Pakistan approves Gwadar port transfer to China

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

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[muse]

So far the concern is Gwadar, would be very surprised if " serious concern" is also expressed when Chinese companies are partners in offshore explorations in what Pakistan claims as it EEZ?

 

[Solomon2]

The concern is only that the port doesn't become a military base.

That's India's concern. But Pakistanis' concern should be whether they'll ever get Gwadar back from the Chinese. Gwadar's population is only 50,000. When the port is going it could add another 50,000 - and I know Chinese hiring practices. Once Gwadar's population of Chinese (even in only a subsection of the city) is greater than that of Pakistanis what will happen?

Remember, China claims sovereignty over all Chinese, everywhere - at least, that's how Chinese students here justify extending Chinese control to all sorts of places. Singapore maintains its independence from China and Malaysia with a strong military, alliances, and the water barrier. Gwadar doesn't have those advantages; with a high-speed link substantial PLA forces can travel from Yunnan to Gwadar in less than a week, much less if pre-positioned first. Do you think China will tolerate Gwadar turning into another Karachi?

 

[muse]

Sol

We're actually hoping that the high speed trains will carry paying passengers both ways - Thanks for your "concern", though I don't imagine there will be many US passengers, they travels in aircraft carriers and I don't think those will be welcome, but I'm sure US investment is just as welcome as Chinese investment

 

[Solomon2]

...I'm sure US investment is just as welcome as Chinese investment

I think you'll find Pakistanis won't have a say in this matter, only Chinese will. The Chinese may claim they get ahead of others by working harder but my observation and experience - as well as a good chunk of history - shows that when they have a choice they will operate by racial preference. That's why the Singaporeans, to keep civil peace, have laws that attempt to enforce Malay employment by Chinese employers. Something Pakistan might want to consider rather than handing the Chinese near-sovereign rights to Gwadar and its connecting rail link.

 

[ChinaToday]

Didn't take too long to get your gorvernment official statement of concern

Antony: China Gwadar work is a worry | The Asian Age

China defends Gwadar port control, ignores Indian concern

BEIJING: China on Thursday said it would go ahead with plans to manage the Gwadar port in Pakistan, which observers claim might pave the way for Beijing's naval presence in the Arabian Sea. India has expressed concern over the Chinese move.

"China and Pakistan are friendly neighbours. Over long period of time, Chinese companies have been participating in cooperation projects across the board," said Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying during a briefing. China will support projects in Pakistan so long they are conducive to bilateral friendship and development.

"As long as these things are conducive to China-Pakistan friendship and the development and prosperity of the country, the Chinese side will actively support them," Hua said.

Chinese authorities are still evading direct questions on whether or not Gwadar port will be used for naval purposes. Islamabad is keen to see enhanced Chinese activity in Gwadar in order to involve China in its own disputes with India along the Arabian Sea.

Pakistan recently decided to replace the Singapore Port Trust, which was managing the China built Gwadar port due to some differences, and give the management contract to a state owned Chinese company.

Gwadar has failed to attract enough business in past years, and did not help China's intentions of using it to reduce the cost of transporting oil from the Gulf region.

Beijing is expected to make another attempt to make better use of the Pakistani port now that it has management control. Back in 2011, the Chinese foreign ministry had denied any plans to build a Naval base at Gwadar. But Beijing is not giving any clear assurance about its intentions in Gwadar this time.

China defends Gwadar port control, ignores Indian concern - The Times of India

 

[muse]

I think you'll find Pakistanis won't have a say in this matter, only Chinese will. The Chinese may claim they get ahead of others by working harder but my observation and experience - as well as a good chunk of history - shows that when they have a choice they will operate by racial preference. That's why the Singaporeans, to keep civil peace, have laws that attempt to enforce Malay employment by Chinese employers. Something Pakistan might want to consider rather than handing the Chinese near-sovereign rights to Gwadar and its connecting rail link.

I think right now, the fact that US does not have a say in it, is of greater concern -- Invest, bring $$, and leave this China bogey man bit - lets all make money - It is a curious thing that US which is so pro-business turns to threats of sponsoring terror whenever the word "China" is to be heard. Counter the Chinese by offering more F16.

