Pakistan: A slice of China in Islamabad

[Joe Shearer]

China doesn't have a claim on Gilgit, you Indian buffoon.

Read your history.

It has a solid claim, based on inheriting the claims of Kashgar.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Read your history.

It has a solid claim, based on inheriting the claims of Kashgar.

You idiot, if that was true we would have given Gilgit to China.

We gave China Shaksgam Valley because it historically belonged to the Qing dynasty, and the Qing dynasty never agreed to anything to the British did.

Gilgit is Pakistani territory and not Chinese territory.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You idiot, if that was true we would have given Gilgit to China.

We gave China Shaksgam Valley because it historically belonged to the Qing dynasty, and the Qing dynasty never agreed to anything to the British did.

Gilgit is Pakistani territory and not Chinese territory.

DO NOT USE PERSONAL INSULTS.

 

[MultaniGuy]

You idiot, if that was true we would have given Gilgit to China.

We gave China Shaksgam Valley because it historically belonged to the Qing dynasty, and the Qing dynasty never agreed to anything to the British did.

Gilgit is Pakistani territory and not Chinese territory.

LOL I wonder who give this Indian joker the priviledge to do a negative rating on a Pakistani!

LOL LOL.

This forum is too easy on Indians!

DO NOT USE PERSONAL INSULTS.

Then stop giving idiotic claims then which are irrelevant.

I wonder who made you Professional???

So you gave me a negative rating because I said "idiot"

Go get a life man!

 

[Joe Shearer]

You idiot, if that was true we would have given Gilgit to China.

We gave China Shaksgam Valley because it historically belonged to the Qing dynasty, and the Qing dynasty never agreed to anything to the British did.

Gilgit is Pakistani territory and not Chinese territory.

LOL I wonder who give this Indian joker the priviledge to do a negative rating on a Pakistani!

LOL LOL.

This forum is too easy on Indians!


Then stop giving idiotic claims then which are irrelevant.

I wonder who made you Professional???

You didn't. So shut up and do your reading. I say nothing that is not substantiable. And you are warned; every piece of abuse will attract retribution.

 

[Jackdaws]

Read your history.

It has a solid claim, based on inheriting the claims of Kashgar.

I shall be reading up on this.

I wish Pakistan well - especially its citizens. I have issues with their leadership but on a personal level have gotten along well with all the Pakistanis I have met in real life. They have been great hosts and good friends. So, I sincerely hope your country progresses economically but sheer Chinese history of duplicity and state-controlled media driven narratives there make me doubt Chinese intentions. If I am proven wrong, I'd be very happy.

 

[MultaniGuy]

You didn't. So shut up and do your reading. I say nothing that is not substantiable. And you are warned; every piece of abuse will attract retribution.

No, you shut up.

China HAS NOT CLAIM ON GIGIT-BALTISTAN.

THE PRC HAS NOT CLAIM ON THE REGION except on Aksai Chin.

Stop lying and show me proof.

Yes we gave China Shaksgam Valley

You can check the maps, but you are ignorant

This forum is way too easy on Indians.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hunza was an independent principality for centuries. It was ruled by the Mirs of Hunza, who took the title of Thum.

The Hunzas were tributaries and allies to China, acknowledging China as suzerain[2] since 1761.[3] When the Hunzas raided mountainous places of Karakorum and Kunlun mountains, including Xaidulla, where some groups of the nomadic Kirghiz were the main inhabitants, they sold some Kirghiz slaves to the Chinese.[4]

From 1847 the Mir of Hunza gave nominal allegiance to China. This resulted from assistance given by Mir Ghazanfur Khan to China in fighting against the Uyghur separatist Afaqi Khoja revolts in Yarkand, following which China granted Hunza a jagir (Land grant) in Yarkand and paid the Mir a subsidy.[5][6]

 

[MultaniGuy]

Hunza was an independent principality for centuries. It was ruled by the Mirs of Hunza, who took the title of Thum.

The Hunzas were tributaries and allies to China, acknowledging China as suzerain[2] since 1761.[3] When the Hunzas raided mountainous places of Karakorum and Kunlun mountains, including Xaidulla, where some groups of the nomadic Kirghiz were the main inhabitants, they sold some Kirghiz slaves to the Chinese.[4]

From 1847 the Mir of Hunza gave nominal allegiance to China. This resulted from assistance given by Mir Ghazanfur Khan to China in fighting against the Uyghur separatist Afaqi Khoja revolts in Yarkand, following which China granted Hunza a jagir (Land grant) in Yarkand and paid the Mir a subsidy.[5][6]

LOL going to wikipedia.

The Hunza were part of the Kashmir princely state.

The Hunzas acceded to Pakistan.

China has no claim on Gilgit-Baltistan.

Nice try though.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Yes we gave China Shaksgam Valley

You can check the maps, but you are ignorant

This forum is way too easy on Indians.

We didn't give away any land to China. Quite the contrary, while China gave away 750 sq. miles of its administered territory to Pakistan, we only waived a few "claims" that anyway were on paper/map only. Get your facts straight.

