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Pakistan already has US-made MRAPS; New Deal in the works!

What Only 180 MARPs what about the rest are they giving 1300 MARPs to Afghans...?? There was NEWS about that Pakistan won't receive any leftover equipment....?? It's to confusing getting not getting getting.... :undecided::undecided::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
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Would look nice around Airforce bases
 
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Source: Pakistan Already Has US-Made MRAPs, New Deal in Works
Apr. 2, 2014 - 03:08PM | By PAUL McLEARY |


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Mine resistant ambush protected vehicles are loaded onto the USNS Pililaau in 2007 at the seaport of Charleston, S.C. (US Army)

WASHINGTON — While controversy swirls over reports that Pakistan may receive some of the excess Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles that the United States has sitting in Afghanistan, American and Pakistani officials are on the verge of completing a deal to send new and excess MRAPs to Islamabad, Defense News has learned.

The 160 vehicles, all of which would be the MaxxPro MRAP variant made by US manufacturer Navistar, would be a mix of new builds and some from US Army prepositioned stocks in Kuwait, according to a person familiar with the negotiations who is not authorized to speak for attribution.

While no formal notification of the deal has yet been sent to Congress since the last stages of the vetting process are still being completed, the official expected a notification to head to Capitol Hill by the end of this month.

The spat over the potential MRAP sale began in March when the Washington Post reported that the United States was considering giving Pakistan some MRAPs that the US didn’t want to pay to ship home once the mission in Afghanistan draws to a close. The report came at the same time as Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, commander of the coalition and US Forces in Afghanistan, said there are more than 1,200 excess MRAPs in country.

For a while, US forces were literally shredding to bits the hulking MRAP infantry carriers that it doesn’t want to pay to bring home, but Dunford has since put a halt to that program while final decisions on the ultimate fate of the fleet are being made.

The holdup on the deal for the 160 MRAPs centers around a congressionally mandated human rights vetting process that all US foreign training and equipping programs must undergo.

Known as the “Leahey Amendment” after the bill’s sponsor, Sen. Patrick Leahey of Vermont, the law stipulates that US forces cannot train or equip foreign military or police units that have been accused of human rights abuses.

The 160 MRAPs would be split among the branches of the Pakistani armed forces. Although specific army and air force units have been identified and vetted, the Pakistani Navy has yet to submit all of the required information, according to the official.

While it hasn’t been reported previously, the Pakistani armed forces have already been supplied with 22 MRAPs — 20 MaxxPro’s along with two “haulers” to move them if damaged — under a now-canceled State Department program known as the Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund. The vehicles were drawn out of the US Army’s existing stock in Kuwait.

The fund was axed in the US government’s fiscal 2014 budget.

The State Department and the US Embassy in Islamabad have been tying themselves in rhetorical knots over the past week trying to explain the situation over the potential MRAP transfer, all without giving specifics or mentioning the MRAPs already sent to Pakistan or the deal currently in the works.

On March 31, the Islamabad embassy issued a statement confirming that Pakistan has requested “a variety of Excess Defense Articles (EDA). The U.S. is currently reviewing Pakistan’s request.” In what appears to be a nod to the pending deal, the embassy added that “if approved, this EDA is likely to be sourced from U.S. stock outside Afghanistan.”

The State Department weighs EDA requests on a “case-by-case basis taking into consideration a range of factors including the need of potential recipients, regional security dynamics, how the recipient nations intend to use the equipment and the ability of an EDA recipient to sustain the equipment,” the embassy said. ■
Email: pmcleary@defensenews.com
Well that is a good news but there was also news of we getting these kind of machines from China what about that ? @Aeronaut @Jungibaaz
 
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Source: Pakistan Already Has US-Made MRAPs, New Deal in Works
Apr. 2, 2014 - 03:08PM | By PAUL McLEARY |


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Mine resistant ambush protected vehicles are loaded onto the USNS Pililaau in 2007 at the seaport of Charleston, S.C. (US Army)

WASHINGTON — While controversy swirls over reports that Pakistan may receive some of the excess Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles that the United States has sitting in Afghanistan, American and Pakistani officials are on the verge of completing a deal to send new and excess MRAPs to Islamabad, Defense News has learned.

