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Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

Mr maveric again back with your useless list and absoulte zero knowledge on militarty matter, people with even a little knowlegde would have not say things like "it came up short in one engagement lasting minutes, but lost no major asset.” There are million stories and planning behind sunch engagement.

I.know enough to realise 4 amraams fired at 2 mki by 8 f16 is poor show and very worrying that no kill.made.
those 500 amraams won't last a week in a,war . and I don't see usa rushing to resupply either
 
I.know enough to realise 4 amraams fired at 2 mki by 8 f16 is poor show and very worrying that no kill.made.
those 500 amraams won't last a week in a,war . and I don't see usa rushing to resupply either

MKI was shot down. we just dont have the wreckage to prove it. unlike the Bison.
 
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I.know enough to realise 4 amraams fired at 2 mki by 8 f16 is poor show and very worrying that no kill.made.
those 500 amraams won't last a week in a,war . and I don't see usa rushing to resupply either
jet shoot down with wreckage and pilot on display infront of the world, lost a heli due to friendly fire and you are still here bragging? Dude, have some shame at least.
 
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Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale


Pakistan Aeronautical Limited - Kamra Engineers are providing technology to French which is Biejing Foreign Policy !!!

Chinese Air Force - Squadrons patrolling Lutetia Air Space shortly after Indian Armed Forces - Balakot Air Strikes !!!


When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.


This Carrot & Stick Policy by the French was played in front of whom, Indian Armed Forces - Military Staff is aware !!!

Talk might be about Scalp Missiles !!! Pakistan Air Force getting upper hand !!!


India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.


Kingdom of Qatar is part of Arab Allied Military Coalition Defense Industries !!!

Allied Nations tried to keep Republic of France out from providing Agosta Submarine Technology to Pakistan Navy !!! Pakistan Naval Engineers are working with Chinese Engineers and Chinese Engineers have become Technology Supplies even to Country like Kingdom of Sweden !!!


Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters.


Pakistan Air Force might have already received Rafale Squadrons - Armaments , Which was before Indian Armed Forces - Balakot Military Strikes !!!


India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.


Where were French Rafales during Indian Armed Forces - Balakot Military Strikes !!!


On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


Indian Air Force - Marut 21 was out of Ammunition while Returning back to the Operational Base !!! Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman Let the Air Formation - Aircrafts to return back Safely !!!

AIM-120 cant be 75 Kms !!! Does Aircraft Bullets travel faster than Air to Air Missile !!!


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day.


Beyond Visual Range Infrared Rays are being used now a Days !!! Enemy Aircraft Squadrons Processors, Indian Armed Forces can knock down !!!

Beyond Visual Range Missile are target tracking Missiles with larger fuel payload but how much Barood Payload is needed to knock down a High Altitude Flying Aircraft ??? Just 16 Kms !!!

“We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.


Where Pakistan Air Force - Fanthom Series - Prototype 16 - Block 60 - Aircrafts were Upgraded by The Original Vendor before Indian Armed Forces - Balakot Military Strikes !!!


D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


Can Air to Air Missile be neutralised in Higher Altitude with Aircraft Bullet ? Anta Zindabad !!!


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.


Come on Man, Pakistan Air Force is working with Chinese Engineers. Chinese Air Force got that Technology too !!! Pakistan Military doesn't keep Military Agreements.

Indian Armed Forces - Central Command Headquarters - Hum Dushman ko Jaante Hai !!!
Hindustani78 - Marhaba Ya Shiekh !!!


The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010.


Now Pakistan Media is relaying that Military Agreements have been signed for Transfering of Fifth Generation Aircraft Technology !!!

Chagai Hills Name explains Chagatai Warriors !!!

Shanism Atomic Bomb !!!



It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


US Military Commander notification issued that Air to Air Missile used by Pakistan Air Force might have came from Polish Military or German Military !!!


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.


International Security - Air Force Command - Air Fleets are using almost the same equipment !!!
India should have imposed sanctions on Obama and Bush US regime officials for supplying such advanced missiles to Pakistan like this AMSRAAM.

Now certain so called Leaders can understand where Humanity is at stake !!!

Global Treaty is for the benefit of Humankind !!! But Why Superior Ones should be allowed to join in Hindu Tehzebun ???
 
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27th February fact a mig21 shot down by f16 ...no denying proof is there.

That's not a fact, that's a claim from India. I have attached the definition of 'Fact' from Dictionary.com. Please look at it:


If the Indians had proof of shooting down the F16, they would be parading it all over the media. But they don't, the only proof the Indians showed was a doctored image of their Radars. Not to mention, all the A2A missiles of Abhi were recovered intact so that blows up the entire argument of the F16 being shot down.

mi17 shot down by indian own sam india.media confirmed yourselves.

