Featured Pakistan Armed Forces have been placed on Red Alert in view of Indian military preparations

[Tipu7]

On a serious note, I need information for writing academic literature regarding transformation in Indian War doctrines. And I need your help.

On a lighter note...

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[PanzerKiel]

First of all what is CSD ?
Secondly more details pls ? i don't get it. X replaced by Y and Y replaced by X . Doing substitution?

The Indian army developed a Cold Start Doctrine (CSD). Conceptually, it envisages application of 8 to 10 Integrated Battle Groups (IBGs) on multiple thrust lines, assisted by overwhelming fire power to degrade Pakistan’s military before it is completely mobilised. The Indian military leadership unveiled the doctrine in April 2004.

The Cold Start Doctrine was further refined into a Proactive Operational Strategy in 2007-2008.

Indian strategists think that the war would be space-oriented, and that it would be a limited war, whereas in Pakistan there is no concept of a ‘limited War’. Any war with India is seen as a total war for survival. With the present strength of the armies of both the countries India does not have the capability to outclass the Pakistan army in a time frame that falls in the category of a limited war. Stephen P Cohen defines India’s CSD as “a short cross border punishing raid in response to a major terrorist act.”

 

[crankthatskunk]

I would really happy to see that but I can see only followings:

1. Blame to all previous governances for all issues
2. Distribute traitor certificate
3. Working against the opposition leaders and parties. Proactively working to send them jail.
4. Bashing on India/RSS and Modi on alternate days. etc

I was really supporting to Imran but i feel that now he is a typical political leader. He done many promises before the election without doing proper study and now he is aware that he will not able to complete the he has taken above mentioned lines. Now I don't hear about NAYA Pakistan...... PAK media used to talk but they now not supporting to Imran as same as during election/ before election.

So that Imran Khan is working on curb freedom of expression as well.


As i said, give any reference expect china and turkey! if you can't then simply means that nly Pakistani's are buying this false claim... The world does not care and they don't believe. Thanks

Shouldn't the lunatic, killer, Psychopath, manic MODI be your concerns!!

Let Pakistanis worry about IK.

1- He is right to blame previous govt. every sane and educated Pakistani and people like me do as well.
2- There is no doubt, those who had destroyed their country for their own gains are traitors. Every educated and sane Pakistani thinks the same, so do I.
3- Most of opposition parties leaders are corrupt thugs. They deserve to go to jail. If they were in the west, they would have been in far greater difficulties. Take an example of Maryam Nawaz, she is a convicted criminal, out on bail. She should be put back behind bars for violating her bail terms repeatedly.
You wanna have a discussion on legality!! I am game for it. Don't cry when I prove the Killer Modi deserving a death penalty based on his criminal acts.
4- Modi deserves bashing every second of the day, forget every day. He, RSS goons and all those who stands with these fascists deserves bashing every second, every minute, every hour, every day, every year for eternity.

Happy!!!

 

[Baibars_1260]

The Indian army developed a Cold Start Doctrine (CSD). Conceptually, it envisages application of 8 to 10 Integrated Battle Groups (IBGs) on multiple thrust lines, assisted by overwhelming fire power to degrade Pakistan’s military before it is completely mobilised. The Indian military leadership unveiled the doctrine in April 2004.

The Cold Start Doctrine was further refined into a Proactive Operational Strategy in 2007-2008.

Indian strategists think that the war would be space-oriented, and that it would be a limited war, whereas in Pakistan there is no concept of a ‘limited War’. Any war with India is seen as a total war for survival. With the present strength of the armies of both the countries India does not have the capability to outclass the Pakistan army in a time frame that falls in the category of a limited war. Stephen P Cohen defines India’s CSD as “a short cross border punishing raid in response to a major terrorist act.”

The post-Cold Start doctrine would be when India would hold onto the territory after declaring a unilateral ceasefire to negotiate concessions from Pakistan on a peace deal. The territory to be seized would have to be painful enough for Pakistan to want to negotiate and also agree to a ceasefire instead of escalating. For example seizing a portion of the CPEC or the Lahore Karachi rail link near Multan. In the past India seized territory but it was not significant or important enough for Pakistan to either accept ceasefire to prevent damage and a human toll or to negotiate even when a ceasefire was negotiated. In 1965 Pakistan continued to attack Dograi near Lahore refusing a ceasefire resolution in the UN and refused negotiations. Ultimately India had to withdraw from Dograi and also from Haji Peer Pass. Some say this humiliation was the cause of the Indian Premier's death after the Tashkent summit.

