Pakistan Air Force will have to operate from Afghanistan to escape S-400: Senior Indian MoD official

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

S400 sales are linked with T50 PAK FA version .It will be interested to know how many T-50 IAF will opt for and remmeber there is always a time line for such orders. Funny thing is these days Technology is changing very quickly first you employ BVR then comes Intelligent CHaff/Flares and other systems ,Dont you think S400 is threat to US interest /Turkey/ In South China Nations ,I am very much confident putting UAV is not a solution there was a time when IAF deploys AWACS first in early 2000 we were able to survive still im sure there are proven technologies which will defeat this .Primary question remains

1. When and where S400 will be employed
2. What version/range it will employ

These are few questions and Im sure there will be many more its not always the superior weapon wins its always the intelligent super survival weapon that wins .Let me give you a hint just for the sake of conversation we already have quite a lot stand off weapon capability against Sea /Land targets with terrain hugging missiles .Against the arguments that Aerial tankers and AWACs are first one to be taken out by either site ,i beg to differ these tankers and AWACS will be secure first and have good survivability so they will se quite safe but this i can tell you first thing which will be taken out will be Ground base Radars and SAMs of both sides .Indian`s can chest thrump at the moment but fact to the matter is S400 like any other system are vulnerable and can be taken out

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SO this is one example and funny thing is in military world word of mouth spreads like any thing as what you called Brothers in Arm .So Pakistan planners need to invest in sub systems which can take care of these Giant killers

Turkey has already done that.

 

[Osiris]

As such I would not fret that much about the S-400. The amount it is being played up by the Chief(or rather Indian fanboys) versus its actual effectiveness against low flying targets is greatly disproportionate.
In addition, the system's operational deployment itself will be limited by the IAF's offensive operations and the basic need for IFF before engaging. Sure, in peacetime knowing that a flaplid radar is tracking you can be disconcerting but as such when it comes to operational warfare its dent will be less considering the PAF's ample low level stand off options (much more than the IAF).

IFF is not that difficult..It is a simple transponder and a software. When interrogating friendly aircraft it receives positive response. In case of an enemy aircraft there is no response from the aircraft and is classified as enemy.

BEL makes this system, which equips all Indian aircrafts.

 

[SQ8]

IFF is not that difficult..It is a simple transponder and a software. When interrogating friendly aircraft it receives positive response. In case of an enemy aircraft there is no response from the aircraft and is classified as enemy.

BEL makes this system, which equips all Indian aircrafts.

Thank you captain obvious, but the issue is not IFF.. but usage of the system in a contested airspace over enemy territory. Please see the ideas of people regarding Russia's deployment of the S-300 in Syria.

 

[Khafee]

The Constitution is never suspended.

You have taken on the Bhakts. I sincerely fear for your safety.

 

[Viper0011.]

Here's what will happen. Pakistan will put in a few hundreds of their cheap as* high speed target drones which emit Mirage and F-7's radar frequencies for Target practice and to confuse other radars.

The S-400's will be chasing those down to Afghanistan or right at the border, doesn't really matter. After the S-400's have obtained locks (which would take like a few seconds post firing due to close proximity), the second layer behind the target drones will be ready for CAPs and defensive sorties. Not to mention, the location of all launchers will be tracked obviously and plenty of stand off munitions like Mar-M1, HARM, etc, will be on their way to take out the radars.

I guess India will need to call the Russians to send an Antonov with a fresh supply of missiles, which would take a few days, and a few days to ship to where the launchers may be. By then, either the war would be over due to big daddy hushing every child in the room up, or the children would go MAD!!

What's the benefit of S-400 in this scenario? Back to the planet earth guys, let's talk about some real things. The S-400 can cause issues for a few jets pre-conflict, or in a smaller conflict where you may have a few jets involved and not a full scale war (that's what I explained above).

Note to the OP is that Pakistan also has FD-2000, which are a derivative of the S-300 system. So should the Pakistanis be thinking that Indian AF will be operating all their jets past Bombay towards the Sri Lankan side to avoid these? These are silly statements to make and childish emotional statements.