The 160 vehicles, all of which would be the MaxxPro MRAP variant made by US manufacturer Navistar, would be a mix of new builds and some from US Army prepositioned stocks in Kuwait, according to a person familiar with the negotiations who is not authorized to speak for attribution.

While no formal notification of the deal has yet been sent to Congress since the last stages of the vetting process are still being completed, the official expected a notification to head to Capitol Hill by the end of this month.

The spat over the potential MRAP sale began in March when the Washington Post reported that the United States was considering giving Pakistan some MRAPs that the US didn’t want to pay to ship home once the mission in Afghanistan draws to a close. The report came at the same time as Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, commander of the coalition and US Forces in Afghanistan, said there are more than 1,200 excess MRAPs in country.

For a while, US forces were literally shredding to bits the hulking MRAP infantry carriers that it doesn’t want to pay to bring home, but Dunford has since put a halt to that program while final decisions on the ultimate fate of the fleet are being made.

The holdup on the deal for the 160 MRAPs centers around a congressionally mandated human rights vetting process that all US foreign training and equipping programs must undergo.

Known as the “Leahey Amendment” after the bill’s sponsor, Sen. Patrick Leahey of Vermont, the law stipulates that US forces cannot train or equip foreign military or police units that have been accused of human rights abuses.

The 160 MRAPs would be split among the branches of the Pakistani armed forces. Although specific army and air force units have been identified and vetted, the Pakistani Navy has yet to submit all of the required information, according to the official.

While it hasn’t been reported previously, the Pakistani armed forces have already been supplied with 22 MRAPs — 20 MaxxPro’s along with two “haulers” to move them if damaged — under a now-canceled State Department program known as the Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund. The vehicles were drawn out of the US Army’s existing stock in Kuwait.

The fund was axed in the US government’s fiscal 2014 budget.

The State Department and the US Embassy in Islamabad have been tying themselves in rhetorical knots over the past week trying to explain the situation over the potential MRAP transfer, all without giving specifics or mentioning the MRAPs already sent to Pakistan or the deal currently in the works.

On March 31, the Islamabad embassy issued a statement confirming that Pakistan has requested “a variety of Excess Defense Articles (EDA). The U.S. is currently reviewing Pakistan’s request.” In what appears to be a nod to the pending deal, the embassy added that “if approved, this EDA is likely to be sourced from U.S. stock outside Afghanistan.”

The State Department weighs EDA requests on a “case-by-case basis taking into consideration a range of factors including the need of potential recipients, regional security dynamics, how the recipient nations intend to use the equipment and the ability of an EDA recipient to sustain the equipment,” the embassy said. ■
Email: pmcleary@defensenews.com

Not a bad deal. US can give PAA 3000 MRAPs out of 13,000 MRAPs but they can give money or buy on their own 15000 Humvess posses by KSA to transfer it to PAA as these can be crucial for fighting against terrorist in Pakistan. Also they can buy more from Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Oman and Yemen to give to Afghan to fight and Pakistan would help them to maintain it.

GCC have many vehicle similar to Humvees which they have already developed on their own...
 
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All this hoopla surrounding MRAP's reminds me of the famous 50/50 comedy program of the 80's!

AARIYAA HAI NAA JAARIYAA HAI; KHARRAY KHARRAY DUSHMANI BARHAARIYAA HAI!
 
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Pakistan is a very critical state on global axis.

Its security and prosperity is of global concern.

I hope Pakistani leaders realize their potential and become prosperous, sovereign, moral, and powerful Inshallah!

If you look at the map, Islamic World is THE most strategically 'poised' civilization on planet..and this has benefits as well as drawbacks.

