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Pakistan Air Force – by International Experts
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General Yeagar's admiration for the PAF always gets the Indians really wound up. He's active on Twitter and the hatred the Indians have for this man is epic. He doesn't back down and responds to questions thrown his way.
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PAF is doping her job - be second to none...
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Hi,
We need some fresh reviews---.
We need some fresh reviews---.
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The PAF does punch above its weight, while the IAF is somewhat underwhelming compared to its size. However, the same is not true about the other branches of Indian's military, The fact is the IAF has been neglected for many years and has now become a political football.
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Chuck is just butthurt that the IAF blew his plane to smithereens. The fact that he thinks Pakistan won in 65 and 71 shows old age has not been kind to him.
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Yes, yes and when after the help of multiple countries and consuming 4 decades, your tejass started to scramble then made some talk! Until then **** off!
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Exploding a Myth
For the last two months, since an F-16 Fighting Falcon, pride of the Pakistan Air Force, crashed out of the Afghan skies, American and Pakistani experts have been desperately trying to figure out what happened in those frenetic minutes as two F-16s chased Afghan MiGs over the guerrilla country.
SHEKHAR GUPTA
July 31, 1987
ISSUE DATE: July 31, 1987
UPDATED: January 3, 2014 12:47 IST
F-16: new doubts
For the last two months, since an F-16 Fighting Falcon, pride of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), crashed out of the Afghan skies, American and Pakistani experts have been desperately trying to figure out what happened in those frenetic minutes as two F-16s chased Afghan MiGs over the guerrilla country. Details of the findings are now tumbling out in the defence grapevine. And if the findings are true, the Americans and the PAF could do without the embarrassment.
Sources in Pentagon confirm that it was neither the MiG-23s nor the latest MiG-29s that outnumbered or out gunned the Pakistani fighters. It was simply a case of mistaken identity: the leader of the Pakistani combat air patrol mission shot down his own wingman. The PAF has already held a court of inquiry into the incident and is sharing the findings with the US authorities.
This curious incident of mid-air fratricide in perfectly good weather has raised several questions in defence circles where new doubts have now cropped up about the F-16, touted for too long as the hottest fighter in the world and one whose capabilities has been exaggerated to mythical proportions by the media, especially in India.
Experts at Pentagon say they find it hard to believe how an F-16 could shoot its own wingman when the aircraft is equipped with one of the world's best IFF (identify friend or foe) system. The system shoots an electronic beam at the target and identifies the return beam as that of a friend or a foe. Further, when the missile locks onto the target the firing pilot switches on an air intercept interrogation system which further confirms the identity of the victim. It seems that in this case this was either not done or the system malfunctioned.
The Pentagon finds it painful to accept either. At Congressional hearings on the AWACS question last month, Pentagon experts called Pakistani pilots "some of the best in the world, next only to the Israelis", and find it even harder to accept failure of such crucial components of the F-16 system.
The Pentagon thus is more inclined to buy the Pakistani version of the incident. That the leader of the PAF fired his AIM-9L missile at the fleeing MiGs but in the heat of the battle his wingman, who too happened to be chasing the MiGs, came in the way. Since the F-16 has a much more powerful engine than any of the MiGs, the heat-seeking AIM-9L lost track and went straight for the F-16's exhaust. This version, however, knocks the bottom out of the earlier claim of the Pakistani lobby that the only reason the MiGs succeeded against them was the lack of an AWACS system on the Pakistani side of the Hindukush.
But the incident, viewed with several others in the recent past, delivers another nasty knock to the myth of the in vincibility of the F-16. The PAF has by now lost three of its 40 precious F-16s. One hit a pig that strayed onto the Sargodha runway and then a two-seat trainer crashed on take-off. The Dutch Air Force recently grounded its 200-odd F-16-A after defects were discovered. The Pakistanis obviously need in a hurry the 10 F-16s that they have sought in their arms aid package being currently debated.
But the biggest blow to the F-16 myth came when a Federal district jury in Tampa, Florida, recently awarded $3.1 million in damages to the widow of a United States Air Force (USAF) pilot, Captain Ted Harduvel who died in an F-16 crash in South Korea. The USAF and General Dynamics, the manufacturers of the aircraft, had blamed the crash on "errors by an over medicated pilot". But the widow, Janet, sued General Dynamics, charging that the aircraft was badly designed and wired. In a judgement that shocked the entire F-16 lobby, the court ruled that the wiring in the all-electronic aircraft was so shoddy it led to short-circuits that numbed the jet. "We came, we saw, we kicked ***. This clears my husband's name," said an excited Janet.