The question you should be asking yourself is, why was an MI-17 launched for a SAR mission when the sky was hot? What kind of incompetent Officer would put a chopper in the air when the sky was hot with PAF's fast movers armed with BVRAAM's.

however.no records of mki any where globally outside of pak claims . no official kill anywhere in the world.
no wreck no vedio no evidence
like wise indian claims of f16 kill.are also denied on same basis ie no evidence

Then why are you saying that F16 was shot down as a fact. You have just destroyed your own argument. How old are you?

8 f16 fired 4 amraams at just 2 mki on 27th
they all missed .... how and why

If PAF fired 4 AMRAAM's, then why did the IAF recover only 1?

was it poor tactics ie not waiting for bleepers on screen
was excellent tactics from.2 mki pilots
or are the c5 amraams poor bvr

Excellent tactics from the MKI pilots to run away from a fight, having no firing solution? Okay

I was told the SU30MKI was second to the F22, the Raptor of Asia. How did it go from the Raptor of Asia to the Dog of Asia?

4 shots no kills is poor return

Only proof of 1 AMRAAM fired but then again, better to take a shot instead of defending yourself? Right :)

India openly criticised Russian older bvr after 27th and ordered latest versions of r77 and r27 and now is moving to.Astra,

and ordered new radio kits from.israel.
so lessons are learned.


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it's not counted correct

then why did you say there is proof that a f16 was downed? even indian analysts reject your claims. we even offered to let outsiders come in and count all the f16s and see if any are missing. Abhinandan's wreckage shows he never fired of his missiles because they are still attached and part of the wreckage. only way he could have done it without missiles if he was superman and fired lasers from his eyes.
 
Its a war machine of the PAF and will be used in anyway Pakistan chooses do to so that seems fit to protect Pakistan simply the ones in a wet bollwood dream need to wake up lolz.
 
Clearly another "Indian" flying the flags of the country he wished he belonged to. Why PDF allows such obvious false flaggers is a curiosity in itself


Why shoot the messenger? The typical Indian "randi rona" was written by an Indian, published in Indian newspaper.

You should be banging your head against the wall close to you, reading such garbage which only make your country an absolute sissy.
 
According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.

And that is official admittance of IAF's SOP, against the PAF, being that of running away. It all makes sense now.

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Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India.

But was it a pinky promise? Because if it wasn't then the IAF has itself to blame for believing in it.

The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India.

Clearly the A2A missiles were sold to Pakistan only to be used against the TTP's aircraft.
 
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Pak went back on its F-16 promise to US. How India fixed the gaps with Rafale

By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON FEB 27, 2021 06:52 AM IST

When the French President’s diplomatic advisor Emmanuel Bonne landed in India for a strategic dialogue on January 7, one of the key asks from the Indian Air Force was that the Rafale fighter’s technology, especially its missile capability, be kept away from Pakistan.

India conveyed to Bonne that even though Dassault Aviation, manufacturer of Rafale fighter, is selling the omni-role platform Rafale to Qatar, Paris should ensure that no Pakistani-origin person is given access to the plane by Doha.
Paris hasn’t just assured India that Rafale technology, specially that related to the Meteor air-to-air missile will be kept out of reach of Pakistan, but also that it will no longer upgrade the Mirage 3/5 fighters. India sought these iron clad guarantees after it burnt its fingers during Pakistani Air Force retaliation on February 27, 2019, a day after the Balakot strike.
On that day, Pakistan reneged on its promise to the Americans that it would only use F-16 aircraft in the war against terror and not against India. It was an 75-km range air-to-air AIM-120-C-5 missile, fired from a Pakistani F-16, that brought down Wing Commander Abhinandan’s Mig-21 Bison interceptor
on the Line of Control in the Rajouri-Mendhar sector.


According to former Air Force Chiefs and Air Marshals, had the Indian Air Force not practised with the premise that Pakistan would use F-16 and beyond visual range missiles against India, more Indian fighters would have been knocked down on that day. “We were very clear that Pakistan would use the F-16 against us and hence we practised to keep IAF fighters beyond what is called dynamic attack zone 1 and 2 or D-Max 1 and 2 of the AIM-120C air to air missile,” said a top IAF official who asked not to be named.
D-Max-1 refers to a range where a missile can “secure a kill” provided the opponent doesn’t engage in manoeuvring, and D-Max-2, a no escape zone from the incoming missile even after “all manoeuvring”, added this officer.


The Pentagon had previously assured India that Islamabad would not use the F-16 or the missiles against India. It conveyed the message to India after New Delhi requested Washington to put a software lock on the missile so that it cannot be used against India.
The Indian concern over the long range missile was raised by Air Marshal AK Gogoi as Director General (Air Operations) with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen in Washington in September 2010. It was raised again during the visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in August 2016 with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter in no uncertain terms. But all this came to no avail two years ago when Pakistan used the missile against Wing Commander Abhinandan's MiG-21 on Feb 27, 2019.


Analysts say that the F-16 incident may have well forced the Indian Air Force to acquire the Meteor missile for Rafale. The no escape zone of this missile is way beyond the missiles carried by US or Chinese aircraft flown by the Pakistani air force.

Do you Indians ever stop whining and crying?
 

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