Pakistan against any attempt to topple Bashar al-Assad (unexpected but right stand !

[Mrc]

& if we compare most of the prapogated fake stories on BBC , CNN , FOX they claimed saadam was butcher , qadafi was a killer but what about those , who attacked Muslim states with , fake reasons like WMD s ?
Allies has killed more civilians if we compare both Saddam & Qaddafi ?
Bush & tony the liar are more criminals then even Hitler ?
The destruction which we are witnessing now in IRAQ & LIBYA & sirya is the allied mess , which can't be accepted any more ?


Friend half Aleppo is back siryan army , which is well supported by Russian air force ?
& a lot of land has been taken back , since Russian intervention in sirya ?
Even many NATO countries are fed up , with UK & USA + turkey + KSA sponsored , terrorism in sirya , WHICH IS CYRTAL CLEAR FACT ?

They have taken only some villages....
So has daesh since russian bombardment....

Its not the end of war only the begining.... americans are not going let russia win that easily...

But i personally am not a supporter of daesh or iran or saudia....

I will settle for an iranian dominated government which hangs al asad ...

I cannot support a tyrant

 

[batmannow]

Wait for it and see how Sartaj Aziz the clueless will pull a contradictory statement out of his behind
Pakistani foreign stance is so irrelevant that no Arab master bothers consulting this government

But his statment means nothing , like his boss ?
World knows who to deal with in Pakistan , don't they ?
China has much bigger say , to pak army then ksa , USA , turkey or anyone else ?
& this the start , of new super Asia zone , which world needed long time before ?

 

[Hellfire]

Boss syrian army controls 20 % of terroritory and has lost 2nd largest city aleppo 4 years ago....

Their military op was not against daesh but against own civilians....daesh cane few years later...

They have lost thousands if tanks (videos available) ...pak army lost confirmed 2...

The point I have rebutted you on, is specific to your post #77. Every counter-insurgency war is a war you end up fighting in your own population. There is just no other way.

Analogy of your own operations I have given is due to this being a fact and not one of 'disproportionate' or indiscriminate firepower.

As for the military op, it was post police clampdown that there was a sudden influx of men, material and money which led to fighting ... be it in garb of FSA, moderates, AQ, ISIS. Any legitimate government (and here legitimacy is with the backing by percentage of population and not by 100%) if faced with an armed group challenging its authority, has the right to resort to arms. You have done it, we have done it, everyone has been doing it.

Now coming specifically to Syrian Government, who has declared it illegitimate? Is Syria banned from UN or have all the countries in this world barred contact with Syria? Or is it boycotted? So... only when US and Saudi Arabia along with Turkey decided it was illegitimate did it become? Where is the mass lack of support for the person? If there is no support, why is there still a Syrian Army? Why have US et al invaded it? Because my friend, there is no legitimacy to their attacks.

No life of citizen is greater than the State's. It is a practice in US, Saudi and every other country.

Swat is open for tourists...foreign ones...

IDP ' s were part of evacuation strategy not due to indiscriminate bombardment...

IDP's from swat malakand upper dir lower dir bajaur north waziristan dara adam khel orakzai are already back in their homes ..most of from khayber and south waziristan (50%) have returned...
Pak never lost an army post manned by 10 soldiers vs most of cities and half of damascuss....

What are u comparing...
Truely blinding

Was your army facing tandem warhead ATGMs? Was your airforce being shot at by MANPADs? Were there tanks being fielded against you? Was your establishment and ammunition dump being bomber by a foreign power? Was your country put on sanctions list? The analogy to Pak Ops is to highlight only that it is a part of process. The odds against Syria were thousands of times greater than you.

Please read surveys even of NATO where it is conceded that Syrians support Assad still. Its like WMDs found in Iraq. If there is no smoke, put things to fire .... the problems have been created only after Tunisisa, Libya and Egypt went down Who gains I wonder?

 

[batmannow]

They have taken only some villages....
So has daesh since russian bombardment....

Its not the end of war only the begining.... americans are not going let russia win that easily...

But i personally am not a supporter of daesh or iran or saudia....

I will settle for an iranian dominated government which hangs al asad ...

I cannot support a tyrant

Sure , you can support who ever you want , specailly liars & invaders like USA & UK ?
The WMD s which they can't find in Iraq ?
But for Pakistani , state we don't ,support any aggression against any Muslim state in this world ?
What then , if America wants to bring democracy in KSA another of so called artificial democracies ?
Sure you will support , the aggressors who have killed more civillians then any of the so called tyrants of the world ?

 

[Hellfire]

It's always hilarious seeing an out-of-touch Indian take a stance on something he knows nothing about.
You cannot compare Pakistani collateral damage to Assad's Nazi-inspired concentration camps or barrel bombings on civilian areas which have led to the death of almost 100,000 innocent civilians.

Newbie, out of touch? Who the hell is comparing the two campaigns? Your grasp of language is limited by your ability to even think beyond trolling. It is my job to know this .... I do this for the effing living. Trying to politely explain my posts, but seems your delinquency is way beyond for you to be able to fathom what is being said ... do you even have any effing experience of combat? Of counter insurgency ops? If don't then shut the hell up.

 

[Mrc]

The point I have rebutted you on, is specific to your post #77. Every counter-insurgency war is a war you end up fighting in your own population. There is just no other way.

