Pakistan against any attempt to topple Bashar al-Assad (unexpected but right stand !

[xyxmt]

So Pakistan will support Assad genocide of syrian people along with iran and russia

but as expected from this govt

but previousley you were saying Sharifs are Saud family poodle, so it was unexpected from this govt.

 

[Mrc]

in the greater debate KSA and co have nothing to offer us anymore they sting us when we hug them and have to great expectation i would have liked to remain neutral but we are no super powers
if we have to i wouldnt mind supporting iran and even though not get us into russian camp would still be useful in regional gain as china starts to build its block

There is no greater debate....

A ruler that slaughtered thousands.... needs justice not support....

Separate right from wrong....

 

[Basel]

No we don't get benefits at the level that we should but we do get some benefits.. However alienation is poor foreign policy... Even if you don't like somebody you should make sure to keep cordial relations... Assad means nothing to us but it means the world to USA Europe and middle east GCC. So such a statement makes no sense. Its just another snub that has no pros. The Yemen war snub had pros that were important to be looked at but this is useless. It just further showcases how childish Pakistan can be when it comes to foreign policy. Staying quite is more important in the Syria issue and only commenting on ISIS. The regime toppling and rebels are not our concern.

This statement is going to further piss off a few something we can't afford right now. Look at India. Their foreign policy is amazing. They are cozying with GCC while have amazing relations with Iran and are Russia's best friend while cozying with USA.

If Pakistan play its card well then many GCC countries will understand its position and will never distance from Pakistan, because its very beneficial for them to have Pakistan as their ally.

 

[Meengla]

SO u believe in the @sshead VS ISIS narrative of the western media? DO u people like u have the ability to think for yourselves to follow whatever fits your pre-conceived notions?

Actually, the 'western media' only very late and very reluctantly started this 'narrative' of Assad vs ISIS--it was always 'freedom loving Syrians'. Too bad, the power vacuum in the world is often filled by extremists like ISIS.

Anyway, I think Pakistan's stance has been consistent about regime changes and territorial integrity of not only Syria but also of Iraq, Libya etc. Even in a very moral case like Kosovo Pakistan was reluctant despite overwhelming public support for Kosovar Muslims.

But...it was probably better to have stayed quiet about the Syrian conflict.

PS. I need coffee!

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[Tameem]

Wait for it and see how Sartaj Aziz the clueless will pull a contradictory statement out of his behind
Pakistani foreign stance is so irrelevant that no Arab master bothers consulting this government

That is why i always oppose of taking any neutral positions in this war, Pakistan will fvckd up in perusing it.

Na Teen main Na Taira main......
Na Khuda hee mila
Na Visale Sanam
Na Idhar kay rahain gay
Na Udhar kay

All those who are believing in Neutrality should consult doctors immediately.
As a nation, We have to take stand in favor of one party, weather anyone like it or not so better choose natural alliance over cosmetic.

 

[TMA]

SO the so called islamic republic supports genocide of muslims in the hands of secular putin and rafidi iran and alawite pagans? Its a sad day for pakistani muslims whose political leaders failed them. Pak leaders proved themselves to be backstabbers. Hope KSA really take note of that & distance themselves from this backstabbing country. Also it would be hypocritical for PDFers to cry for kashmir muslims if they at the same time support alawite pagan assad.

Btw i am not stereotyping pakistani muslims here. As a muslims i understand very well that secular PAK state never represented the aspirations of its muslim populace.

You are correct Pakistan is not Islamic. However neither is KSA which is the biggest back stabber to the Ummah. Not Pakistan.

Its expected & understandable that PAK muslims don't support such statements.

Even if your foreign office don't retract it , it won't come as a surprise to me. PAK state never represented it muslim populace and were always ruled by intellectually colonized thugs. Also the influence of a certain sect in PAK seem to be having disastrous effect on PAK state.And correct me if i am wrong but to me its seem like the media in PAK just like in most other muslim countries is also under liberal secular control and does not represent the values & ethos of PAK muslims. Express tribune, dawn etc are eg. of how the intellectually colonized liberals control PAK media narrative.

And no offence brother , but most muslims in the subcontinent are ignorant of their religion. They have a black & white one track mind. They think since iranians & @sshead masqueraded as anti-israeli they must be good and consider chinese & russian to be good anti-imperialist against the evil US. The decades of US imperialism has aided in fostering this one flawed & absurd notion.

