Pakistan and UK Militaries hold strategic dialogue

[RIP Pak LAW]

Turkey is planning to build their future fighter jet engines with British Rolls Royce. So in case, if we want to induct Turkish planes, than we need an approval from UK as well.

p.s Turkey failed to get T-129 engine approval from US for us.

hence cooperation with hi-tech country like UK always helps. Short sighted people won't get it.

 

[Path-Finder]

Turkey is planning to build their future fighter jet engines with British Rolls Royce. So in case, if we want to induct Turkish planes, than we need an approval from UK as well.

p.s Turkey failed to get T-129 engine approval from US for us.

hence cooperation with hi-tech country like UK always helps. Short sighted people won't get it.

is rolls royce still in it? i thought they left the project!

 

[Armchair]

...via IHS Jane's:

"Qatar's deal with the United Kingdom in 2018 to procure Eurofighter Typhoon multirole fighters and BAE Systems Hawk advanced jet trainers is the largest deal to have been supported through UK export credit, it has been revealed.

The UK's export credit agency, UK Export Finance (UKEF), said in its recently published 2018-19 annual report that during the year it finalised "the largest single transaction in its history", which features the provision of a potential GBP5 billion (USD6.4 billion) package to support Qatar's order of 24 Typhoons, nine Hawks, and associated weapons.

In addition to Qatar, UKEF information shows that beneficiaries of UK credit in recent years have included India, Indonesia, Oman, and South Korea. In addition to Typhoons and Hawks, which have also been exported to Oman through credit, other major UK-made defence systems to have been exported through such finance include air-defence systems, hovercraft, radars, and military vehicles."

https://www.janes.com/article/89476...ver-uk-export-credit-deal-reveals-ukef-report

This is very likely an L/C type credit, that Qatar or India or such can largely finance. Not the kind of long-term, soft loans Pak typically gets from China. Or previously the US, with heavy subsidy from the USG.

There is a gigantic financial difference between them, actually there is no comparison... trust me I've been a financial analyst in the US.

 

[Quwa]

This is very likely an L/C type credit, that Qatar or India or such can largely finance. Not the kind of long-term, soft loans Pak typically gets from China. Or previously the US, with heavy subsidy from the USG.

There is a gigantic financial difference between them, actually there is no comparison... trust me I've been a financial analyst in the US.

That's the credit I was referring to -- i.e., financing. Those aren't coming by as easily to the PAF as they had back in the mid-to-late 2000s when it inked the Erieye & Spada deals. Sure, it doesn't have enough cache to get Typhoons via a loan, but low-level radars (to replace the MPDR), air-to-air refuelers, etc?

 

[Basel]

...via IHS Jane's:

"Qatar's deal with the United Kingdom in 2018 to procure Eurofighter Typhoon multirole fighters and BAE Systems Hawk advanced jet trainers is the largest deal to have been supported through UK export credit, it has been revealed.

The UK's export credit agency, UK Export Finance (UKEF), said in its recently published 2018-19 annual report that during the year it finalised "the largest single transaction in its history", which features the provision of a potential GBP5 billion (USD6.4 billion) package to support Qatar's order of 24 Typhoons, nine Hawks, and associated weapons.

In addition to Qatar, UKEF information shows that beneficiaries of UK credit in recent years have included India, Indonesia, Oman, and South Korea. In addition to Typhoons and Hawks, which have also been exported to Oman through credit, other major UK-made defence systems to have been exported through such finance include air-defence systems, hovercraft, radars, and military vehicles."

https://www.janes.com/article/89476...ver-uk-export-credit-deal-reveals-ukef-report

So you mean that EFT and other items are discussed with their credit??

 

[Quwa]

So you mean that EFT and other items are discussed with their credit??

It depends on whether Pakistan's asking for the Typhoon.

If it is, then it'll ask for a line of credit/loan. If it isn't, then no one (on either side, but especially Europe) is even entertaining the notion, much less looking at financing.

 

[Armchair]

That's the credit I was referring to -- i.e., financing. Those aren't coming by as easily to the PAF as they had back in the mid-to-late 2000s when it inked the Erieye & Spada deals. Sure, it doesn't have enough cache to get Typhoons via a loan, but low-level radars (to replace the MPDR), air-to-air refuelers, etc?

Hi - ah, I see what you are saying.
low level radars does not PAF have better sources for that than the UK?
a-2-a refuelers are not cheap, do you mean to help finance RR engines for a platform?

Perhaps Selex AESA radars or even an Airbus option may be interesting, but Airbus is largely French-German at this point, unlikely to get meaningful financing from the UK.

I am really interested to know more about the kind of low level radars you are thinking of, I have little knowledge about them. The TPS PAF got from the US, they seem rather happy with them, apparently the Chinese ones are just okay.

On a different note, it would be interesting to see if PAF would ever use tethered radars.

Turkey is planning to build their future fighter jet engines with British Rolls Royce. So in case, if we want to induct Turkish planes, than we need an approval from UK as well.

p.s Turkey failed to get T-129 engine approval from US for us.

hence cooperation with hi-tech country like UK always helps. Short sighted people won't get it.

RR backed out, after wasting as much time for Turkey as possible.

 

[Quwa]

Hi - ah, I see what you are saying.
low level radars does not PAF have better sources for that than the UK?
a-2-a refuelers are not cheap, do you mean to help finance RR engines for a platform?

Perhaps Selex AESA radars or even an Airbus option may be interesting, but Airbus is largely French-German at this point, unlikely to get meaningful financing from the UK.

I am really interested to know more about the kind of low level radars you are thinking of, I have little knowledge about them. The TPS PAF got from the US, they seem rather happy with them, apparently the Chinese ones are just okay.

On a different note, it would be interesting to see if PAF would ever use tethered radars.



RR backed out, after wasting as much time for Turkey as possible.

Leonardo's Selex division (which develops the Kronos, Seaspray, Grifo-E, etc AESA radars) is in the UK. The Kronos is one of the options the PAF was looking at for replacing the MPDR. Getting a UKEF credit line would go a long way in making that program happen (the UK industry would benefit because it'd basically manufacture them).

 

[Ali_Baba]

Grifo-E is quite interesting and could have had potential in PAF, if the Grifo platforms in PAF service weren't so old, they could have been upgraded with them.

 

[mingle]

Leonardo's Selex division (which develops the Kronos, Seaspray, Grifo-E, etc AESA radars) is in the UK. The Kronos is one of the options the PAF was looking at for replacing the MPDR. Getting a UKEF credit line would go a long way in making that program happen (the UK industry would benefit because it'd basically manufacture them).

It shouldn't be a problem to get line of credit from UK EF is big ticket item if PAF looking for it it's big win for BAE plus seeing Pak as potential customer for military hardware has great prospects for UK India is locked by Israel and France pak is not a small fish either big military and Airforce .Brits will take that bate also means end of US F16 program