In 1971 India and Pakistan captured bits of territory on the Western Front front and only territory on the international border was swapped. On the LOC unlike in 1965 there was no swap. India held Turtok and parts of Kargil which gave it an advantage in the Siachen conflict later. Pakistan held on to its gains in Chamb Jaurian which gives it a significant advantage in the Jammu and Poonch area today. India would like its territory in the Chamb Jaurian area back. In 1971 India implemented a prior 48 hour unilateral ceasefire in accordance with the UN resolution which the Soviet Union advised, while Pakistan kept the offensive till the ceasefire deadline went into effect. India withdrew to avoid taking heavy casualties. India was under heavy pressure in the east facing a cocked fist from the USN Seventh Fleet which threatened to wipe out their Eastern Command. That would surely have led to withdrawal of the Indian armed forces from Bangladesh which though would never have reverted to Pakistan would have freed the Pakistani prisoners and returned them to Pakistan under US / UN peacekeeping forces. A US friendly regime in Bangladesh would have helped US retain its earlier access to Chittagong. So in effect India chose to loose territory for the longer strategic game of Bangladesh and POWs, This would fail on account of China's presence in the UN who blocked Bangladesh's entry till Pakistan's POWs were returned. The US got most of its access back into Bangladesh especially after Bangladesh signed a Status of Forces Agreement in 2005 ( ?).
The new Cold Start is based on an earlier attempt in 1987 called Operation Brasstacks which was an attempt to force Pakistan to surrender Azad Kashmir in exchange for Multan or Bahawalpur and before the time window closed as Pakistan would shortly be acquiring nuclear capabilities.
Pakistan's doctrine against Cold Start is unprecedented because it actually is a nuclear version of the Soviet Union's scorched earth policy. Bluntly:
Pakistan will use its tactical nuclear weapons on its own territory against an Indian occupation, human cost not withstanding. Pakistan maintains the moral and tactical advantage. This scenario was war gamed by NATO when the conventional offensive advantage lay overwhelmingly with the Warsaw Pact powers. So NATO would use tactical nuclear weapons to blunt a Soviet Warsaw Pact thrust through the" Fulda gap " analogous to the Bahawalpur sector on the IB where an Indian conventional thrust is likely.
India threatens a city busting nuclear response to the use of tactical nuclear weapons. How genuine that threat is remains to be seen since tactical nuclear weapons produce relatively less contamination and 20 kiloton strike on Karachi would spread contamination into Gujarat. That of course if Pakistan doesn't respond in kind and lands a similar 20 kt lollipop onto Raisina Hill in Delhi.
Dangerous times !

 

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Army put on high alert amid threat of Indian strike
Iftikhar A. KhanUpdated 10 Dec 2020
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Pakistan Army soldiers patrol on the Line of Control.— AP/File
ISLAMABAD: Amidst a possible threat of another attempt by India to conduct a surgical strike inside Pakistan’s territory, Pakistan Army has been put on high alert, informed sources told Dawn on Wednesday.

They said that after facing humiliating defeat in Ladakh and Doklam, India was preparing to launch another attack on the Line of Control (LoC) and across the Working Boundary at Pulwama, posing a threat to the regional peace and stability.





Meanwhile, Indian forces initiated ceasefire violations later in the day, martyring two Pakistan Army soldiers and injuring a civilian woman in different areas of Azad Jammu and Kashmir, officials said.

The Inter Services Public Relations in a tweet identified the soldiers as Lance Naik Tariq, 38, and Sepoy Zaroof, 31. Pakistani forces responded befittingly to the ceasefire violations, added the ISPR.
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In Taai village, Nasim Fatima was injured, a police official told Dawn.
An official said a “false flag operation” was being planned by India to divert the world’s attention from several of its internal issues, including the ongoing farmers’ protest, its treatment of minorities, atrocities committed by Indian forces in occupied Kashmir and criticism of its policies by international institutions and media.

