s army as an example. Should I kindly remind that unfortunately our awaam is not at same level of social development.

Our politicians are jokers, they don’t have any clue of the world’s dynamics, except perhaps Imran Khan.

So what to report to them ? What will they decide to do about those reporting ?

If we have well educated politicians then why not ? But we are not at this level yet.

So in my humble opinion of a non expert, it is only a move to weaken our only strong institution.

I agree they made some, big, mistakes but had our military been weaker then Pakistan would have already ceased to exist.

Of course I could be wrong, but my heart tell me I’m not.
You couldn't be more right Bro :tup:
 
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I wasn't talking about the physical capability of the Pakistani Army. I was talking about improving its decision-making capability.

Nevertheless, you make a good point: all it takes is "a truck and jeep" for the Pakistani military to undertake a coup, if only because the 111th Infantry Brigade is tasked with "guarding" the prime minister and president and these troops take their orders from the COAS, not the civilian leadership. So to better guard against military coups a different sort of "restructuring" may be required.
111 Independent Infantry Brigade has got nothing with coups, any other Brigade with any number, be it 110,112, 113 etc would have done the same when ordered and if deployed in vicinity of Islamabad. If 111 IIBG was so important politically as its publicized then its Brigade commanders would always make COAS of Pakistan Army. You can check yourself how many COAS of Pakistan Army have commanded 111 IIBG. The location of 111 Infantry Brigade is in westridge, Rawalpindi. For guarding President or PM or conducting a coup, the formation should be placed in Islamabad, not Rawalpindi. The security provided to President or PM is a mix of Military and Civil forces, and a whole Brigade is not required. ICT Police as well as Police in Rawalpindi out number 111 IIB's strength by a huge margin, so if a coup took place, 111 IIBG was the closest. You could say, at the wrong place, at the wrong time. Secondly, the commander of 111 IIBG can never act on his own. He is answerable to Corps Commander, X-Corps, who is answerable to Commander, Northern Command, who is answerable to VCOAS and COAS. So stop with the non-sense of 111 IIBG and coups already. Its a chain of command that follows and makes decisions and puts 111 IIBG into action.

Units under command of 111 IIBG.

3 x Infantry battalions
1 x artillery regiment
1 x signals company
1 x MP detachment
1 x Field Intelligence Company.

Responsibilities of 111 IIBG

1.It's the strategic Reserve for X-Corps, which means it can be utilized anywhere; LOC or elsewhere. However, its also considered the last defense for Government setup in Islamabad, if an indian Army break through reaches the out- skirts of Islamabad.

2.Provide troops for security of GHQ and JSHQ.
111 IIBG assigns one infantry battalion to GHQ. When the attack took place on GHQ many years back, it was some Punjab Regiment Battalion assigned for GHQ security that day. The roster could be monthly or yearly, depends upon commander. The other formation providing security to GHQ is DSG, which has retired personnel also in it.

3. Provides security to Islamabad and Rawalpindi in case of an airborne/air assault attack from Indian Military.

4. Provides security to KRL in case of emergency.

5. Provides resources of men and material to Government in case of national emergency or crisis in Islamabad Capital Region.
 
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I’m not fan of conspiracy theories but I’m not able to access to defence.pk from France without using VPN.

Update : since my last post for which @Khafee gave positive rating.(thanks bro:tup:)

Strange.
 
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Update 2 : even with previous vpn I failed to reach defence.pk

Now using second VPN server.

More and more strange.


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Thank God. Everything ok now.
But very strange that my direct connection to this forum stopped working, then my first VPN too... they learnt that I have so many VPN at my disposition :sick:

Viva :pdf: !


Final update:
Sorry for being off topic, but the issue appeared just few minutes after having clicked on the link given by a member in his profile.
So be very careful when clicking :tup:
 
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Bhutto attempted to restructure the army. He might have been successful in the long run but was overthrown. Zia Ul Haq highjacked whatever structural changes he had managed & turned them into army's favour. The Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee was supposed to be a meaningful appointment and rotated among the tri-services. Since the creation of the post, it has mainly been held by a general from the army.

Your idea is good, but I think CJCSC should not be too powerful. A single powerful individual would defeat the purpose. CJCSC should be principle military adviser to the PM and liaison between the tri-services. The chairmanship should be rotated between the tri-services as planned. The service chiefs should have administrative roles only. The commanding powers should be delegated to the corps commanders, each being a four-star general.
If we punish musharaf for military take over then it will reduce chances of martial law in future but I think it has now become difficult.We should also take steps to reduce military interference in politics and forming selected govts and influencing judiciary this is equally damaging to us like martial laws.I think political leadership and politics should be made on merit instead of selection.There should be made amendment in constitution for this and also in military act or code of conduct
 
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