Pak Turk Schools employees in UN protection after visa extensions turned down

[Zulkarneyn]

Its not logical for any Pakistani to be happy over such mentality..if there is anything the Turks, Persian and Arabs came to Indian subcontinent was for enforcing slavery...and making more and more slaves of all kind...

What an idiotic statement, you dont have the slightest clue about the toxic Gulen network whose exact purpose is secterianism which the Pak Turk schools are a part of

 

[Salman Arif]

Reis Erdo'an is the standard bearer of the traditions and mindsets which built Turkic empires in the Byzantines or Hindistan. It appears that you aren't very happy with those developments...

Unfortunately many of us are ideologically weak and do not own Islamic History and do not honor the sacrifices of Muslims started from the time of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), continued by arabs, turks, pashtuns and many other up till today so we cannot waste time on them.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

If Turkey has complained about the folks in question , then obviously we have to act as they may lack necessary visa/passport

If Turkey reovokes some of it's citizen's visa , the only logical act is to send the citizens safely back so they can get a new visa from Turkey or their embassy

Most people in Pakistan are not aware of the faction this group may represent

 

[Indus Pakistan]

exact purpose

If Turkey wants this then Pakistan has to do that - this issue relates to internal Turkish matter and is a hot potato. However I have to admit this is difficult thing to do. I would hate having to tell these people - many are women.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

If Turkey wants this then Pakistan has to do that - this issue relates to internal Turkish matter and is a hot potato. However I have to admit this is difficult thing to do. I would hate having to tell these people - many are women.

Turkish politicians stated many times that they're ready to replace all leaving Turkish staff members and teachers in the PakTurk schools if requested by the Pak gov. @somebozo is talking nonsense here. The exact opposite of what he's saying is happening in these schools right now. Pakistan gains more control in these institutions because at the request of Turkey, Islamabad already started to replace key Turkish staff members with Pakistani citizens, who have to obey to Pakistani laws.

Pak-Turk Schools’ principals replaced by Pakistani staff
http://www.newspakistan.tv/pak-turk-schools-principals-replaced-pakistani-staff/

What's the big deal here?

If Turkey has complained about the folks in question , then obviously we have to act as they may lack necessary visa/passport

Just think about this: Do you really believe that the government of the United States of America would tolerate an Islamist preacher on American soil? Gülen is living in the US. He and his network are simply a foreign policy tool of the US to influence Turkey. Even Kemalists and nationalists - not only Erdogan and the AKP - are accusing the Gülen movement of working together with the American gov. These three political main fractions never in the recent history of the Turkish Republic shared a common opinion.

Imagine Sharif, Imran and Taliban are saying the same thing.

 

[Safriz]

They should be given permanent residence of Pakistan as they are Turks.
Erdogan's request was to shut down the shools which has been met. There is nopoint in putting those teachers in danger bt deporting them to Turkey if they dont want to go there.
Keep them in Pakistan without allowing them to run those particular schools and find employment elsewhere.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

What's the big deal here?

While @somebozo went off on some trip, of which less said the better but I think you are missing something here which perhaps is reason why you can't understand the fuss over this.

From the Pakistani perspective those teachers are Turks. To them they don't look at them as Gulenists as most don't even know Turkish internal politics. So in a sense these teachers have made a impact in their respective schools as 'Turks'. They have been hard working and built up very good relationships with students and locals. So now to be told they are bad causes disbelief with those who know them. Don't forget it's not like they have horns on their heads. In a sense this shows how pro Turkey Pakistani are. Even when they are told they are no good they just can't come to terms with it.

And don't forget it's not like these people shot, beat up, or look like ogres. They on the face of it appear as gentle, caring, hardworking teachers many of whom are females. Hope this explains the hullabaloo.

But look at the end of day Pakistan is doing what Turkey wants.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

While @somebozo went off on some trip, of which less said the better but I think you are missing something here which perhaps is reason why you can't understand the fuss over this.

From the Pakistani perspective those teachers are Turks. To them they don't look at them as Gulenists as most don't even know Turkish internal politics. So in a sense these teachers have made a impact in their respective schools as 'Turks'. They have been hard working and built up very good relationships with students and locals. So now to be told they are bad causes disbelief with those who know them. Don't forget it's not like they have horns on their heads. In a sense this shows how pro Turkey Pakistani are. Even when they are told they are no good they just can't come to terms with it.

And don't forget it's not like these people shot, beat up, or look like ogres. They on the face of it appear as gentle, caring, hardworking teachers many of whom are females. Hope this explains the hullabaloo.

But look at the end of day Pakistan is doing what Turkey wants.

Pakistan is a sovereign nation and country. The Pakistani gov. members should only do what the Pakistani citizens are demanding from them. Their country, their rules. We are neither Arabs nor Iranians. We never will interfere in Pakistan's domestic and foreign policies. Heck, we never even said a single critical word about the special Pak-China friendship even though everybody on this planet knows our opinion about China.

I'm just saying, by not sending them back to Turkey, you're not only rejecting the pro-Erdogan groups in our society. There is a broad consensus in Turkey among secularists, nationalists and conservatives that these groups need to be removed from every institution, school and agency, which is affiliated with the Turkish state. That's common sense in Turkey. From this perspective, sending them not back is harming Pakistan's interests.