 

[Joe Shearer]

No, you shut up.

China HAS NOT CLAIM ON GIGIT-BALTISTAN.

THE PRC HAS NOT CLAIM ON THE REGION except on Aksai Chin.

Stop lying and show me proof.

Yes we gave China Shaksgam Valley

You can check the maps, but you are ignorant

This forum is way too easy on Indians.

On the contrary, on the evidence at hand, this forum is lenient as far as ill-read and rude oafs are concerned. Ill-read to the extent that even when they are pointed at the facts of a situation, they merely spout their confused anger.

 

[Offshore]

Im very critical of CPEC!

Chinese are even importing labourers from China... and now even Chinese owned stores..
What about locals? Only good for shyt jobs at such businesses?

The Gilgit Baltistanis are already dismayed... next is islambad, Balochistan (specifically gawadar) and other regions connecting CPEC.

you have reason to be worry.. Pakistan situation similiar to China situation when they start open up.
everyone worried with western economy coming to invade China.

try to watch jack ma interview.. i'm forget in which minute he talked about China open up to western and it's scare the hell out of them.

 

[bananarepublic]

Whether you believe it or not, my difficulties with CPEC are more to do with wishing Pakistan well than being envious and hoping that it will fail. Ever since it was created, Pakistan has held on to foreign apron-strings; whether in defence, with the Chinese currently replacing the Euro-American bloc, or in economics, with massive subvention from the oil-rich states whenever needed, or in the development of missile technology.

Once again, Pakistan has opted for the escalator instead of taking the stairs. I don't think it will work. All the monetisation of the work will flow back to China; key personnel will be Chinese; control will forever be in Chinese hands.

I am dreading another development.

If you leave aside Indian trolls and Pakistani super-patriots, and study the records and the history of the region, certain very uncomfortable facts will surface. Several of the Pamir Emirates were vassals of Kashgar; China already has a strong historical claim to the Gilgit region. Now, having invited them in, Pakistan will have to figure out how to get them out. All these articles about how strong the Chinese presence is getting in Pakistan as a whole, and all those unpublished, unprinted, untold stories about the Chinese presence in Gilgit really make my fresh creep. I am afraid that this will turn out to be another of those whirlwind courtships and romances that we have seen so often in Pakistani history, and that, as before, Pakistan will be left holding the baby.

Historically Gilgit.baltistan as a whole region did not have much relations with china only the princely states of hunza and nagar were in contacts with them and not on very good terms there used to be a lot of killing around the border areas for land grabbing and in fact Pakistan has more credible claims of land in xingyang then china in pakistan. Also there is not much of a Chinese footprint here in gilgit baltistsn heck even islamabad has more Chinese footprint that GB ..

There were times when some princly states such as hunza did give their oath of loyalty to chinese kingdoms there but they were mere ways to ensure their survival.

P.s i have seen many Indians talking about chinese having some kind of military encampment here in GB (which is utterly baseless and idiotic) ..and about Chinese taking over gb which will never happen in a million years.

 

[MultaniGuy]

We didn't give away any land to China. Quite the contrary, while China gave away 750 sq. miles of its administered territory to Pakistan, we only waived a few "claims" that anyway were on paper/map only. Get your facts straight.

My facts are straight.

We gave Shaksgam Valley to China.

Shaksgam Valley was part of the Kashmir Princely state.

 

[defence_analyst]

Whether you believe it or not, my difficulties with CPEC are more to do with wishing Pakistan well than being envious and hoping that it will fail. Ever since it was created, Pakistan has held on to foreign apron-strings; whether in defence, with the Chinese currently replacing the Euro-American bloc, or in economics, with massive subvention from the oil-rich states whenever needed, or in the development of missile technology.

Once again, Pakistan has opted for the escalator instead of taking the stairs. I don't think it will work. All the monetisation of the work will flow back to China; key personnel will be Chinese; control will forever be in Chinese hands.

I am dreading another development.

If you leave aside Indian trolls and Pakistani super-patriots, and study the records and the history of the region, certain very uncomfortable facts will surface. Several of the Pamir Emirates were vassals of Kashgar; China already has a strong historical claim to the Gilgit region. Now, having invited them in, Pakistan will have to figure out how to get them out. All these articles about how strong the Chinese presence is getting in Pakistan as a whole, and all those unpublished, unprinted, untold stories about the Chinese presence in Gilgit really make my fresh creep. I am afraid that this will turn out to be another of those whirlwind courtships and romances that we have seen so often in Pakistani history, and that, as before, Pakistan will be left holding the baby.

please point towards Chinese presence in GB. Indians don't have any idea about CPEC as they just tend to read biased articles and not actually follow projects. Only CPEC related thing they are going to build in GB is industrial zone in future like in rest of Pakistan in phase-2.

As far historical Chinese claim on GB, not worth responding. 75% of 30,000 work force involved in CPEC projects are locals. People in key positions will be Chinese because its them who are setting up billions of dollars of power plants, motorways etc. But they are not importing labour.