Muslim countries have access to ALL oceans of the world (physical access)...Muslim countries sit on most important choke-points of the global oceanic trade (Strait of Hormuz, Strait of Gibraltar etc), Muslim countries dominate most important land on planet (The vast central Asia), and countries like Pakistan are a "pivot" between flow of resources and prosperity of half of humanity...

This critical leverage kept Islamic World the most dominant civilization of the planet for 1000+ years (70% of its entire history)..A feat unmatched by any other human civilization till now.

But this has also brought the worst hammer of different invading powers on Muslims...

Only if Muslims become rational and start to realize their true potential...
Your post gives one the impression that Muslims rule the world - well almost! Ok, but what has your post got to do with the topic of this thread which is about Pakistan acquiring mine resistant vehicles? :blink:
 
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Source: Pakistan Already Has US-Made MRAPs, New Deal in Works
Apr. 2, 2014 - 03:08PM | By PAUL McLEARY |


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Mine resistant ambush protected vehicles are loaded onto the USNS Pililaau in 2007 at the seaport of Charleston, S.C. (US Army)

WASHINGTON — While controversy swirls over reports that Pakistan may receive some of the excess Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles that the United States has sitting in Afghanistan, American and Pakistani officials are on the verge of completing a deal to send new and excess MRAPs to Islamabad, Defense News has learned.

The 160 vehicles, all of which would be the MaxxPro MRAP variant made by US manufacturer Navistar, would be a mix of new builds and some from US Army prepositioned stocks in Kuwait, according to a person familiar with the negotiations who is not authorized to speak for attribution.

While no formal notification of the deal has yet been sent to Congress since the last stages of the vetting process are still being completed, the official expected a notification to head to Capitol Hill by the end of this month.

The spat over the potential MRAP sale began in March when the Washington Post reported that the United States was considering giving Pakistan some MRAPs that the US didn’t want to pay to ship home once the mission in Afghanistan draws to a close. The report came at the same time as Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, commander of the coalition and US Forces in Afghanistan, said there are more than 1,200 excess MRAPs in country.

For a while, US forces were literally shredding to bits the hulking MRAP infantry carriers that it doesn’t want to pay to bring home, but Dunford has since put a halt to that program while final decisions on the ultimate fate of the fleet are being made.

The holdup on the deal for the 160 MRAPs centers around a congressionally mandated human rights vetting process that all US foreign training and equipping programs must undergo.

Known as the “Leahey Amendment” after the bill’s sponsor, Sen. Patrick Leahey of Vermont, the law stipulates that US forces cannot train or equip foreign military or police units that have been accused of human rights abuses.

The 160 MRAPs would be split among the branches of the Pakistani armed forces. Although specific army and air force units have been identified and vetted, the Pakistani Navy has yet to submit all of the required information, according to the official.

While it hasn’t been reported previously, the Pakistani armed forces have already been supplied with 22 MRAPs — 20 MaxxPro’s along with two “haulers” to move them if damaged — under a now-canceled State Department program known as the Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund. The vehicles were drawn out of the US Army’s existing stock in Kuwait.

The fund was axed in the US government’s fiscal 2014 budget.

The State Department and the US Embassy in Islamabad have been tying themselves in rhetorical knots over the past week trying to explain the situation over the potential MRAP transfer, all without giving specifics or mentioning the MRAPs already sent to Pakistan or the deal currently in the works.

On March 31, the Islamabad embassy issued a statement confirming that Pakistan has requested “a variety of Excess Defense Articles (EDA). The U.S. is currently reviewing Pakistan’s request.” In what appears to be a nod to the pending deal, the embassy added that “if approved, this EDA is likely to be sourced from U.S. stock outside Afghanistan.”

