Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

it came up short in one engagement lasting minutes, but lost no major asset ie

it was not outgunned in war or a campaign.

in full on war Indian bigger numbers,more weapons better air,defense systems and radars,and strategic depth and difference in resources and economy will prevail..

one of engagement lasting minutes is indicator not the conclusion

I like what India is doing
s400 is more than useful it's the best in it's class
Rafale is a dream lynch pin fighter
I hear istar deal is happening
but the biggest news is Tejas and Astra bvrs and soon uttam.Aesa radars . The mix of Indian and top notch israeli French usa, technology looks very promising.

We all saw how impressively India prepared for a war with China. it's air power was on show for the world to see
c17
il76
chinooks
Apache,
su30 mki
mirage
jaguar
mig29

all. moved form base,all over the sub continent to north India.

the logistics real.time Intel poise and rapid redeployment was enough for plaaf to pack bags and go home

complaceny can be very dangerous

don't stop running on the tred mill.

because India will.keep.inducting more new systems home made and from abroad

at this moment in time pakistans answer to 15 billion dollar investments in s400 and Rafale has been 50 thunders.
that is it
talk of j10c is speculation
the,deals for Rafale and s400 were signed 4 years,ago and pakistan air Force have not done a thing to answer the new evolving threat

EXACTLY!.........Which is why india managed to kill 300 terrorists in Balakot and shot down an F-16...........

 

[Signalian]

So American took promise from Pakistan that the f16 and amraam won't be used on India

We talk about indian lobby and Indian influence on USA. Why didnt India stop the sale of 500 AMRAAMs when India knew that these will be used against IAF and not tunnel based terrorists ?

Also if USA is inclined towards India, then why can't Modi convince USA to take back AMRAAMs just like the 1980's Stinger fiasco.

 

[khanmubashir]

We talk about indian lobby and Indian influence on USA. Why didnt India stop the sale of 500 AMRAAMs when India knew that these will be used against IAF and not tunnel based terrorists ?

Also if USA is inclined towards India, then why can't Modi convince USA to take back AMRAAMs just like the 1980's Stinger fiasco.

Because USA still needs us doesn't wanna loose us completely to china just to please dumb sanghis hindutva fantasies

 

[Trango Towers]

What will they say about jf17 block three with bvr pl15. Will they ring China and complain.

 

[waz]

The IAF got decisively beaten even with their prized assets. Losing a battle so one sided is damming prediction on what would happen if the engagement became larger.
Their problems will only worsen with the addition of the PL-15 which will be used to engage their Rafales well within Indian skies.

The PLAF has also tested a 400km four years ago, and it will be in service soon, which Pakistan will also hopefully get hold of.

 

[khail007]

The article clearly reflects the dysfunction of IAF against PAF; now Indian only concentrating on their efforts to pressurise other countries to sell or even let Pakistani's look at latest technologies - the fear factor.
This could only be the wish of Indians ...!

 

[kursed]

The US is not as stupid, as Indians would have them behave. They too know that to deter an Indo-Pak nuclear exchange, Pakistan Air Force needs to be conventionally capable of keeping IAF at bay. And this capability will be sustained, by the Americans - as it ensures peace in this region.

Their aims for the region, are not entirely on page with the fascist regime in India, seeking complete regional hegemony.

 

[313ghazi]

The only regret i have about that day is that we didn't go full throttle. Should have destroyed the bases we targeted and shot down all the locked on aircraft.

Result would have been the same. India would have pissed itself.

 

[Daghalodi]

it came up short in one engagement lasting minutes, but lost no major asset ie

it was not outgunned in war or a campaign.

in full on war Indian bigger numbers,more weapons better air,defense systems and radars,and strategic depth and difference in resources and economy will prevail..

one of engagement lasting minutes is indicator not the conclusion

I like what India is doing
s400 is more than useful it's the best in it's class
Rafale is a dream lynch pin fighter
I hear istar deal is happening
but the biggest news is Tejas and Astra bvrs and soon uttam.Aesa radars . The mix of Indian and top notch israeli French usa, technology looks very promising.