No one is a child and stupid like the OP or the person making such comment thinks. The Pakistanis have contained India for 6+ decades and they'll continue to do so in the future also. That much, I can guarantee as that's their number 1 national security priority

This was probably the $6 ~billion deal between Almaz Antei - Reliance signed when Modi visited Russia and expected to enter service by 2019.

As for Chinese S 300/HQ 9 or S 400 threat, IAF operates anti radiation IAI Haroop and Harpy, which is also the Israeli answer to the S 300 acquisition by Iran @500 can tell us about Harop Range and how it can neutralize S 300.

Pakistan also has US built HARM's (top line, nothing beats them and they can be used as a plug in with DRFM, the main tech that's the most sensitive piece in the block 52). Plus, the PAF operates Mectron's M1, and a couple of the Chinese options also. Whether India grows 50% more or remains the same, there ain't going to be 5000 launching batteries . The few dozen, with today's tech (Erieye, KE AEW) and F-16's with options described above, can easily be taken out, from like 80-100 miles away......

When you people come back to planet earth and the bloating stops, write a response with some facts so we can have a knowledgeable debate. Otherwise, I don't really like to deal with adult internet warriors, or emotional children writing sensational Indian movies type statements. This isn't a movie review of some Bollywood movie, its a defense forum, in case you forgot

 

[Joe Shearer]

You have taken on the Bhakts. I sincerely fear for your safety.

I have opposed the Bhakts from a long while back, from PakTeaHouse onwards. I left this forum because the bhakts were getting completely lunatic. They haven't really improved much.

 

[Zee-shaun]

Afghanistan is our backyard. It won't be a bad idea to have a military base there in future.

 

[Nattmara]

Pakistan also has US built HARM's (top line, nothing beats them and they can be used as a plug in with DRFM, the main tech that's the most sensitive piece in the block 52).

HARM... ? Any source.

And no, even if they did, it's not the top-of-the-line version. Only Italy and the US use the AGM-88E AARGM Advanced Anti-radiation Guided Missile, the most modern HARM variant.

 

[Khafee]

HARM... ? Any source.

And no, even if they did, it's not the top-of-the-line version. Only Italy and the US use the AGM-88E AARGM Advanced Anti-radiation Guided Missile, the most modern HARM variant.

@Windjammer HARM is in the PAF inventory. Right?

 

[MilSpec]

A callous statement from MOD official if true. Indian air defence is purely for defence of Indian Air space, period. If anything there are gaping holes in the air defence sphere of Indian military establishment which needs immediate attention, S400 is just a small quick fix measure to a much larger problem.

 

[Viper0011.]

HARM... ? Any source.

And no, even if they did, it's not the top-of-the-line version. Only Italy and the US use the AGM-88E AARGM Advanced Anti-radiation Guided Missile, the most modern HARM variant.

The seekers and the tech are the same, with some modifications to jamming sensors overtime and the size and capacity of the rocket motor has changed. If you don't have command over the subject, not sure why are you writing on this post.

AGM-88 A were provided to Pakistan way back when to take out Russian batteries that they might put inside Afghanistan, close to Pakistan's operating air-space. Then there were "unconfirmed reports" of those getting upgrades to the most recent batch. This is history like 30+ years ago, they didn't have the internet back then with PDF and you on it. You should contact the PAF to find out. I am telling you what I know from way back when..

Also, what the US uses herself, is a proprietary of the US government. No matter who the US exports to, that tech is never shared. Similarly, the E version is different for Italy than it is for the US. The US version is a LOT more sophisticated with futuristic tech that's not even out there in the globe.

 

[Nattmara]

The seekers and the tech are the same, with some modifications to jamming sensors overtime and the size and capacity of the rocket motor has changed. If you don't have command over the subject, not sure why are you writing on this post.