"Rum" resides in the Russian Federation. Muslims will make an alliance with them. Right now Russia is doing good in the ME by throwing a spanner into the evil plans of the Judeo-Christian Modern West.

 

[In arduis fidelis]

So its abt national interest? A vague term coined by secular europen west that can justify any immoral and indefensible atrocity and crime? If its abt national interest why call your country islamic and masquerade as an islamic country even though PAK is a pathetic secular state ruled by intellectually colonized liberals? Bcs of your masquerading people blame islam for all the ills of your secular country filled with pagan cultural baggage.

Btw can u define national interest? Nations r not politically homogenous and sections of a nation's populace don't have a uniform notion of "national interest". WHen u say national interest its national interest of a certain political section or a group not of the nation.

I am just wondering why a national of country where Islamists are killed like rabid dogs spewing hatred against a country where unfortunately government can't breath without the support from some islamic party about being Secular and anti Islamic

 

[Zibago]

Now i support joining Saudi coalition

 

[B+ Dracula]

SO the so called islamic republic supports genocide of muslims in the hands of secular putin and rafidi iran and alawite pagans? Its a sad day for pakistani muslims whose political leaders failed them. Pak leaders proved themselves to be backstabbers. Hope KSA really take note of that & distance themselves from this backstabbing country. Also it would be hypocritical for PDFers to cry for kashmir muslims if they at the same time support alawite pagan assad.

Btw i am not stereotyping pakistani muslims here. As a muslims i understand very well that secular PAK state never represented the aspirations of its muslim populace.

Have a Cup of Tea.....
.
Please calm down, Internationl Politics is clearly heading towards a realm of next world war and trend of forming an Alliances have increased ...this time we are not joking to the world.. oh we love you all type of shit..
BLOCKS you support (China+Russia) demands clear indication of your Loyalty, whether you support us or not???
hanging around with Sheikhs all the time for some personel gains and Satisfying their false Ego to burn Middle East down...wont lead us anywhere...Fire in middle east are knocking at our Doors....Someone has to take courage to ask them..enough is enough
please STOP yourself here.
Saudia : Stop fueling fire in ME & same goes with Iran
USA: Stop engulfing ME countries one by one
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And you said....Alawite Pagans / Secular Pakistanis / Rafizi Iranis bla bla bla......type of mentality wont work here in International Politics ... PEACE

 

[spinghar]

amazing, pakistan foreign office have surprised their own country man, changing it's strategic position overnight.
don't forget pakistani masses are sympathetic to sunni saudi, supporting assad the gross murderer will have serious repercussion at home. you do understand the madrassah guys bit very well.

 

[Luffy 500]

You are correct Pakistan is not Islamic. However neither is KSA which is the biggest back stabber to the Ummah. Not Pakistan.


"Rum" resides in the Russian Federation. Muslims will make an alliance with them. Right now Russia is doing good in the ME by throwing a spanner into the evil plans of the Judeo-Christian Modern West.

KSA is not the topic of the thread. Its abt right & wrong , truth & falsehood. KSA officially so far backs the aspirations of syrian muslims who r fighting against a genocidal maniac. Thus KSA is right here and PAK is in the wrong.

Its secular pak that back stabbed KSA & other allies and more important sided with evil.

KSA laws are more in line with Islam than PAK. KSA still boast the most prestigious centers of islamic higher education eg. Islamic university of medina.

As for your eschatological analysis , brother do u understand the simple fact that not all muslims believe whatever certain sufi sheik says on youtube. Muslims should judge things based on quran and sunnah and take actions accordingly not based on what certain sufis on youtube say.

Russia slaughtering muslims is good according to u? U r justifying such viscous russian atrocity just to suit your eschatological beliefs? This shows something is seriously wrong with your views.

West is NOT judeo-christian but secular and liberal.

I am just wondering why a national of country where Islamists are killed like rabid dogs spewing hatred against a country where unfortunately government can't breath without the support from some islamic party about being Secular and anti Islamic

My country does not represent me and my moral judgement is not based on whatever my pathetic gov does. Isn't that a no brainer or is your nationalistic colonized mind incapable of comprehending such a simple fact?

 

[TMA]

KSA is not the topic of the thread. Its abt right & wrong , truth & falsehood. KSA officially so far backs the aspirations of syrian muslims who r fighting against a genocidal maniac. Thus KSA is right here and PAK is in the wrong.

Its secular pak that back stabbed KSA & other allies and more important sided with evil.

KSA laws are more in line with Islam than PAK. KSA still boast the most prestigious centers of islamic higher education eg. Islamic university of medina.