We all saw how impressively India prepared for a war with China. it's air power was on show for the world to see
c17
il76
chinooks
Apache,
su30 mki
mirage
jaguar
mig29

all. moved form base,all over the sub continent to north India.

the logistics real.time Intel poise and rapid redeployment was enough for plaaf to pack bags and go home

complaceny can be very dangerous

don't stop running on the tred mill.

because India will.keep.inducting more new systems home made and from abroad

at this moment in time pakistans answer to 15 billion dollar investments in s400 and Rafale has been 50 thunders.
that is it
talk of j10c is speculation
the,deals for Rafale and s400 were signed 4 years,ago and pakistan air Force have not done a thing to answer the new evolving threat

Using your logic about more weapons and greater numbers, economy, resources, strategic depth.

China beats you in every corner. Even your s400 claims gets thrown in garbage because China Already has s400.

However later on your post you claim, Indians have outgunned China and won.

Your logic about greater numbers work against Pakistan but at the same time you claim your puny numbers of Airforce can outgun PLAAF.

Are you born stupid? Or have you done a course on stupidity?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters or Augusta 90 B submarines in Islamabad’s military inventory.

www.hindustantimes.com

You never heard of "all is fair in love and war". A country in war will use everything to defend itself. In 1962 massive US and western military aid was given to India caused by the Indo-Chinese conflict. When Pakistan raised this with's then CENTO allies and Washington that these arms would end up being used against Pakistan Washington informed Islamabad that "India had assured these would not be used against Pakistan".

Three years later all these were flung against Pakistan in the 1965 war.

 

[Jobless Jack]

No such promise exists. You don't sell AIM120s to fight terrorism; lest we forget, the taliban, AQ, IS don't have an air force to use the aim120s against. The Americans knew full well that the f16s would be used against India.

The fact that Biden is looking to sell more f-16s to Pakistan is evidence enough that this Indian claim of a so called promise is nonsense.

Its makes indians feel important. Which is important for their self esteem

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters or Augusta 90 B submarines in Islamabad’s military inventory.

www.hindustantimes.com

Bahi yeh naya aya he posting stuff to entertain us

India should have imposed sanctions on Obama and Bush US regime officials for supplying such advanced missiles to Pakistan like this AMSRAAM.

Yeah no sh*t sherlock

 

[The Maverick]

Using your logic about more weapons and greater numbers, economy, resources, strategic depth.

China beats you in every corner. Even your s400 claims gets thrown in garbage because China Already has s400.

However later on your post you claim, Indians have outgunned China and won.

Your logic about greater numbers work against Pakistan but at the same time you claim your puny numbers of Airforce can outgun PLAAF.

Are you born stupid? Or have you done a course on stupidity?

the indian airforce is not puney
2000 planes, over 50 bases,and airfields,air some very fine cutting edge weapons. backed,by a strong economy and military budget and excellent relations with usa and France and close to guaranteed assistance from Russia and Israel.

we scared the shit out of China who backed,down in ladakh. your chinease masters backed down like I predicted to foolsnitemare our very own PDF cheerleader for China.

finally military capability is based on constantly evolving and improving your capability. this is,where you pakistan will.never match the Indians,not ever..
the,resource difference,and now the fast evolving indengious,weapon s we are a
inducting will place us near the top of global military might guaranteed by 2030 .
The shear depth and range of new weapons being developed even has me surprised pleasantly.
the writing is,on the wall.

 

[peagle]

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters or Augusta 90 B submarines in Islamabad’s military inventory.

www.hindustantimes.com

What a bunch of bleeding crybabies,
Just pitiful.

 

[Rollno21]

Those all were available against Pakistan as well I think. Short or long, world saw what really happened as the Indian day started with falsified claim of 300 terrorists to crossing the line to not crossing the line but SOW, from no shoot down to Mig-21 & MI-17V5 and MKI and then after, no fly but only bingo call or Radar failures and finally threats of missile attack but that bluff was too called accordingly.

However, had to give it to Indian Media & Modi's gang that despite all the disappointing episode for two days the way world saw it, they are still making come backs and talking about it.

You guys still don't realize what happened that day ,you guys are looking at short term and not looking at overall picture.
There is a reason abinandhan was sent home the next day.i am surprised being a senior mod you too see things like patriot kids on the forum.
It dsnt matter how many got killed India dropping bombs or if a crow died,some thing change that day.