“India may at any time repeat a Pulwama-like drama to divert attention from the internal problems and was planning an action along the LoC and Working Boundary,” he said.
In 2016, India had claimed to have carried out a surgical strike on the LoC, a claim rubbished by Pakistan. Similarly, on Feb 26 last year, India had tried to launch a similar operation against Pakistan but failed and two of its planes had been shot down by Pakistan Air Force. Indian pilot Wing Commander Abhinandan was arrested and later released.
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The sources said India had committed 9,215 ceasefire violations between 2014 and 2019, involving 1,403 casualties. India has so far this year committed 2,830 ceasefire violations, with the number of civil casualties totaling 271.
The decision to put the army on high alert comes days after the Indian government approved the creation of a new post of deputy chief of strategy at the army headquarters as per a plan envisaged during the Doklam crisis with China in 2017, besides creating the position of director general information warfare who will also be dealing with media affairs.

‘Is India becoming a fascist state?’
In a related development, speakers at a global virtual seminar on Wednesday discussed the question, “Is India becoming a fascist state?” in response to the rising authoritarian tendencies of the Modi government and human rights violations in the country.
“The erosion of civil liberties, the aggression of police and the increasing politicisation of the judiciary mean that people are now seriously asking, ‘Is India slipping towards fascism? As a friend of India, Australia and Australian politicians should support those voices from India and the diaspora who commit to our shared values of democracy, liberty and rule of law,” NSW MP David Shoebridge said in his opening statement on the significance of the event.
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Greens Foreign Affairs spokesman and Federal Senator Janet Rice said that human rights were fundamental and must be protected in all countries and for all people.
“Sadly in India, as in many countries around the world, people’s human rights are frequently not respected. We are particularly concerned at the impacts on religious minorities, political opposition groups, indigenous peoples and other vulnerable communities,” he added.
He said the forum was an important opportunity to hear from human rights advocates and a range of voices from around the world.
Australia’s former senator Lee Rhiannon said there has been an alarming decline in democratic and secular standards in India. “I am often asked ‘Is the Modi government promoting a fascist vision for India?’ I understand why people ask this question,” she wondered.
Ms Rhiannon said massive detention centres have been constructed in India for the millions deemed to be non-citizens under new laws. “Minorities are being killed. In occupied Kashmir, in addition to the unilateral abrogation of Article 370 of the Indian constitution, the entire population of the region has been deprived of their right to freedom of expression and opinion through protracted communication restrictions, in place for the past year. These actions are compounded by a censored media, continuing detention of political leaders and a compromised judicial system. This forum is timely. The global community needs to be informed,” she added.
Shaffaq Mohammed, a British politician of Kashmiri heritage who served as a Liberal Democrat Member of the European Parliament (MEP) for the Yorkshire & Humber region from 2019 to 2020, compared the fascism in Europe that led to the killing of around six million Jews and the ideology of Hindutva targeting minorities in India, especially Muslims.
He talked about the brutal lockdown now for more than a year imposed in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir following the revocation in August 2019 of Articles 370 and 35A that gave the region special status and autonomy.
In January this year, Shaffaq Mohammed was the lead proposer of a resolution against the Indian Citizen Amendment Act that gained the support of the main five political groups that made up the 750-seat European Parliament.
US Congresswoman-elect Marie Newman, who won election in Illinois’s 3rd congressional district to the United States House of Representatives as the Democratic nominee, talked about the change in the US and assured her full support to rights groups calling for accountability of the Indian government with respect to human rights in the country.
Suchitra Vijayan, the founder and Executive Director of The Polis Project who writes about war, conflict, foreign policy, politics, literature and photography, listed the increasing fascist policies of the Modi government and its total control on the judiciary, law enforcement and mass media in India in order to suppress the voices of dissent in the country.
Raju Rajagopal, co-founder of Hindus for Human Rights, talked about the cooperation of civil society activists from Indian diaspora to coordinate their efforts on a global level fighting against Hindutva ideology and creating awareness of human rights abuses in India by the Modi government amongst the international community.
Professor Anjali Arondekar, a professor of Feminist Studies and director of Centre for South Asian Studies, University of California, Santa Cruz, talked about the caste-based politics in India and discrimination, oppression and marginalisation of low caste Indians and other minorities, including Muslims, by the incumbent BJP government.
The round table was organised by a broad international coalition comprising Australia-based The Humanism Project, Indian American Muslim Council, Hindus for Human Rights, US, and Amnesty International, Australia.
Published in Dawn, December 10th, 2020

 

[undercover JIX]

On a lighter note...

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Be serious, ab app Cold Start Doctrine ki katha lay kar baith jao ge..

actually its.
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[KaiserX]

The post-Cold Start doctrine would be when India would hold onto the territory after declaring a unilateral ceasefire to negotiate concessions from Pakistan on a peace deal. The territory to be seized would have to be painful enough for Pakistan to want to negotiate and also agree to a ceasefire instead of escalating. For example seizing a portion of the CPEC or the Lahore Karachi rail link near Multan. In the past India seized territory but it was not significant or important enough for Pakistan to either accept ceasefire to prevent damage and a human toll or to negotiate even when a ceasefire was negotiated. In 1965 Pakistan continued to attack Dograi near Lahore refusing a ceasefire resolution in the UN and refused negotiations. Ultimately India had to withdraw from Dograi and also from Haji Peer Pass. Some say this humiliation was the cause of the Indian Premier's death after the Tashkent summit.

In 1971 India and Pakistan captured bits of territory on the Western Front front and only territory on the international border was swapped. On the LOC unlike in 1965 there was no swap. India held Turtok and parts of Kargil which gave it an advantage in the Siachen conflict later. Pakistan held on to its gains in Chamb Jaurian which gives it a significant advantage in the Jammu and Poonch area today. India would like its territory in the Chamb Jaurian area back. In 1971 India implemented a prior 48 hour unilateral ceasefire in accordance with the UN resolution which the Soviet Union advised, while Pakistan kept the offensive till the ceasefire deadline went into effect. India withdrew to avoid taking heavy casualties. India was under heavy pressure in the east facing a cocked fist from the USN Seventh Fleet which threatened to wipe out their Eastern Command. That would surely have led to withdrawal of the Indian armed forces from Bangladesh which though would never have reverted to Pakistan would have freed the Pakistani prisoners and returned them to Pakistan under US / UN peacekeeping forces. A US friendly regime in Bangladesh would have helped US retain its earlier access to Chittagong. So in effect India chose to loose territory for the longer strategic game of Bangladesh and POWs, This would fail on account of China's presence in the UN who blocked Bangladesh's entry till Pakistan's POWs were returned. The US got most of its access back into Bangladesh especially after Bangladesh signed a Status of Forces Agreement in 2005 ( ?).
The new Cold Start is based on an earlier attempt in 1987 called Operation Brasstacks which was an attempt to force Pakistan to surrender Azad Kashmir in exchange for Multan or Bahawalpur and before the time window closed as Pakistan would shortly be acquiring nuclear capabilities.
Pakistan's doctrine against Cold Start is unprecedented because it actually is a nuclear version of the Soviet Union's scorched earth policy. Bluntly:
Pakistan will use its tactical nuclear weapons on its own territory against an Indian occupation, human cost not withstanding. Pakistan maintains the moral and tactical advantage. This scenario was war gamed by NATO when the conventional offensive advantage lay overwhelmingly with the Warsaw Pact powers. So NATO would use tactical nuclear weapons to blunt a Soviet Warsaw Pact thrust through the" Fulda gap " analogous to the Bahawalpur sector on the IB where an Indian conventional thrust is likely.
India threatens a city busting nuclear response to the use of tactical nuclear weapons. How genuine that threat is remains to be seen since tactical nuclear weapons produce relatively less contamination and 20 kiloton strike on Karachi would spread contamination into Gujarat. That of course if Pakistan doesn't respond in kind and lands a similar 20 kt lollipop onto Raisina Hill in Delhi.
Dangerous times !

Agreed, Indias strategy is more in line today with the Soviet strategy of the 7 days to the river rhine, instead the Soviets were smarter and included Tactical nukes into the strategy whereby India thinks they can walk into Lahore and no one will do anything

Pakistans strategy is simple. If indian battle groups invade theyll be met with Tactical nukes in which case India will have 2 options. Either they except a political/military defeat and withdraw or they escalate.