Yeah, I was about to ask you the same question. Because you obviously didn't bother to research before posting:

The AGM-88E AARGM is a medium-range air-to-ground missile employed for Suppression and/or Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD/DEAD). An ACAT IC Cooperative program with the Italian Air Force, the AARGM system is an upgrade and compliment to the AGM-88 High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM). The AARGM System Development and Demonstration (SD&D) program designed and produced a new Guidance Section, and modified the existing Control Section, which are coupled with the legacy HARM Rocket Motor and Warhead Section, wings and fins. AARGM baseline capabilities include an expanded target set, counter-shutdown capability, advanced signals processing for improved detection and locating, geographic specificity providing aircrew the opportunity to define missile-impact zones and impact-avoidance zones, and a weapon impact-assessment broadcast capability providing for battle damage assessment cueing.

http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cf...play&key=AF4153AA-5454-44D2-B01A-AA69417C5B49

http://dtic.mil/ndia/2009gunmissile/AARGM.pdf

Guidance system... that's the seeker. GPS/Internal navigation system and MMW radar. The seekers are not the same. The tech is not the same.

According to the missile's producer, ATK, there were no modifications to size either.

AGM-88 A were provided to Pakistan way back when to take out Russian batteries that they might put inside Afghanistan, close to Pakistan's operating air-space. Then there were "unconfirmed reports" of those getting upgrades to the most recent batch. This is history like 30+ years ago, they didn't have the internet back then with PDF and you on it. You should contact the PAF to find out. I am telling you what I know from way back when..

So no source? That's a lot of words just to say, "no, I don't have a source."

I'll wait for @Windjammer then, as @Khafee kindly asked for. You tell me not to comment on subjects I've no command over, well same to you.

Thanks for nothing, but thank you @Khafee for requesting the help of the person who should have a more definitive answer... and an actual one.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

HARM... ? Any source.

And no, even if they did, it's not the top-of-the-line version. Only Italy and the US use the AGM-88E AARGM Advanced Anti-radiation Guided Missile, the most modern HARM variant.

Quite right

SIPRI database makes no mention of AGM-88 transfers to Pakistan

ransfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by recipient. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1950 to 2015

Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database

Information generated: 13 March 2016




Recipient/ Year Year(s) No.
supplier (S) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments





Pakistan

L: United States (4) LAADS Air search radar (1989) 1990 (4)

775 M-113 APC 1989 1989-1999 (775) M-113A2 version; most assembled from kits (delivered between 1989-1991/1995) in Pakistan


S: United States (100) M-4 Sherman Tank (1948) 1950 (100) Second-hand

(10) M-32 ARV (1949) 1950 (10) Probably Second-hand

1 Hiller-12/OH-23 Raven Light helicopter 1951 1952 1

(150) M-24 Chaffee Light tank (1953) 1954-1955 (150) Second-hand

(50) M-41 Bulldog Light tank (1953) 1954-1955 (50)

(80) F-86F Sabre Fighter aircraft 1954 1956-1958 (80) Second-hand but modernized before delivery; 'MAP' aid

40 F-86F Sabre Fighter aircraft (1954) 1957-1958 (40) 'MAP' aid

(26) M-115 203mm Towed gun (1954) 1955-1958 (26) Second-hand

(345) M-47 Patton Tank (1954) 1955-1960 (345) Second-hand

(30) M-59 155mm Towed gun (1954) 1954-1956 (30) Second-hand

(150) M-7 105mm Self-propelled gun (1954) 1955-1956 (150) Second-hand

(15) T-33A Shooting Star Trainer aircraft 1954 1955-1956 (15) Second-hand; 'MAP' aid; no. could be 32

8 Adjutant Minesweeper 1955 1955-1963 8 'MAP' aid

(300) M-101A1 105mm Towed gun 1955 1955-1957 (300) Second-hand; aid

(25) M-19 40mm SPAAG (1955) 1955 (25) Second-hand

4 HU-16B Albatross MP/transport ac (1956) 1956-1957 (4) Second-hand; SA-16A SAR version

(25) M-36 Jackson Tank (1956) 1958 (25) Second-hand

6 RT-33A T-Bird Reconnaissance ac (1956) 1957 6 'MAP' aid

8 S-55 Helicopter 1956 1958 8 For SAR; 'MAP' aid

60 O-1/L-19 Bird Dog Light aircraft (1957) 1957-1958 (60) Probably second-hand (but maximum few years old); 'MDAP' aid

4 S-55 Helicopter (1957) 1957 (4)

(500) AIM-9B Sidewinder-1A SRAAM (1958) 1959-1963 (500) For F-86, F-104 and F-6 combat aircraft

