Pakistan Air Force Transport

[GriffinsRule]

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Another 50yr old aircraft. Why not the RAF C-130Js

 

[nomi007]

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50 years old junk aircrafts, I think RAF C-130J-30 will be the best option rather than to buy old airframe.

 

[arslank03]

"50 year old junk" lol PAF airframes been in service since 63, these came a decade later, have basically barely been touched, with tens of thousands of hours of life left in them and thats excluding an optional SLEP which can extend their life by another 40 years...

 

[Bossman]

50 years old junk aircrafts, I think RAF C-130J-30 will be the best option rather than to buy old airframe.

Not Junk. PAF has mastery over the H and can literally rebuilt them from the rivet up. They don’t have that same expertise with the J. USAF is still flying older B52 and will fly them for another 30 years.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Another 50yr old aircraft. Why not the RAF C-130Js

50 years old junk aircrafts, I think RAF C-130J-30 will be the best option rather than to buy old airframe.

Do both of you really have no idea how airframes work despite having several airframes in your own Air Force that are over a decade older than these? It’s not the years that count, metal just doesn’t age sitting there, it’s the flight hours, and these likely have less flight hours than PAFs newest C-130s and likely even the British C-130Js.

Not that the C-130H models were produced from the 1960s all the way to 1996 as the H1, H2 (came in 1970s, likely original configuration of Belgian ones) and H3 configurations, with the H3 coming in the 90s. Belgian C-130s are from the 1970s but have very likely been modernized to the H3 standard, in which case they would be the most modern C-130s in PAF service. I too wish they’d have gotten the British C-130Js but with our current economic state we’re not really in the position to buy anything nice, even used aircraft.

Does anyone know how many were getting? BAF had 11 total.

 

[JamD]

Do both of you really have no idea how airframes work despite having several airframes in your own Air Force that are over a decade older than these? It’s not the years that count, metal just doesn’t age sitting there, it’s the flight hours, and these likely have less flight hours than PAFs newest C-130s and likely even the British C-130Js.

Not that the C-130H models were produced from the 1960s all the way to 1996 as the H1, H2 and H3 configurations, with the H3 coming in the 90s. Belgian C-130s are from the 1970s but have very likely been modernized to the H3 standard, in which case they would be the most modern C-130s in PAF service. I too wish they’d have gotten the British C-130Js but with our current economic state we’re not really in the position to buy anything nice, even used aircraft.

Does anyone know how many were getting? BAF had 11 total.

Belgian Air Force puts C-130 Hercules fleet on sale

The Belgian Air Force has put its fleet of Lockheed C-130 Hercules transport aircraft on sale: the nine remaining aircraft (from an initial fleet of

www.aviation24.be

They have 9. I wonder if we bought all 9. It would be a nice addition.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Belgian Air Force puts C-130 Hercules fleet on sale

The Belgian Air Force has put its fleet of Lockheed C-130 Hercules transport aircraft on sale: the nine remaining aircraft (from an initial fleet of

www.aviation24.be

They have 9. I wonder if we bought all 9. It would be a nice addition.

Their original deliveries were 12, I see 3 have been lost over time. 9 would be a very good addition, the article says they’ve been modernized too, probably to the H3 standard.

The C-130H model has updated Allison T56-A-15 turboprops, a redesigned outer wing, updated avionics and other minor improvements. Later H models had a new, fatigue-life-improved, center wing that was retrofitted to many earlier H-models. For structural reasons, some models are required to land with reduced amounts of fuel when carrying heavy cargo, reducing usable range.The H model remains in widespread use with the United States Air Force(USAF) and many foreign air forces. Initial deliveries began in 1964 (to the RNZAF), remaining in production until 1996. An improved C-130H was introduced in 1974, with Australia purchasing 12 of type in 1978 to replace the original 12 C-130A models, which had first entered Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) service in 1958. The U.S. Coast Guard employs the HC-130H for long-range search and rescue, drug interdiction, illegal migrant patrols, homeland security, and logistics.

C-130H models produced from 1992 to 1996 were designated as C-130H3 by the USAF. The "3" denoting the third variation in design for the H series. Improvements included ring laser gyros for the INUs, GPS receivers, a partial glass cockpit (ADI and HSI instruments), a more capable APN-241 color radar, night vision device compatible instrument lighting, and an integrated radar and missile warning system. The electrical system upgrade included Generator Control Units (GCU) and Bus Switching units (BSU) to provide stable power to the more sensitive upgraded components.​

 

[ziaulislam]

Belgian Air Force puts C-130 Hercules fleet on sale

The Belgian Air Force has put its fleet of Lockheed C-130 Hercules transport aircraft on sale: the nine remaining aircraft (from an initial fleet of

www.aviation24.be

They have 9. I wonder if we bought all 9. It would be a nice addition.

