Pakistan, Afghanistan deploy tanks as fencing dispute escalates

[Pandora]

Source of your story?

There is no source he pulled that one out of arse.

 

[Zibago]

You questioned my post and then ANSWERED it yourself!!! . You are right, its an issue with perception. Bad perception exists. So what changes it? Economic growth. Slowly slowly, a modern Pakistan is seen when it grows economically and does business with the world. The typical perception goes away and things ease up. When you form strategic bonds with nations (like let's say, you somehow become France's second largest or the largest trading partner in multiple directions), things would ease up. Like how India and US are. Or even the US and UAE are.

So a strong economy is the ONLY tool the world knows you by. If every day, let's say in all news, there are news about Pakistan's economy or market being the top 10 performers......as a listener, what do you think about Pakistan? A top country right? So when you meet people from there, your brain has ALREADY registered what you saw on media (a top performing economy or market) so you're behavior will change. Like Indians, I've met some very sharp and some not so sharp. But a typical American dude finds out that a person is from India, and he immediately puts him or her into a "highly educated and smart" category. Same goes for the passport powered by the economy that runs in the background in people's minds.

Which is why I keep saying, end this old school politics of sit-ins, violence, and all. That's what the media shows about Pakistan. Let's grow the economy and let the media tell everyone that investing in Pakistan means a lot of return due to their growth economy (a tolerant modern country, similar to the image Turkey has).

So trade and economy are the ONLY two most successful tools to turn nation's outlook and image in front of other countries. Remember, India was in Russian camp, a little over 2 decades ago. Today, the US is passing a law that says India and Indians will be given equal status to that of Americans. That's a HUGE step in two decades of good partnership.

Pakistan can achieve a better perception if the nation works hard enough, keep peace, stability and economic growth as the highest priority and these third class politics and violent / intolerance are removed from the society!

Nope not in favour of controlled medoa or zero opposition

 

[Samandri]

yes khoray. i sure know that. But does it really matter's where the money is going ? No.

I mean' our daugters are our responsibility . Why would we need to take money for the arrangements of there weddings ?
And sure i live 7 km's away from the famous Mahajar camp "jalozi camp".. so i know them from more depth.

Here is where the money goes.

For a normal girl "wedding *i would say* " his family take 5-6 lakh i.e; 500-600 thousand PKR. from which normally 100 thousand goes for the Dowry. they don't make any jewelry any well-categorized furnitures . and normally 50-60 thousand goes to the guests entertaining's. As there wedings are simple so they don't call 100's of peoples.

So normally the total cost sum up say in 200 thousands. so where the other money goes ? My neighbor built an extra room in there home from "that type of" money. here in my town they used to say "falaan banday kay ghar me 4 truck kary hay" .. tab mujhy samj nahe aati the. ab pata chala kay wo unki 4 betya hoti the. qunky mere town kay aksar muhajir apni betyo ko bech kay truck le chukay hay or goods companies chalaty hay and this trend is still going on.

And 2nd, if this money is for arrangements and not any "selling money" ,then why they permanently cutoff there daughters from them self's ?

@Samandri . yes sir. i do know. but i hope my this post will help me in conveying what i have seen throughout these previous 24 years in my life.



mera irada be kuch aesa he tha..

If you do know about custom of Walwar among Pashtuns then why only maligning Afghan-Pashtuns and misleading other Pakistanis about it?.............a while ago i wrote an informative article about Walwar, give it a read Walwar

NO. She claimed that on basis of people who visit AKhund Darweza's mazar in Peshawar anyway I just wanted to clear and have your opinion too on this because we all know Akhundz are not syed.



Honestly this dowry plagued is mostly related to Punjab having roots in Indian culture where as in KpK/FATA it is groom's side who has to spend many-fold .

Few days ago , i said to you that Pakistanis are influencing each other's customs. Same is true about 'Jahaiz'. Many Pashtuns, particularly those of urban centers, have very recently started demanding Jahaiz from Girl's family.

 

[Zibago]

I've heard this before from some Pakistani doctor friends who hated traveling on their Pakistani passport due to obvious reasons back around 2002 and onward.

But looking at the future right now, I can pretty much guarantee you, in the next 5 years, there will be a transformation on how Pakistani passport will be looked at. 10 years from now, they'll get similar treatment like the Indians get today.

Today, around the Eastern seaboard of the US (like Florida, Georgia, etc), the Brazilians are considered "rich people" who come to the US and buy homes here for investment on Cash. Specially Florida's economy, which runs a LOT on money from Brazil, and some other South American countries doing real estate investments into the US. Just like the Brazilians are considered "Rich", the Indians and Chinese are considered "Smart" in terms of their education, high tech labor and all. So ten years from now, the Pakistanis will be in some category.

The Pakistani nation just has to let go of their political differences, form a nation and grow economically and work hard. The pay off isn't too far!!

For you letting go of political difference means remaining silent on corruption of Nawaz no thankyou

Bad image is not a problem showing us in bad light sells in west we shouldnot worry about it but we should fix our errors brushing them under carpet is not solving them

Hear that he is signed for leading role with "meera g" in a movie. don't know if it's just a rumor or something serious.....