Imagine the hurt of the Indians if hundreds/thousands of their armoured tanks/IFVs are blown into smitherines by a few nukes.

 

[KaiserX]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1337046225250553857

Heavy weapons and thousands of Indian troops are being moved towards the IB. Something seems to be cooking up in the last 24 hours. To summarize

1) 24 hours ago Pak military was put on its highest alert level
2) Within a few hours heavy firing along the LOC
3) Intense arial activity ongoing on both sides
4) Indian army now mobilizing towards IB

If Pakistan has intelligence of an inevitable strike they should Strike first and hard and not stop. The world is to busy with covid.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Agreed, Indias strategy is more in line today with the Soviet strategy of the 7 days to the river rhine, instead the Soviets were smarter and included Tactical nukes into the strategy whereby India thinks they can walk into Lahore and no one will do anything

Pakistans strategy is simple. If indian battle groups invade theyll be met with Tactical nukes in which case India will have 2 options. Either they except a political/military defeat and withdraw or they escalate.

Imagine the hurt of the Indians if hundreds/thousands of their armoured tanks/IFVs are blown into smitherines by a few nukes.

There was a particularly ill informed member from our friendly neighbor next door who claimed India's Ballistic Missile Defense ( SIC) would protect them. I pointed out to him that short range tactical nukes carried on rockets, artillery shells, or surface skimming anti-tank guided missiles cannot be intercepted by ABM systems. A few devices left in booby trapped trucks or buildings would do the trick and truck carrying such a device at the Wagah checkpoint would blow the guards and their turbans into infinity.
City busting nuclear weapons work only at long range where contamination takes a while to arrive.

 

[Jackdaws]

Pakistan - "India blames us hours after an attack on its soil."

Also Pakistan "We know India is going to launch a false flag operation before it actually occurs."

 

[Marker]

Indian army's Cold Start doctrine is a failed strategy due to availability of tactical nukes in Pakistani arsenal. Any enemy intrusion inside 5-8 km of Pakistan will meet the nuke strike right in dead center wiping everything inside 5 miles radius.

Use of tactical nuke is Pakistani doctrine to counter Indian CSD.

It will be a matter of seconds to demolish enemy war efforts crossing the Pakistani border.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

No dear, I really meant... Not very recently.....

Ok so it has been countered, but just not recently...

 

[Lone Nazi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1337046225250553857

Heavy weapons and thousands of Indian troops are being moved towards the IB. Something seems to be cooking up in the last 24 hours. To summarize

1) 24 hours ago Pak military was put on its highest alert level
2) Within a few hours heavy firing along the LOC
3) Intense arial activity ongoing on both sides
4) Indian army now mobilizing towards IB

If Pakistan has intelligence of an inevitable strike they should Strike first and hard and not stop. The world is to busy with covid.

If you listen closely to the person recording the video...he says " delhi mein desh ki sena ko bula lya gya hai kisaan log ke mamley mein"....he must be sensible enough to judge whether troops are entering or leaving delhi...to him they seem to be entering delhi.....so its possible for just this specific case they are not moving towards pakistan.

If you listen closely to the person recording the video...he says " delhi mein desh ki sena ko bula lya gya hai kisaan log ke mamley mein"....he must be sensible enough to judge whether troops are entering or leaving delhi...to him they seem to be entering delhi.....so its possible for just this specific case they are not moving towards pakistan.

although there exists a possibility that these artillery guns could be airlifted from delhi airfields to be positioned quickly elsewhere, thus they are heading towards the nearest airforce base.

 

[TsAr]

On a lighter note...

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This CSD is faring better then the CSD we were talking about

 

[HRK]

although there exists a possibility that these artillery guns could be airlifted from delhi airfields to be positioned quickly elsewhere, thus they are heading towards the nearest airforce base.

Ghaziababd is the last district of UP adjacent to Delhi, therefore movement of these many Artillery guns could possibly mean movement of artillery assets using rail network form Delhi to move to any part of India through Delhi station but the question is why IA would use Delhi station to move artillery guns from UP to South or to NE sector ..... ???

So the only possible answer is these are moving either towards the Pak-Ind border at Punjab or at Rajasthan border or towards IOK ....