Pakistan and China: the new US game

[VCheng]

Somewhat true not all about CT

It is all about keeping the mainland safe from another attack emanating from there.

 

[xyxmt]

when we leave we leave wars and destruction behind us leaving more opportunity for our War Inc to profit.

@rent4country sounds familiar?? another mass murder plot in action?

 

[redtom]

Getting Afghanistan and Pakistan into war is the right strategy for the US.

The US has no ability to counter China in East Asia because the US supply lines are too long and there are not enough bases in East Asia to base a sufficient number of military forces.China also has no major shipping routes to the east, most of which are destined for the US.

Central Asia is different. China's main industrial capacity is about 3,000km from Xinjiang, and its borders are too long and permeable and its terrain too complex to withstand large-scale military operations.Although the US is farther away, shipping costs are low, so the US does not have much of a supply disadvantage.

And Pakistan is the key point of China's land route to the Middle East. Once Pakistan is cut off, China will only have one supply line, the Strait of Malacca.This can easily be interfered with.And escorts add to the cost.

Thus, even if the US does not win in a direct confrontation with China, China's influence will still be limited to Southeast and East Asia.The United States keeps their strategic frontier in the Middle East.Strategically, China and the US are still in balance.

As long as the US learns from China and improves its governance ability, it can treat the whole of America as its back garden.The US can maintain its position as a superpower.

But I don't think American's ego will allow them to shrink.The US still believes that they can suppress China in East Asia, so when the US pulled out of Afghanistan and tried to pile up power in East Asia, it was on the road to failure. The US is so eager to prove that it is still the most powerful country in the world that it will lose itself.

 

[nahtanbob]

Getting Afghanistan and Pakistan into war is the right strategy for the US.

The US has no ability to counter China in East Asia because the US supply lines are too long and there are not enough bases in East Asia to base a sufficient number of military forces.China also has no major shipping routes to the east, most of which are destined for the US.

Central Asia is different. China's main industrial capacity is about 3,000km from Xinjiang, and its borders are too long and permeable and its terrain too complex to withstand large-scale military operations.Although the US is farther away, shipping costs are low, so the US does not have much of a supply disadvantage.

And Pakistan is the key point of China's land route to the Middle East. Once Pakistan is cut off, China will only have one supply line, the Strait of Malacca.This can easily be interfered with.And escorts add to the cost.

Thus, even if the US does not win in a direct confrontation with China, China's influence will still be limited to Southeast and East Asia.The United States keeps their strategic frontier in the Middle East.Strategically, China and the US are still in balance.

As long as the US learns from China and improves its governance ability, it can treat the whole of America as its back garden.The US can maintain its position as a superpower.

But I don't think American's ego will allow them to shrink.The US still believes that they can suppress China in East Asia, so when the US pulled out of Afghanistan and tried to pile up power in East Asia, it was on the road to failure. The US is so eager to prove that it is still the most powerful country in the world that it will lose itself.

double yawn ...

Do you know the costs of supplying US troops in Afghanistan or Central Asia ?

 

[redtom]

double yawn ...

Do you know the costs of supplying US troops in Afghanistan or Central Asia ?

You did not understand what I meant. The US does not directly conflict with China in Central Asia. It only needs to destabilize the Central Asian region. In order to maintain stability in Central Asia, China must send military forces. The US only needs to support the opposition forces. It's like dealing with the Soviet Union in the past.

Both sides spent resources in Central Asia. While the US supplies are far away, China's supplies are also far away.

 

[ziaulislam]

The world does not revolve around Pakistan and Afghanistan

Wonder tht . after 2 trillion dollars of tax payer money
With 1 trillion spent on infrastructure USA would have been competing with the world

Imagine the two east and west coast 800km high speed rail would have done to the economy (cost~ 500b)

 

[crankthatskunk]

The USA is leaving for Afganistan is providing a diminishing return compared to the investments....

Now is the time to rebuild the home base for it’s been neglected for too long, and open confrontation with China or Russia is out of the question.....

So much money wasted, which should have been used for human development.
USA has nothing to gain in Afghanistan apart from providing policing role in the area, especially viz a viz China and Pakistan.
Russia can be handled from the Eastern Europe. Afghanistan front is basically for China and Pakistan.

The biggest casualty is India and the puppets in Afghanistan.
I like the way Ajit Doval has failed, the midget used to talk about fighting fire with fire. At the moment, he is needing a hot rod for himself.

 

[VCheng]

Wonder tht . after 2 trillion dollars of tax payer money
With 1 trillion spent on infrastructure USA would have been competing with the world

Imagine the two east and west coast 800km high speed rail would have done to the economy (cost~ 500b)

High speed rail for passengers or cargo?

 

[ziaulislam]

High speed rail for passengers or cargo?

Guess u dont know about the east coast Am track... do you?
Where do u live in ? Montana?

 

[VCheng]

Guess u dont know about the east coast Am track... do you?
Where do u live in ? Montana?

You mean the Boston to DC corridor?

 

[crankthatskunk]

Getting Afghanistan and Pakistan into war is the right strategy for the US.