As for your eschatological analysis , brother do u understand the simple fact that not all muslims believe whatever certain sufi sheik says on youtube. Muslims should judge things based on quran and sunnah and take actions accordingly not based on what certain sufis on youtube say.

West is NOT judeo-christian but secular and liberal.



My country does not represent me and my moral judgement is not based on whatever my pathetic gov does. Isn't that a no brainer or is your nationalistic colonized mind incapable of comprehending such a simple fact?

Islamic eschatology is based upon Quran and Sunnah.
Many Syrian Muslims would disagree with you. Many are happy with Assad. (I'm no supporter of Asad personally).
KSA boasts some of the most prestigious Islamic learning centres however very little reaches the government it seems. Betraying the Ummah during the fall of the Caliphate and acting as client state for the West and spreading fitnah in other Muslim nations.

From which part of the world did secularism emerge? If you studied eschatology you would realize that it is the Judeo-Christian world!

 

[Xzok0]

There is no greater debate....

A ruler that slaughtered thousands.... needs justice not support....

Separate right from wrong....

look if u have to choose between killer u should atleast make profitable decisions remaining neutral we ll be left with bitter friends and considered weak by enemies lets put our interests first get rid of wahabis and their ideology make new friends and strengthen our future relations
i support our stance

KSA is not the topic of the thread. Its abt right & wrong , truth & falsehood. KSA officially so far backs the aspirations of syrian muslims who r fighting against a genocidal maniac. Thus KSA is right here and PAK is in the wrong.

Its secular pak that back stabbed KSA & other allies and more important sided with evil.

KSA laws are more in line with Islam than PAK. KSA still boast the most prestigious centers of islamic higher education eg. Islamic university of medina.

As for your eschatological analysis , brother do u understand the simple fact that not all muslims believe whatever certain sufi sheik says on youtube. Muslims should judge things based on quran and sunnah and take actions accordingly not based on what certain sufis on youtube say.

Russia slaughtering muslims is good according to u? U r justifying such viscous russian atrocity just to suit your eschatological beliefs? This shows something is seriously wrong with your views.

West is NOT judeo-christian but secular and liberal.



My country does not represent me and my moral judgement is not based on whatever my pathetic gov does. Isn't that a no brainer or is your nationalistic colonized mind incapable of comprehending such a simple fact?

yes and we should support talibs fighting Afghan government baloch separtists and our very own dhaka jamatis fighting hassina

 

[Rahil khan]

So its abt national interest? A vague term coined by secular europen west that can justify any immoral and indefensible atrocity and crime? If its abt national interest why call your country islamic and masquerade as an islamic country even though PAK is a pathetic secular state ruled by intellectually colonized liberals? Bcs of your masquerading people blame islam for all the ills of your secular country filled with pagan cultural baggage.

Btw can u define national interest? Nations r not politically homogenous and sections of a nation's populace don't have a uniform notion of "national interest". WHen u say national interest its national interest of a certain political section or a group not of the nation.

Exactly...nations are never politically homogeneous...that's where Democratic set ups are preferred in the civilized world... set ups which mostly act upon the true wishes of the people after creating broad consensus. Such horrible days could have avoided in the Middle East if there regimes had allowed strengthening their political institutions rather than simply focusing on just to remain in power.
But than again...do you really think Iraq has really been rescued from the autocratic regime of Saddam Hussain ? Is Iraq a safe heaven after the Allies found all the most deadliest WMD's ??? Do you really think Libya has become the safe heaven for peace, harmony and progress after the sudden removal of Qaddafi's regime after 4 decades ? These guys were allowed to rule their countries for 3 plus decades, and their sudden removal from the scene, without any developed political institutions has brought such a catastrophe which is beyond any level of morality, ethics. Millions are displaced waiting to die without having any single clue or the reason of all this happening...This thread is not about Pakistan...this thread is about Pakistan's policy towards the Middle Eastern crises...and Pakistan and Pakistanis are totally against any forced removal of leadership of any country including Syria because it will simply add fuel to fire....US Defense Industrial complex may find this situation more and more profitable...but toppling governments in this manner will drag this world to some major crises in future...!!! That's all i can say...So please come outa your Pakistani phobia for minute please..

 

[gutto786]

So Pakistan will support Assad genocide of syrian people along with iran and russia

but as expected from this govt

So what should Pakistan do in your opinion? Support US genocide (starting from vietnam to Iraq to afghanistan and whole middle east, south asia (under proxy cover)