26 Canberra B-57B Bomber aircraft (1958) 1959 26 Second-hand (but only few years old); 'MAP' aid; incl 2 B-57C trainer version

1 Bonanza Light aircraft (1959) 1960 1 Bonanza V-35 version

2 FPS-20 Air search radar (1959) 1960 2 'MAP' aid

2 FPS-6 Height-finding radar (1959) 1960 2 'MAP' aid

1 Navajo/ATF Tug 1959 1959 1 Second-hand; Paksitani designation Madadgar

(12) F-104A Starfighter Fighter aircraft 1960 1961-1962 (12) Second-hand but modernized before delivery; incl 2 F-104B

(60) M-114 155mm Towed gun (1960) 1960-1963 (60) Second-hand

(200) M-48 Patton Tank (1960) 1961-1964 (200) Second-hand

(10) T-6 Texan Trainer aircraft (1960) 1960 (10) Second-hand

1 Turbo Commander Light transport ac (1960) 1961 (1) Commander-690C version

27 T-37B Trainer aircraft (1961) 1962-1964 (27) 'MAP' aid; incl 21 T-37C version

4 C-130B Hercules Transport aircraft (1962) 1963 4 'MAP' aid

(6) HH-43B/F Huskie Helicopter (1962) 1963-1964 (6) For SAR; 'MAP' aid; HH-43F version

109 M-113 APC (1962) 1963-1964 (109)

1 Mission Oiler (1962) 1963 1 Second-hand; loan until bought in 1975; Pakistani designation Dacca

2 Queen Air Light transport ac (1962) 1963 2 Second-hand

(18) Bell-47/OH-13 Light helicopter (1963) 1964 (18) Second-hand; 'MAP' aid; no. could be up to 32

1 Tench Submarine (1963) 1964 1 Second-hand; lease; Pakistani designation Ghazi

1 Twin Bonanza Light transport ac (1963) 1964 1 U-8F version

(50) Mk-44 ASW torpedo (1964) 1965-1966 (50)

(1) RB-57F Canberra Reconnaissance ac 1964 1965 (1) Second-hand B-57/RB-57 rebuilt to RB-57F

1 Travel Air Light aircraft (1965) 1966 1

1 Turbo Commander Light transport ac (1965) 1966 1 Incl for VIP transport; Commander-690C version

6 T-37B Trainer aircraft (1967) 1968 (6) 'MAP' aid; T-37C version

(5) O-1/L-19 Bird Dog Light aircraft (1971) 1972 (5) Assembled in Pakistan

6 Bell-205/UH-1H Helicopter 1973 1973 6 Second-hand; aid

2 C-130B Hercules Transport aircraft (1973) 1974-1975 2 Second-hand

300 M-113 APC (1973) 1973-1975 (300) M-113A1 version

(500) AIM-9J/P Sidewinder SRAAM 1974 1974 (500) Second-hand AIM-9B version modernized after delivery to AIM-9J in Pakistan with US-supplied compoments