At the end of the day, this is only Pakistan's decision. We can communicate our wishes but the Pakistani gov. has to decide.
There is a saying in Turkish:
“Bir fincan kahvenin kırk yıl hatırı vardır"
Engl.: A cup of coffee will be remembered for forty years.

Turks are resentful. They won't forget. And if they like you and you disappoint them, they will be even more resentful and angry because they feel betrayed. Our relationship with Pakistan is not friendly, it is dostani. This term marks a difference in the Turkish language. It's beyond a usual friendship. I'm just afraid that this hole case could cause a permanent damage to this relation.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I'm just afraid that this hole case could cause a permanent damage to this relation.

No it won't. What matters is what the state does, Not some media making lot of fuss or some students who don't understand the big picture and have been bought out by their teachers demonstrating.

And the Pakistani state acted fast. And it acted according to what Turkey asked. And it will do what Turkey wants. I think that is definition of 'Dosti'?

Don't you think so?

* I did some reading on these schools. Apparently when they first started in 1994 it was under guise of charity schools for the poor. However apparently today most are charging $300 per month and cater for mostly upper middle class children. The very group that tomorrow will end up in positions of power in society.

I am surprised with the speed at which they were spreading. Going acroos the entire country with dozens of new schools planned. Amazing !

 

[Hollow Field]

If they are truly innocent, why are they scared of going back to Turkey?

As much as the western media paints it that way, Turkey is a very progressive nation and generally very good on the Human rights front.

In any case, much better than the USA, which forcefully extradites innocents from their countries and tortures them (Aafia Siddique anyone?)

Those Turkish teachers and there families have nothing to worry about if they go back to Turkey.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

No it won't. What matters is what the state does, Not some media making lot of fuss or some students who don't understand the big picture and have been bought out by their teachers demonstrating.

And the Pakistani state acted fast. And it acted according to what Turkey asked. And it will do what Turkey wants. I think that is definition of 'Dosti'?

Don't you think so?

* I did some reading on these schools. Apparently when they first started in 1994 it was under guise of charity schools for the poor. However apparently today most are charging $300 per month and cater for mostly upper middle class children. The very group that tomorrow will end up in positions of power in society.

I am surprised with the speed at which they were spreading. Going acroos the entire country with dozens of new schools planned. Amazing !

You have hit the bull's eye!!! Now, you have understood their hidden agenda!! I am pretty sure the Turkish intelligence folks have shared some of the "horror stories" with their counterparts with evidence!!! Some of them go like this - they capture the Mehrem of the influential folks from politics/bureaucracy(civil+mil) /business/judiciary/academia/media/entertainment [all bases are covered] etc. into camera and blackmail them to change the policies as per their instructions which originate in Pennsylvania...

 

[HAIDER]

What an idiotic statement, you dont have the slightest clue about the toxic Gulen network whose exact purpose is secterianism which the Pak Turk schools are a part of

Really....oo well....Do you think one of reason Erdogan distance himself from Arab spring coalition ?

 

[Djinn]

If Turkey asks, Pakistan should deport them promptly. Our relations with Turkey are more important than few of these individuals. I remember how Pakistani's cheered when a professor in Pakistan got apprehended by the intelligence agencies for his his alleged links with some banned organization.......Which is understandable as we are facing wide spread terrorism and we aren't going to leave any loose ends, but the same applies to Turkey. The Turkish government knows more about these people than us Pakistani's, so it's better if we fully cooperate with the Turkish government on this affair.

 

[CHI RULES]

Erdogan wants to use the network of Pak-Turk schools as arbic style madrasas to create next generation of islamo-facist..we are a true dumping ground be is Salafi terrorism, Iranian sectarianism or Turkish Khilafat...

Dear Turkish Khilafat was not Wahabi style, they were quite moderate and their is no crime or shame in teaching Muslim pupil the religion along with other subjects. If we don't have any objection on convents established in Pakistan then we should be ashamed to criticize Islamic education models. Either a human being is Muslim or non Muslim. There is nothing which is called as liberals as for me both liberals and extremist takfeeris are negating fundamentals of Islam so both are in category of non Muslims.
The people who are feeling ashamed have many American style schools where their children will not get religious education.

The only thing should be discussed here is well being of Turkish teachers as if they were involved in Goulam plan or not. Even if they were not involved they should be sent to any other country to resettle as well being of a country is more important than individuals.

We have many problems of our own so instead of criticizing Turkish govt we should resolve our own problems. I don't know why some people have problem with religion despite having Muslim names. They should join any other religion or declare themselves as atheists.

Turkish are willing to adopt Islamic model as they have seen bitter realities of Western models. Please do not forget that many people died during coup by defending the Govt and practicing Muslims in hundreds faced atrocities during so called past Turkish liberal Govts.

 

[BATMAN]

I think you are not following the news. These Turks families don't want to go back to Turkey, afraid of persecution from govt. Hope now you understand the concern.

Why not you come clean... which govt. are you accusing here?