The State Department weighs EDA requests on a “case-by-case basis taking into consideration a range of factors including the need of potential recipients, regional security dynamics, how the recipient nations intend to use the equipment and the ability of an EDA recipient to sustain the equipment,” the embassy said. ■
Email: pmcleary@defensenews.com

These MaxxPro MRAPs are the first generation MRAPs the US ARMY used in Iraq, NOT Afghanistan. The fact they are coming from Kuwait confirms this. I wonder what condition these are in, must've been laying around for a few years now....
 
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Your post gives one the impression that Muslims rule the world - well almost!

Are you idiot?

My post is all about how Muslims are under-performing and are NOT living upto their potential. Does this sound "Muslims ruling the world" to you?

Muslims ruled the world for 1000+ years..roughly from 7th century to mid 17th-18th century...Mongol invasions was a break but Mongols themselves converted to Islam and built humungous Islamic empires.

As one Western historian said, if Aliens were to come to the World in 15th century, they would conclude that soon, the entire humanity will accept Islam. THAT was the dominance of Islamosphere over the world (All three great gunpower super-powers of Asia-Africa-Europe were Muslims)...

Muslims remained expanding/dominant civilization for 70%+ of their entire existence. A feat no human civilization/culture has matched in human history uptil now.

Anyways, that changed after 18th century and 19th/20th centuries are nothing but disaster for Muslims. We have to reverse that, and live upto our potential, Inshallah!

Stop getting jealous and mad. Just because Muslims ruled your country for centuries, it doesn't mean you hate on us always. Move on.

Ok, but what has your post got to do with the topic of this thread which is about Pakistan acquiring mine resistant vehicles?:blink:

It relates to the security of Pakistan--and since Pakistan is a 'pivot' state that can (and already has) change the course of history---its security is mighty important.
 
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There is lack of Big scoop news , sadly we are content with Trucks and Jeeps now
 
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There is lack of Big scoop news , sadly we are content with Trucks and Jeeps now
So there is a possibility that SLIENTLY all of the 13000 MRAPs will be given to PA. I think PA should also ask for 15000 Humvess in KSA Army as KSA is now building their own Humvees and MRAPs along with other countries like Jordan and UAE which would also supply their designed vehicles to Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait as well as to Lebanon.
 
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Good news . should provide way better protection than those nanga toyotas.
But i was assuming the cougar instead of the maxpro. Anyhow if the maxpro fits the bill then why not
 
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Are you idiot?
Yes I am! But a little less than you, in degree!

It relates to the security of Pakistan--and since Pakistan is a 'pivot' state that can (and already has) change the course of history---its security is mighty important.
Oh yeah! Blah, blah and more blah!! :blah: Pivot state? Change the course of history?? :woot: :omghaha:

Which world are you living in? Hallucinating ain't a good habit.
 
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But yar agar kuch daina hay to thora bohat dain to sahi..! 160/180 say itni bari army and air force ka kya bnay ga?
bro 180 is more then enough in current situation. These vehicles only use for mobilization, which may be used in western border area. And Air force don't need it there job is only in Base they don't need any large mobilization like army. And don't worry Pakistan will make it by own through reverse engineering in which we are expert :-). I heard Pakistan already ordered for OTOKAR COBRA made by Turkey has same characteristics.
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hese MaxxPro MRAPs are the first generation MRAPs

We don't know this.

Regardless, they're a much better option than toyota and mitsubishi pickups.

The fact they are coming from Kuwait confirms this

The fact that they're coming from Kuwait doesn't tell us anything as to their history. The US regularly rotates war stock, whether it be on US national guard bases Stateside or stocks in Okinawa, S Korea, Philippines, Qatar, Germany, Diego Garcia or Kuwait.

I wonder what condition these are in, must've been laying around for a few years now

If usual storage procedures have been followed, they'll be protected from the dust and sand. Given the hot and dry climate in Kuwait, they will likely be in excellent condition (no corrosion).
 
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what is the use of these vehicle for Pakistan, who is laying mines inside Pakistan
 
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