Analogy of your own operations I have given is due to this being a fact and not one of 'disproportionate' or indiscriminate firepower.

As for the military op, it was post police clampdown that there was a sudden influx of men, material and money which led to fighting ... be it in garb of FSA, moderates, AQ, ISIS. Any legitimate government (and here legitimacy is with the backing by percentage of population and not by 100%) if faced with an armed group challenging its authority, has the right to resort to arms. You have done it, we have done it, everyone has been doing it.

Now coming specifically to Syrian Government, who has declared it illegitimate? Is Syria banned from UN or have all the countries in this world barred contact with Syria? Or is it boycotted? So... only when US and Saudi Arabia along with Turkey decided it was illegitimate did it become? Where is the mass lack of support for the person? If there is no support, why is there still a Syrian Army? Why have US et al invaded it? Because my friend, there is no legitimacy to their attacks.

No life of citizen is greater than the State's. It is a practice in US, Saudi and every other country.



Was your army facing tandem warhead ATGMs? Was your airforce being shot at by MANPADs? Were there tanks being fielded against you? Was your establishment and ammunition dump being bomber by a foreign power? Was your country put on sanctions list? The analogy to Pak Ops is to highlight only that it is a part of process. The odds against Syria were thousands of times greater than you.

Please read surveys even of NATO where it is conceded that Syrians support Assad still. Its like WMDs found in Iraq. If there is no smoke, put things to fire .... the problems have been created only after Tunisisa, Libya and Egypt went down Who gains I wonder?

They can fire manpads at our airforce or atgms at our military....they wont effect us much since our air force flies bit too high...and our soldiers are not hired mercenaries hiding behind tanks....
And that active protection system on t 90 that alasad supporters are that excited about is freely available on our tanks...any how

By the way Afghans were using stingers before rest of the world knew it existed...

 

[Hiptullha]

Who the hell is comparing the two campaigns?

The entire post going on about the Pakistani COIN campaign in the Northern Areas?

I do this for the effing living.

And?

do you even have any effing experience of combat? Of counter insurgency ops? If don't then shut the hell up.

Yep, throw logic out of the window. You can only talk about Syria if you've been in COIN ops in a country a few thousand miles away from Syria.

 

[Hellfire]

They can fire manpads at our airforce or atgms at our military....they wont effect us much since our air force flies bit too high...

This statement of yours gives me a clear indication of you not having a defence background since you are talking of offensive air ops in high altitude mountainous terrain. So I will now disengage in trying to reason out and maybe you can ask one of the ex-air force members of PDF who will explain the nuances of the same. Thanks

 

[Hellfire]

The entire post going on about the Pakistani COIN campaign in the Northern Areas?

Read earlier posts, join in conjunction with #72 and #77 of this thread. Use your grey matter and understand what is being said ... look up the word analogy ...... go back to counter insurgency basics of how the insurgent evades and the ramifications of ops in the area ... use your grey matter again .. and then realise that I was supporting forcetrip the PDF Think Analyst's statement .. and then use your grey matter again .... and troll again ...

 

[jaydee]

well if its true then Pakistan has offcially ditched middles east and USA and joined Russia/china club

Ditched is not an appropriate word,rather i would say readjusted its alliances.

 

[Mrc]

This statement of yours gives me a clear indication of you not having a defence background since you are talking of offensive air ops in high altitude mountainous terrain. So I will now disengage in trying to reason out and maybe you can ask one of the ex-air force members of PDF who will explain the nuances of the same. Thanks

Well first line of defence is any one supplying those weapons to our insurgents will see them also in hands of their own insurgents very very quickly (our good talibans)..

I dont have no military back ground...true...

But i have enough common sense than to support mass rapist and child killer like al asad....or too feel proud of accomplishments of syrian army....

By the way if russians had not intervened , jaish al fatah would have taken latakia by now..... that too without military back ground..

 

[paritosh]

It makes sense. Pakistan IMO has finally started making a lot of good foreign policy decisions.
Not getting involved in Yemen was balsy and prudent...and so is this.
The whole Shia-Sunni angle aside, understanding that the people of the country have the sole responsibility of chosing whether they want a tyrant or not is the only intelligent thought process.
Its a foreign policy that is maturing with time now, good signs.

 

[airmarshal]

I m relieved and I m happy. Pakistan should not become a part of any illegitimate war. Saudis and Iranis are indulging in sectarian warfare. Pakistan should NEVER become part of alliance this or that side.

 

[Super Falcon]

We need to support asad regime which enemies of islam USA and israel Want asad out so their way get clear

 

[batmannow]

CROSS TALK SIRIYA ,RT (elephant in the room ?)
Mascow ++USA crospondents in arguments ?
Must watch !

This statement of yours gives me a clear indication of you not having a defence background since you are talking of offensive air ops in high altitude mountainous terrain. So I will now disengage in trying to reason out and maybe you can ask one of the ex-air force members of PDF who will explain the nuances of the same. Thanks

Keep yourself connected with the issue in hand , don't get dragged out some where else ?

We need to support asad regime which enemies of islam USA and israel Want asad out so their way get clear

Its basicly , the last hard rock in front of greater Israel ?

Supporting , KSA +USA +UK+ FRANCE + TURKEY + UAE= ISIS against ASAAD govt is the support to ISIS ?
Anyway Pakistan isn't ready to support ISIS & that's the bottom line is ?