5 Cessna-172/T-41 Trainer/light ac (1974) 1975 5

7 T-37B Trainer aircraft (1974) 1977 7 'MAP' aid; T-37C version

12 Bell-206/OH-58 Light helicopter 1975 1976 12 Bell-206A version

16 T-37B Trainer aircraft (1976) 1977 (16) Second-hand; lease

2 Gearing FRAM-1 Destroyer 1977 1978 2 Second-hand but modernized before delivery; Pakistani designation Tariq

230 M-113 APC (1977) 1979-1980 (230) M-113A1 version

100 Mk-46 ASW torpedo (1977) 1978-1980 (100)

2 PA-34 Seneca Light transport ac (1977) 1978 2

1 Baron Light transport ac. (1979) 1980 1

3 C-130B Hercules Transport aircraft (1979) 1979-1981 3 Second-hand

6 T-37B Trainer aircraft (1979) 1980 6 Second-hand

6 TPS-43 Air search radar (1979) 1980-1981 (6) 'Crystal-2' programme; AN/TPS-43G version

2 Gearing FRAM-1 Destroyer 1980 1980 2 Second-hand; $0.4 m deal; Pakistani designation Tariq

10 AH-1S Cobra Combat helicopter 1981 1984-1985 10

1005 BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 1981 1983-1986 (1005) For M-901 tank destroyers and Bell-209/AH-1S helicopters

40 F-16A FGA aircraft 1981 1983-1985 (40) $1.2 b 'Peace Gate-1' and 'Peace Gate-2' deal; F-16 Block-15 version; incl 11 F-16B

64 M-109A1 155mm Self-propelled gun 1981 1983-1984 (64) M-109A2 version

40 M-110A2 203mm Self-propelled gun 1981 1984-1985 (40)

75 M-198 155mm Towed gun 1981 1984-1986 (75)

100 M-48A5 Patton Tank 1981 1982-1983 (100) Second-hand

(52) M-88 ARV 1981 1984-1986 (52) M-88A1 version

24 M-901 ITV Tank destroyer 1981 1984-1985 (24)

10 AH-1S Cobra Combat helicopter 1982 1986 10

2 Gearing FRAM-1 Destroyer (1982) 1982-1983 2 Second-hand; Pakistani designation Tariq

36 M-109A1 155mm Self-propelled gun 1982 1984-1985 (36) $30 m deal; M-109A2 version

(9) TPQ-36 Firefinder Arty locating radar (1982) 1984-1985 (9)

1 Turbo Commander Light transport ac (1983) 1983 1 Second-hand; Commander-840 version

(100) AGM-65 Maverick ASM (1985) 1986-1987 (100) AGM-65B version

500 AIM-9L/M Sidewinder SRAAM 1985 1985-1987 (500) $50 m deal; AIM-9L version; incl for F-16A combat aircraft; delivered after Soviet aircraft from Afghanistan violated Pakistani airspace

(100) FIM-92 Stinger Portable SAM 1985 1985 (100) Taken by Pakistan from US aid destined forAfghan Mujahideen

(52) M-109A1 155mm Self-propelled gun (1985) 1988-1989 (52) M-109A2 version

110 M-113 APC (1985) 1986-1987 (110) $25 m deal; M-113A2 version

4 TPQ-37 Firefinder Arty locating radar (1985) 1987-1996 (4) Delivery of last embargoed between 1992 and 1995

2030 BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 1986 1987-1990 (2030) $20 m deal; BGM-71C ITOW version

(50) FIM-92 Stinger Portable SAM (1987) 1987 (50) Taken by Pakistan from US aid destined forAfghan Mujahideen

6 Mk-15 Phalanx CIWS (1987) 1987-1988 (6) For modernization of 6 Gearing (Tariq) destroyers

(20) RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-ship missile (1987) 1987-1988 20 For modernized Gearing destroyer

(360) AIM-9L/M Sidewinder SRAAM 1988 1996 (360) $20 m deal; AIM-9L version; delivery embargoed between 1992 and 1995

4 Brooke Frigate 1988 1989 4 Second-hand; 5-year lease; Pakistani designation Badr

4 Garcia Frigate 1988 1989 4 Second-hand; 5-year lease; Pakistani designation Saif Class

(25) M-198 155mm Towed gun 1988 1989 (25) Part of $40 m deal

24 M-198 155mm Towed gun 1988 1996 24 $19 m deal; delivery embargoed between 1992 and 1995

1 Mk-15 Phalanx CIWS (1988) 1988 1 For modernization of 1 Country (Babur) destroyer

(80) Mk-46 ASW torpedo (1988) 1989 (80) Probably Second-hand; for Brooke (Badr) frigates