Understandably the accidents and misdirected missiles 'have led to consternation in the Pentagon and have raised fresh questions about the hype that is often built around western military equipment. Closer home, it provides comfort, and food for thought to the Indian Air Force strategists who have been studying the developments closely. The lessons are not to panic every time a MiG-23 crashes, and not to go into panic manoeuvres over any new piece of American equipment that the western media touts as the world's best and which the Pakistanis happen to acquire.
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...pabilities-after-paf-mishap-799104-1987-07-31
For the last two months, since an F-16 Fighting Falcon, pride of the Pakistan Air Force, crashed out of the Afghan skies, American and Pakistani experts have been desperately trying to figure out what happened in those frenetic minutes as two F-16s chased Afghan MiGs over the guerrilla country.
SHEKHAR GUPTA
July 31, 1987
ISSUE DATE: July 31, 1987
UPDATED: January 3, 2014 12:47 IST
F-16: new doubts
For the last two months, since an F-16 Fighting Falcon, pride of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), crashed out of the Afghan skies, American and Pakistani experts have been desperately trying to figure out what happened in those frenetic minutes as two F-16s chased Afghan MiGs over the guerrilla country. Details of the findings are now tumbling out in the defence grapevine. And if the findings are true, the Americans and the PAF could do without the embarrassment.
Sources in Pentagon confirm that it was neither the MiG-23s nor the latest MiG-29s that outnumbered or out gunned the Pakistani fighters. It was simply a case of mistaken identity: the leader of the Pakistani combat air patrol mission shot down his own wingman. The PAF has already held a court of inquiry into the incident and is sharing the findings with the US authorities.
This curious incident of mid-air fratricide in perfectly good weather has raised several questions in defence circles where new doubts have now cropped up about the F-16, touted for too long as the hottest fighter in the world and one whose capabilities has been exaggerated to mythical proportions by the media, especially in India.
Experts at Pentagon say they find it hard to believe how an F-16 could shoot its own wingman when the aircraft is equipped with one of the world's best IFF (identify friend or foe) system. The system shoots an electronic beam at the target and identifies the return beam as that of a friend or a foe. Further, when the missile locks onto the target the firing pilot switches on an air intercept interrogation system which further confirms the identity of the victim. It seems that in this case this was either not done or the system malfunctioned.
The Pentagon finds it painful to accept either. At Congressional hearings on the AWACS question last month, Pentagon experts called Pakistani pilots "some of the best in the world, next only to the Israelis", and find it even harder to accept failure of such crucial components of the F-16 system.
The Pentagon thus is more inclined to buy the Pakistani version of the incident. That the leader of the PAF fired his AIM-9L missile at the fleeing MiGs but in the heat of the battle his wingman, who too happened to be chasing the MiGs, came in the way. Since the F-16 has a much more powerful engine than any of the MiGs, the heat-seeking AIM-9L lost track and went straight for the F-16's exhaust. This version, however, knocks the bottom out of the earlier claim of the Pakistani lobby that the only reason the MiGs succeeded against them was the lack of an AWACS system on the Pakistani side of the Hindukush.
But the incident, viewed with several others in the recent past, delivers another nasty knock to the myth of the in vincibility of the F-16. The PAF has by now lost three of its 40 precious F-16s. One hit a pig that strayed onto the Sargodha runway and then a two-seat trainer crashed on take-off. The Dutch Air Force recently grounded its 200-odd F-16-A after defects were discovered. The Pakistanis obviously need in a hurry the 10 F-16s that they have sought in their arms aid package being currently debated.
But the biggest blow to the F-16 myth came when a Federal district jury in Tampa, Florida, recently awarded $3.1 million in damages to the widow of a United States Air Force (USAF) pilot, Captain Ted Harduvel who died in an F-16 crash in South Korea. The USAF and General Dynamics, the manufacturers of the aircraft, had blamed the crash on "errors by an over medicated pilot". But the widow, Janet, sued General Dynamics, charging that the aircraft was badly designed and wired. In a judgement that shocked the entire F-16 lobby, the court ruled that the wiring in the all-electronic aircraft was so shoddy it led to short-circuits that numbed the jet. "We came, we saw, we kicked ***. This clears my husband's name," said an excited Janet.
Understandably the accidents and misdirected missiles 'have led to consternation in the Pentagon and have raised fresh questions about the hype that is often built around western military equipment. Closer home, it provides comfort, and food for thought to the Indian Air Force strategists who have been studying the developments closely. The lessons are not to panic every time a MiG-23 crashes, and not to go into panic manoeuvres over any new piece of American equipment that the western media touts as the world's best and which the Pakistanis happen to acquire.
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...pabilities-after-paf-mishap-799104-1987-07-31
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Why are you digging old ghosts? PAF have a come a long way after this incident...................
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Correction please........... "Some of the best in the world, next only to the IsraHELL'is"
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We have proven in the past our pilots are better than the Israelis.
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