Relax, no sovereign rights are being transferred to anybody

 

[Solomon2]

I think right now, the fact that US does not have a say in it, is of greater concern -- Invest, bring $$ -

No, that's not my concern at all, and I fail to see how you think it, save perhaps because Karachi was built up by the Brits and Pakistanis may mistakenly see the U.S. as Britain but with deeper pockets.

Relax, no sovereign rights are being transferred to anybody

How would you know? Details of the agreement are not public. I suggest you monitor developments closely - not gov't pronouncements, but what's happening at Gwadar and along the connections to it.

 

[muse]

Then lets monitor the developments together and raise hell if Pakistani sovereignty is threatened (just like with the Drones)

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

That's India's concern. But Pakistanis' concern should be whether they'll ever get Gwadar back from the Chinese. Gwadar's population is only 50,000. When the port is going it could add another 50,000 - and I know Chinese hiring practices. Once Gwadar's population of Chinese (even in only a subsection of the city) is greater than that of Pakistanis what will happen?

Remember, China claims sovereignty over all Chinese, everywhere - at least, that's how Chinese students here justify extending Chinese control to all sorts of places. Singapore maintains its independence from China and Malaysia with a strong military, alliances, and the water barrier. Gwadar doesn't have those advantages; with a high-speed link substantial PLA forces can travel from Yunnan to Gwadar in less than a week, much less if pre-positioned first. Do you think China will tolerate Gwadar turning into another Karachi?

I don't blame for your obsession about Gwadar , it's been since day one of the Gwadar port construction that U.S is been obsessed of any Chinese connection or access to Indian Ocean via Pakistan, they have done everything to prevent this to be happened, when everything failed, then the best way is to sell China threat theory, Ask yourself how effective your China threat theory is ? if no afrcan nations buy that nor South Latine America nations, they all know how Americans had traited and exploited them in the pass, China is the geopolitic and geo-economy counterweight of U.S. and work on their favor.

 

[Albatross]

No, that's not my concern at all, and I fail to see how you think it, save perhaps because Karachi was built up by the Brits and Pakistanis may mistakenly see the U.S. as Britain but with deeper pockets.

How would you know? Details of the agreement are not public. I suggest you monitor developments closely - not gov't pronouncements, but what's happening at Gwadar and along the connections to it.

What would you say about this ...The plans of your jewish friends must be known to you as well if we dont allow chinese foot print in gwadar you will succeed very easily so lets make it a bit hard and make you guys earn what ever you will get when the great game reaches some conclusion.

I know you would call it a conspiracy theory as thats easy but these maps were made decades ago and are very detailed in logic and purpose and we can see half of work is already completed.

 

[Solomon2]

Then lets monitor the developments together and raise hell if Pakistani sovereignty is threatened (just like with the Drones)

Note that "just like with the drones" China has the right under UNSCR 1373 to intervene militarily if Pakistan fails to eliminate terrorist activity and establish its control.

 

[Solomon2]

I don't blame for your obsession about Gwadar , it's been since day one of the Gwadar port construction that U.S is been obsessed of any Chinese connection or access to Indian Ocean via Pakistan, they have done everything to prevent this to be happened -

I disagree. I don't speak for the USG but I think China communication w/Indian Ocean through Pakistan can be a good thing; it reduces strategic pressure in the Singapore area. Nonetheless I don't think Gwadar should serve as means to wedge open Pakistan to Chinese colonization.

What would you say about this ...The plans of your jewish friends must be known to you as well if we dont allow chinese foot print in gwadar you will succeed very easily -

This rant is too far in outer space for me to grasp.

 

[EagleEyes]

Note that "just like with the drones" China has the right under UNSCR 1373 to intervene militarily if Pakistan fails to eliminate terrorist activity and establish its control.

You are kidding. China unlike America will never take Pakistan sovereignty in its hand.

 

[muse]

Note that "just like with the drones" China has the right under UNSCR 1373 to intervene militarily if Pakistan fails to eliminate terrorist activity and establish its control.

Look at what's become of you lot - threats flow from you as if diarrhea - take a hold of yourself and make sense instead.