3 P-3C Orion Update-2.5 ASW aircraft 1988 1996-1997 3 $139 m deal; delivery embargoed between 1992 and 1995; P-3C Orion Update-2.75 version

44 RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-ship missile 1988 1990-1991 (44) For modernized Gearing (Alamgir) destroyers

(75) RIM-66B Standard-1MR SAM 1988 1989 (75) Probably Second-hand; for Brooke (Badr) frigates

5 TPQ-36 Firefinder Arty locating radar 1988 1989 5

1 Ajax Support ship 1989 1989 1 Second-hand repair ship; 5-year lease; Pakistani designation Moawin Class

28 RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-ship missile 1990 1996 (28) $31 m deal; AGM-84A version for P-3C ASW aircraft; delivery embargoed between 1992 and 1995

4 TPQ-36 Firefinder Arty locating radar (1990) 1996 (4) Deal worth $105 m; delivery embargoed between 1992 and 1995

5 Model-300 Light helicopter (1992) 1993 (5) Schweizer-269C or Schweizer-300C version; for training

(250) 6V-53 Diesel engine (2000) 2005-2006 (250) For Talha APC and Al Qaswa ALV produced in Pakistan

5 Bell-205/UH-1 Huey-2 Helicopter (2001) 2002 5 Second-hand UH-1H rebuilt to Huey-2 before delivery; part of $73 m US; for Ministry of Interior; aid for Afghan border patrol and anti-narcotics operations

3 Cessna-208 Caravan Light transport ac (2001) 2002 (3) For Ministry of Interior; aid for Afghan border patrol and anti-narcotics operations

(100) Paveway Guided bomb (2001) 2002 (100) Paveway-2 version

6 CT7 Turboprop 2002 2004 (6) For 3 CN-235 transport aircraft from Indonesia; CT-7-9C3 version

(40) T-37B Trainer aircraft 2003 2009-2012 (40) Second-hand; aid; possibly modernized before delivery; probably 19 more for spare parts

(12) AH-1F Cobra Combat helicopter 2004 2007 (12) Second-hand but modernized before delivery; $48 m 'FMF' aid; 20-28 more for spare parts only

26 Bell-412 Helicopter 2004 2004-2005 26 Originally $230 m deal for 2 year lease but given to Pakistan in 2007 (financed with 'CSF' aid); from Canadian production line; for use in 'war on terrorism'; incl some for police; Bell-412EP version

(2007) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile (2004) 2006-2008 (2007) $82 m deal; TOW-2A version; for AH-1 combat helicopters

6 C-130E Hercules Transport aircraft 2004 2005-2007 (6) Second-hand aircraft sold back to US producer and sold to Pakistan; $64 m or $76 m deal (financed with 'FMF' aid); modernized before delivery; 1 more for spares only

300 AIM-9L/M Sidewinder SRAAM 2005 2007 300 $29 m deal; AIM-9M1/2 version

14 F-16A FGA aircraft 2005 2005-2008 14 Second-hand (but only used 2-4 years); originally produced for Pakistan but delivery embargoed 1988, taken over by USA 2002 and after few years given as aid to Pakistan); aid

7 P-3CUP Orion ASW aircraft 2005 2007-2012 7 Second-hand P-3C rebuilt to P-3CUP (paid with $970 m US 'SAP' aid); first 2 delivered without complete systems (to be installed later)

(50) RGM-84L Harpoon-2 Anti-ship MI/SSM 2005 2006-2007 (50) $63 m deal; incl 40 AGM-84L version

6 TPS-77 Air search radar 2005 2008-2009 (6) $89 m or $100 m deal (financed with 'FMF' aid)

500 JDAM Guided bomb (2006) 2010-2011 (500)

115 M-109A5 155mm Self-propelled gun 2006 2007-2010 (115) Second-hand; $87 m deal (incl $53-57 m 'FMF' aid)

1600 Paveway Guided bomb (2006) 2010 (1600) Incl 700 GBU-12 and 300 GBU-10 version

2 TF-50 Gas turbine 2006 2007-2008 2 For MRTP-33 FAC delivered by Turkey

18 AAQ-33 Sniper Aircraft EO system 2007 2010 (18) For F-16 combat aircraft

(500) AIM-120C AMRAAM BVRAAM 2007 2010-2014 (500) $265 m deal; AIM-120C-5 version; for F-16 combat aircraft