What surprises me how did uncle sam allowed it..
Indians are very good at what they do..they would even vomplains about pakistan getting tissue paper let alone USA components

 

[GriffinsRule]

Do both of you really have no idea how airframes work despite having several airframes in your own Air Force that are over a decade older than these? It’s not the years that count, metal just doesn’t age sitting there, it’s the flight hours, and these likely have less flight hours than PAFs newest C-130s and likely even the British C-130Js.

Not that the C-130H models were produced from the 1960s all the way to 1996 as the H1, H2 (came in 1970s, likely original configuration of Belgian ones) and H3 configurations, with the H3 coming in the 90s. Belgian C-130s are from the 1970s but have very likely been modernized to the H3 standard, in which case they would be the most modern C-130s in PAF service. I too wish they’d have gotten the British C-130Js but with our current economic state we’re not really in the position to buy anything nice, even used aircraft.

Does anyone know how many were getting? BAF had 11 total.

Well aware of how it works thanks. I guess this is a beggars can't be choosers reality in action. And yes I would have preferred the J's over these. Regardless, PAF is desperately short on transport aircraft esp since we have lost C-130s in the recent years so any addition is welcome.

What surprises me how did uncle sam allowed it..
Indians are very good at what they do..they would even vomplains about pakistan getting tissue paper let alone USA components

It wasn't really broadcast and even now the news has been broken by a spotter

 

[iLION12345_1]

Well aware of how it works thanks. I guess this is a beggars can't be choosers reality in action. And yes I would have preferred the J's over these. Regardless, PAF is desperately short on transport aircraft esp since we have lost C-130s in the recent years so any addition is welcome.


It wasn't really broadcast and even now the news has been broken by a spotter

I was posting after a long while and didn’t notice who I was replying to, would never have said that if I noticed it was you
I know you’re well versed about this stuff.
Very Sorry about that.

And yeah, PAF is taking anything it gets at the moment, and it’s all welcomed honestly. Maybe they will still fit for the C130Js. Bangladesh only purchased a few of them.

 

[Raja Porus]

Will new sqn be raised?

 

[ziaulislam]

Well aware of how it works thanks. I guess this is a beggars can't be choosers reality in action. And yes I would have preferred the J's over these. Regardless, PAF is desperately short on transport aircraft esp since we have lost C-130s in the recent years so any addition is welcome.


It wasn't really broadcast and even now the news has been broken by a spotter

They have several spies in pakistan
So do we
It wont take much

 

[arslank03]

Belgian Air Force puts C-130 Hercules fleet on sale

The Belgian Air Force has put its fleet of Lockheed C-130 Hercules transport aircraft on sale: the nine remaining aircraft (from an initial fleet of

www.aviation24.be

They have 9. I wonder if we bought all 9. It would be a nice addition.

my guess is 7. 2 were retired very early on, 2017, so i suspect they may have had some underlying reason for that.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Belgian Air Force puts C-130 Hercules fleet on sale

The Belgian Air Force has put its fleet of Lockheed C-130 Hercules transport aircraft on sale: the nine remaining aircraft (from an initial fleet of

www.aviation24.be

They have 9. I wonder if we bought all 9. It would be a nice addition.

I agree.

While new-built gear is great for the long-term, they take more time to operationalize. For the PAF, a new-gen transport aircraft is a 10-15-year program to simply activate a serviceable fleet. This is on top of the steeper fiscal cost.

If we can swell our Hercules fleet by 40-50% using lower-cost used airframes, then I'm all for it. This is the equipment that helps us shore up our defenses in wartime/standoff-footing. We won't get a new-build system for years, but we can at least get these within months.

 

[GriffinsRule]

I agree.

While new-built gear is great for the long-term, they take more time to operationalize. For the PAF, a new-gen transport aircraft is a 10-15-year program to simply activate a serviceable fleet. This is on top of the steeper fiscal cost.

If we can swell our Hercules fleet by 40-50% using lower-cost used airframes, then I'm all for it. This is the equipment that helps us shore up our defenses in wartime/standoff-footing. We won't get a new-build system for years, but we can at least get these within months.

Yes, I've been advocating PAF buying surplus hercs for a while now. Was just hoping we would be able to get newer J variant but my guess is they will go to other NATO members or even India