The US has no ability to counter China in East Asia because the US supply lines are too long and there are not enough bases in East Asia to base a sufficient number of military forces.China also has no major shipping routes to the east, most of which are destined for the US.

Central Asia is different. China's main industrial capacity is about 3,000km from Xinjiang, and its borders are too long and permeable and its terrain too complex to withstand large-scale military operations.Although the US is farther away, shipping costs are low, so the US does not have much of a supply disadvantage.

And Pakistan is the key point of China's land route to the Middle East. Once Pakistan is cut off, China will only have one supply line, the Strait of Malacca.This can easily be interfered with.And escorts add to the cost.

Thus, even if the US does not win in a direct confrontation with China, China's influence will still be limited to Southeast and East Asia.The United States keeps their strategic frontier in the Middle East.Strategically, China and the US are still in balance.

As long as the US learns from China and improves its governance ability, it can treat the whole of America as its back garden.The US can maintain its position as a superpower.

But I don't think American's ego will allow them to shrink.The US still believes that they can suppress China in East Asia, so when the US pulled out of Afghanistan and tried to pile up power in East Asia, it was on the road to failure. The US is so eager to prove that it is still the most powerful country in the world that it will lose itself.

Well, you think China is going to sit idle and let the USA cut off Pakistan!!
It will place its navy in Arabian Sea and stop any blockade.

Think about it, if Pakistan, China and Iran get together, which all the indications are they will, if any such scenario played out.

They can completely block all USA bases in the Middle East.
USA can try to play that out.

 

[nahtanbob]

Wonder tht . after 2 trillion dollars of tax payer money
With 1 trillion spent on infrastructure USA would have been competing with the world

Imagine the two east and west coast 800km high speed rail would have done to the economy (cost~ 500b)

there are better ways to spend $1 trillion than blowing it on Afghanistan. Having said that high speed rail is not one of them.

USA has high speed rail. It is called Boeing 737.

Well, you think China is going to sit idle and let the USA cut off Pakistan!!
It will place its navy in Arabian Sea and stop any blockade.

Think about it, if Pakistan, China and Iran get together, which all the indications are they will, if any such scenario played out.

They can completely block all USA bases in the Middle East.
USA can try to play that out.

The Chinese are not foolish to send their fleet far away from home to challenge USA

Neither are the Pakistanis going to war over China

BTW I like all these scenarios with multiple countries (Pakistan, China, Russia), (Pakistan, China, Iran)
It is almost like you do not have the balls to go head to head

 

[RedRock]

No, US military is packing off of Afghanistan because pentagon has designated China as the top priority. So they’re getting packing their shit to focus entirely on China

Trillions of Dollar is not that much for the US that they need to come up with a secret plan . During 2008 Recession US lost $10 trillion dollars and now after 12 years it’s like nothing happened

HEY

Ah China!! Yes I know.. US is the sole superpower in the world and china can not match the bullying that the US can do, but, to actually think that the US will attack China or even militarily engage China in some sort of small way depends on the Chinese leadership. Will the current Chinese leadership risk a full blown war over some artificial islands in the sea...looking at Xi Jinping, I have a feeling he "looks" the kind to retaliate with full force and bomb mainland America, but...I just don't see him actually giving that order. His generals, yup! they would do it in heart beat! Him? nah... Americans, if they attack the islands they could take it over without crossing the nuclear threshold and I feel the Chinese would let them or back off and sink those islands, just as long as Taiwan and Hongkong and all other disputes are left alone by the US forever. These islands are a bargaining chip, America is trying to assess if the Chinese are bluffing or serious about defending it. So, I still think its to early to assess anything on that front. American weaponry is getting mature enough, but, still not what it needs to be to take on China. So I guess, wait for 5 years or so, who knows??

That is why the back up routes of China need to be monitored closely. The US will not do anything to those Islands or China unless they have easy access to those back up routes on land. Therefore, what happens in Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan are of utmost importance. I still feel Iran is next. It provides them with control over more than half of oil and gas world reserves (Saudi and Iran - total assumption on my part, but you get the point - control over a huge portion of world reserves). Also, the US is a stones throw away from Gwadar. and, who knows, once they take Iran, they could bring our little pigmy neighbors from the east to settle on our west as well...then what? who knows?

Honestly many questions, many if and buts and frankly all guess work. That's why I am sick and tired of thinking of this nonsense, cause at the end of the day you are no wiser and no closer to the truth. since, according to Jack Nicholson "YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH". So we will always be in the dark and the powers that be will play their games and we will continue to waste are internet and brain bandwidth over something that we will never know about and will never ever be a part off. So, China, America, Iran....who gives a shit! To hell with them all. As long as we have a fenced border and keep improving are nukes, their delivery system and missile defense shield, everyone else can go @#$% themselves!

cheers

 

[Baby Leone]

The world does not revolve around Pakistan and Afghanistan

yeah for USA it includes Russia, China & Iran as well

 

[Sinnerman108]

The world does not revolve around Pakistan and Afghanistan

So whats the final tally on afghan war bill ?