200 AIM-9L/M Sidewinder SRAAM 2007 2010 (200) AIM-9M8 and AIM-9M9 version; for F-16 combat aircraft

(35) APG-68 Combat ac radar 2007 2012-2014 (35) APG-68(V)9 version for 'Mid-Life Update' (MLU) modernization of 35 F-16A combat aircraft to F-16C (F-16AM or F-16MLU)

4 Bell-205/UH-1 Huey-2 Helicopter (2007) 2008 (4) Second-hand UH-1H rebuilt to Huey-2 before delivery; for Ministry of Interior; aid for Afghan border patrol and anti-narcotics operations

(3198) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile (2007) 2008-2011 (3198) $185 m deal; incl 2776 TOW-2A and 422 TOW-2RF

18 F-16C Block-50/52 FGA aircraft 2007 2010 18 $1.4 b 'Peace Drive 1' deal (part of $3.1 b deal); incl 6 F-16D

10 RGM-84L Harpoon-2 Anti-ship MI/SSM 2007 2009 (10) $16 m deal; AGM-84L version; for P-3C ASW aircraft

4 AAQ-33 Sniper Aircraft EO system (2008) 2011 (4)

5 Bell-205/UH-1 Huey-2 Helicopter (2008) 2009 5 Second-hand UH-1H rebuilt to Huey-2 before delivery; for Ministry of Interior; aid for Afghan border patrol and anti-narcotics operations

2 King Air-350 ISR AGS aircraft 2008 2011 2 King Air-350 version; aid

2 Bell-412 Helicopter 2009 2010 2 $23-24 m aid, Bell-412EP version

(2) DB-110 Aircraft recce system (2009) 2009 (2) For F-16 combat aircraft

10 Mi-8MT/Mi-17 Transport helicopter 2009 2009 10 Second-hand; Mi-17 version; incl 6 on 5-year lease; aid

1 RH-800RA/SIG Reconnaissance ac 2009 2010 1 Hawker-850XP version

20 Cougar APC 2010 2010 (20) Buffalo EOD version; aid

(550) M-113 APC (2010) 2011-2015 (550) Second-hand; M-113A2 version; aid

1 Perry Frigate 2010 2011 1 Second-hand; aid; modernized in $65 m deal before delivery

(10) APG-68 Combat ac radar (2011) 2014 (10) APG-68(V)9 version for 'Mid-Life Update' (MLU) modernization of 10 F-16A combat aircraft to F-16C (F-16AM or F-16MLU)

5 DB-110 Aircraft recce system 2011 2013 (5) Part of $72m deal; for F-16 combat aircraft

2 King Air-350 ISR AGS aircraft (2011) 2013 2 King Air-350 ISR version; aid

(1) King Air Light transport ac (2013) 2013 1 Second-hand; King Air-350i version

22 MaxxPro APC 2013 2013 (22) Possibly second-hand; aid

15 ScanEagle UAV (2013) 2015 (15) $30 m 'FMF' aid

500 M-113 APC 2014 2015 (500) Second-hand; aid; M-113A2 version

15 AAQ-33 Sniper Aircraft EO system 2015 2015 (5)

(15) AH-1Z Combat helicopter 2015

Besides if Pakistan possessed HARMs Pakistan wouldn't go for Brazilian MAR-1s

 

[Viper0011.]