Not sure if its Meera but he is a hero for a Syed Noor movie

 

[Viper0011.]

i feel sorry for you, may god forgive your dad and hus sister

I feel sorry for your sisters for what happens in India to women.....I hope they start to treat women right. Even the US lawmakers have advised them to control the internals of India and better protect women and minorities. I hope the Indian government takes some action on these human rights violations and brutal violence that's been going on against minorities and women in India!!

 

[Cool_Soldier]

According to media reports, Afghanistan Ambassador met with COAS and both agreed to reopen border after discussion.
So matter is resolved to some extent as yesterday I mentioned it will be soon resolved.
Kindly do not just get heat up and start acting and reacting as your enemy is wishing for.

I hope you will get my point.

Many Thanks

 

[MadDog]

I am not sure but I would assume the US has given them some Abrams tanks. However, the number is likely minuscule and they probably can't even use them right.

I would disagree with that, since US did not deploy Abrams or any kind of Main Battle Tanks for that matter in Afghanistan. They did in Iraq but not Afghanistan, that is forsure.

 

[LeGenD]

I would disagree with that, since US did not deploy Abrams or any kind of Main Battle Tanks for that matter in Afghanistan. They did in Iraq but not Afghanistan, that is forsure.

US deployed and used M1A1 Abrams MBT in Afghanistan. Some footage:

However, not sure if those MBT are still there. US might have pulled them out of Afghanistan during the draw-down phase since 2014.

 

[MadDog]

US have deployed and used M1A1 Abrams MBT in Afghanistan. There is even a video of it.

The US Army didn't, but the US Marine Corps did decide to deploy a few, only 14 Abrams were deployed in 2011, but in 2013, they were withdrawn from Afghanistan. So as of now, Americans rely on MRAPS not MBT's in Afghanistan as they don't suit the terrain.
Source: "M1 Abrams Tank" by Michael Green
https://books.google.ca/books?id=z6-gCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT164&lpg=PT164&dq=US+deployed+M1A1+abrams+in+Afghanistan&source=bl&ots=ghuI6JcF0A&sig=3hY5GcmaylzOO_t0ZCUK3BiGc94&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT2LC6gtnMAhVh54MKHf4fAgkQ6AEIVzAM#v=onepage&q=US deployed M1A1 abrams in Afghanistan&f=false

 

[LeGenD]

The US Army didn't, but the US Marine Corps did decide to deploy a few, only 14 Abrams were deployed in 2011, but in 2013, they were withdrawn from Afghanistan. So as of now, Americans rely on MRAPS not MBT's in Afghanistan as they don't suit the terrain.
Source: "M1 Abrams Tank" by Michael Green
https://books.google.ca/books?id=z6-gCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT164&lpg=PT164&dq=US+deployed+M1A1+abrams+in+Afghanistan&source=bl&ots=ghuI6JcF0A&sig=3hY5GcmaylzOO_t0ZCUK3BiGc94&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT2LC6gtnMAhVh54MKHf4fAgkQ6AEIVzAM#v=onepage&q=US deployed M1A1 abrams in Afghanistan&f=false

Yes, I am aware of that.

Your point was that US never deployed MBTs in Afghanistan and I provided evidence of it. However, you confirmed that US have pulled them out of Afghanistan in 2013. This is not surprising since US never felt much need of using heavy armor in Afghanistan because it is largely an ideological conflict where heavy armor is much less relevant.

I don't think terrain was an issue.

 

[IceCold]

Things are going to simmer down soon, don't get your panties wet.

Gen Shareef is supposedly personally getting involved, and rumor has it that the Afghan envoy has begun talks with him to reduce tensions.

[Edit]: There's another rumor flying around that NS is upset at this situation, and may make a "strong statement" if the Afghan side doesn't back down.

Man why cant for we for once blow them to smithereens? They Afghans have forgot their place, i dont get it why do we need to act so passive all the time. Neither any from the government comes up and shuts them nor the military. If Gen Raheel is involved i just hope he gets the message across. Otherwise its just going to make us look like idiots.

 

[RealNapster]

If you do know about custom of Walwar among Pashtuns then why only maligning Afghan-Pashtuns and misleading other Pakistanis about it?.............a while ago i wrote an informative article about Walwar, give it a read Walwar

Walwar can be a tradition. but Afghani Now-a-days don't take it only to entertaining guests Praa.. They have been Miss-using this thing for many years now. i think you didn't read my previous post completely.

But still, if some % of people take it as a 'tradition only" .. so this type of traditions should be stop. This walwar is not a tradition but, it is just ruining our traditions.

 

[MadDog]

US deployed and used M1A1 Abrams MBT in Afghanistan. Some footage:

However, not sure if those MBT are still there. US might have pulled them out of Afghanistan during the draw-down phase since 2014.

Only 14 were deployed by US Marines in 2011 but in 2013 they were withdrawn.

 

[Hamza913]

I would disagree with that, since US did not deploy Abrams or any kind of Main Battle Tanks for that matter in Afghanistan. They did in Iraq but not Afghanistan, that is forsure.

Oh didn't know that. Always assumed they did.

 

[LeGenD]

Oh didn't know that. Always assumed they did.

Americans deployed 14 MBT in Afghanistan during 2011 and used them for operations against Taliban (most notably in Helmand province). However, Americans pulled them out of the country in 2013. Check the videos posted by me.

Here is another: