Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

[Path-Finder]

too much methane sniffing is killing brain cells in indians. what a load of dung.

 

[SecularNationalist]

So pajeets got few rafales from France and that too with restrictions of use. And they think now they can take on both China and pakistan because they have rafales
On the other find we are absolutely ready to show our middle finger to USA because our JF-17 thunder block 3 is even superior to F-16 in some aspects. And chinese technology these days is even surpassing China and Russia these days so we will always have an edge in getting latest tech from our iron brother.
Now tell me pajeet do you have an ally like China who is willing to give you a latest tech without any restrictions ?

 

[Path-Finder]

chinese technology these days is even surpassing China and Russia these days so we will always have an edge in getting latest tech from our iron brother.

 

[The Maverick]

So pajeets got few rafales from France and that too with restrictions of use. And they think now they can take on both China and pakistan because they have rafales
On the other find we are absolutely ready to show our middle finger to USA because our JF-17 thunder block 3 is even superior to F-16 in some aspects. And chinese technology these days is even surpassing China and Russia these days so we will always have an edge in getting latest tech from our iron brother.
Now tell me pajeet do you have an ally like China who is willing to give you a latest tech without any restrictions ?

when you get j10c or j11 or type 52 guided missle destroyers or t99 main tanks from China then we,talk

thunders,is not latest chinease tech and neither is the frigates,they sell you.

regarding f16 you would give your arms to get a few second f16 never mind block 70 they offered,to India. Alas usa is firmly in modi camp and offers you nothing yet is,selling India,whatever it wants.ironically it's India saying no we don't want hornets or f16 especially deeming them not necessary

jf1

 

[Raja Porus]

Actually we bought those expensive missiles to be used against Karachi police and Afghanistan

 

[pakpride00090]

The fact that Biden is looking to sell more f-16s to Pakistan is evidence enough that this Indian claim of a so called promise is nonsense.

Hello Brother ? Any source on it ?

 

[baqai]

What's wrong here? we kept the promise of using the AIM 120C5 only against terrorists, what's going on here folks?

 

[doorstar]

Hello Brother ? Any source on it ?

it is not a Biden thing it is a state policy since 2016.

US will no longer subsidize the sale of F-16 fighter jets (or anything else) to Pakistan, Pakistan will have to pay two-and-a-half times the original subsidized price if it wishes to buy the aircraft.

 

[That Guy]

Hello Brother ? Any source on it ?

There was a thread here on PDF a week or so ago, it also included a plan by Biden to maintain and upgrade a number of foreign allied nations F-16 software including PAF.

Biden was a major reason why Obama wanted to sell f-16s to Pakistan, it only failed due to the US Congress's anti-Pakistan and Pro-India stance. Biden's plan was to use the sales of military hardware to Pakistan to counter China's influence in the country. To a degree, he was and is correct in this assessment.

 

[IceCold]

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US
Yeah! and the Americans were damn proud of it...

 

[bahadur]

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters or Augusta 90 B submarines in Islamabad’s military inventory.

www.hindustantimes.com

very good
der ayad durust ayad .

 

[Signalian]

we kept the promise of using the AIM 120C5 only against terrorists

They were used against terrorists on 27th Feb 2019.

“We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us

Israelis or Indians, however Indians chose themselves as first kill.

 

[maverick1977]

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters or Augusta 90 B submarines in Islamabad’s military inventory.

www.hindustantimes.com

whiners, clowns

 

[Signalian]

it's air power was on show for the world to see
c17
il76
chinooks
Apache,
su30 mki
mirage
jaguar
mig29

Paper tiger. This same mentality of amassing equipment didn't add up in 2019.

 

[khanmubashir]

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.

Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters or Augusta 90 B submarines in Islamabad’s military inventory.

www.hindustantimes.com

So American took promise from Pakistan that the f16 and amraam won't be used on India

Was it pinky promise or or spit on palm handshake

Indians make up so much bs that they really start to believe in it

when you get j10c or j11 or type 52 guided missle destroyers or t99 main tanks from China then we,talk

thunders,is not latest chinease tech and neither is the frigates,they sell you.

regarding f16 you would give your arms to get a few second f16 never mind block 70 they offered,to India. Alas usa is firmly in modi camp and offers you nothing yet is,selling India,whatever it wants.ironically it's India saying no we don't want hornets or f16 especially deeming them not necessary

jf1

So now USA is in Modi camp
Sanghis and there over blown self importance