Yeah, I was about to ask you the same question. Because you obviously didn't bother to research before posting:

The AGM-88E AARGM is a medium-range air-to-ground missile employed for Suppression and/or Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD/DEAD). An ACAT IC Cooperative program with the Italian Air Force, the AARGM system is an upgrade and compliment to the AGM-88 High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM). The AARGM System Development and Demonstration (SD&D) program designed and produced a new Guidance Section, and modified the existing Control Section, which are coupled with the legacy HARM Rocket Motor and Warhead Section, wings and fins. AARGM baseline capabilities include an expanded target set, counter-shutdown capability, advanced signals processing for improved detection and locating, geographic specificity providing aircrew the opportunity to define missile-impact zones and impact-avoidance zones, and a weapon impact-assessment broadcast capability providing for battle damage assessment cueing.

http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cf...play&key=AF4153AA-5454-44D2-B01A-AA69417C5B49

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http://dtic.mil/ndia/2009gunmissile/AARGM.pdf

Guidance system... that's the seeker. GPS/Internal navigation system and MMW radar. The seekers are not the same. The tech is not the same.

According to the missile's producer, ATK, there were no modifications to size either.



So no source? That's a lot of words just to say, "no, I don't have a source."

I'll wait for @Windjammer then, as @Khafee kindly asked for. You tell me not to comment on subjects I've no command over, well same to you.

Thanks for nothing, but thank you @Khafee for requesting the help of the person who should have a more definitive answer... and an actual one.

Someone's on fire obviously. Thank you for posting the PDF which I've read about a few dozens of times, from A to E version. If you see my post above, I did tell you the changes in rocket motor, and censor upgrades. But what you don't understand is, when someone says "the tech is the same", it means that the principles of technology and functionality haven't changed. They were upgraded. For example, if a missile had a radar and censors for passive detection back in the 80's, they'd be using heavy electric cables, vacuum bulbs, etc. But the newer technology (high speed computing), means now the new missiles have stuff like Fiber Optics in them, along with processors that may be 10 times smaller, but compute 100 times faster.

But, it still doesn't mean the A version will be fired and will be lost and the E version will hit it like Bulls eye!! So try to understand the other party's comment before going all emotional and hurt.

And yes, there is no source as this is a fact that I know personally and nor is there going to be a link giving me 30 years ago details. You can also do your own research too, I am sure you can pull google up and spend a few hours .

Also, the topic doesn't need to be limited to just AGM-88, the Pakistanis also have Mar-1 and the Chinese copy of HARM too. Would you like to challenge the other two also?

 

[Khafee]

Yeah, I was about to ask you the same question. Because you obviously didn't bother to research before posting:

The AGM-88E AARGM is a medium-range air-to-ground missile employed for Suppression and/or Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD/DEAD). An ACAT IC Cooperative program with the Italian Air Force, the AARGM system is an upgrade and compliment to the AGM-88 High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM). The AARGM System Development and Demonstration (SD&D) program designed and produced a new Guidance Section, and modified the existing Control Section, which are coupled with the legacy HARM Rocket Motor and Warhead Section, wings and fins. AARGM baseline capabilities include an expanded target set, counter-shutdown capability, advanced signals processing for improved detection and locating, geographic specificity providing aircrew the opportunity to define missile-impact zones and impact-avoidance zones, and a weapon impact-assessment broadcast capability providing for battle damage assessment cueing.

http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cf...play&key=AF4153AA-5454-44D2-B01A-AA69417C5B49

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http://dtic.mil/ndia/2009gunmissile/AARGM.pdf

Guidance system... that's the seeker. GPS/Internal navigation system and MMW radar. The seekers are not the same. The tech is not the same.

According to the missile's producer, ATK, there were no modifications to size either.



So no source? That's a lot of words just to say, "no, I don't have a source."

I'll wait for @Windjammer then, as @Khafee kindly asked for. You tell me not to comment on subjects I've no command over, well same to you.

Thanks for nothing, but thank you @Khafee for requesting the help of the person who should have a more definitive answer... and an actual one.

PAF has HARM that I'm sure about. What I'm not sure about is which version. Therefore the update from @Windjammer would help.

Besides if Pakistan possessed HARMs Pakistan wouldn't go for Brazilian MAR-1s

Spewing clueless BS again as usual. What's new?