Pak survived after 26/11 due to nukes: Expert

[Munir]

@munir...
they could have been more professional...but when an entire pakistani police academy was taken hiostage by 20 terrorists...that was laughable.
i mean nobody attacks a Police academy!!!
burning a police post or depot is something commonplace...but you really have to have a very low respect quotient for the police to attack an academy.

Atleast they did not hide for a few days for just a few attackers... And the police did accept the faith of being attacked and blown up but after that it was a lot faster then whatever India produced.

Let us compare... 20 terrorist an a few hours or 10 for a few days...

 

[paritosh]

well....why not compare an open police academy housing police trainees..and a hotel with absolutely no weapons and closed corridors...with fat rich people who'd have easily died of cardiac arrest walking down the staircase..

 

[Enigma SIG]

@munir...
they could have been more professional...but when an entire pakistani police academy was taken hiostage by 20 terrorists...that was laughable.
i mean nobody attacks a Police academy!!!
burning a police post or depot is something commonplace...but you really have to have a very low respect quotient for the police to attack an academy.

with all due respect to the dead; it was even more laughable when 12 terrorists took mumbai hostage with your NSG's uncapable to defeat them for more than 2 days; we had police who were undergoing training without weapons and that too the siege ended quickly...

 

[paritosh]

a police that trains without weapons...lets not come to weird conclusions just for the sake of the argument.
the Nsg had their hands full....protecting the international and indian residents was their prime criteria...nobody questioned their efficiency...an open training ground is easier to raid.fighting in a hotel alley with no eyes and ears is mch more difficult...i have been to the taj...you haven't.

 

[IceCold]

Patriotic mumbo-jumbo. No doubt Pakistani Armed are among the most professional, but do they stand a conventioal might against India? Hardly. The statistics speak for themselves. If only you would come out of the patriotic nut. It were nukes that you seeked since the times of Zia-ul-Haq, which according to Paksitan military was the only answer to India's conventional might.

Let us not forget the huge propaganda started in you r media of a potential conflict. And fanatics like Zaid Hamid, taking the all the TRP's since they appealed to 160 million in Pakistan even on the first day of the Mumbai attacks. Noone of our minister threatened war. But you had Gilani, Zardari, Qureshi, Musharraf, all saying on day one that we will use 'all weapons at our disposal". Reiterated later by your army chief. So in all it is true Pakistan relies heavily on its nukes to defend itself. No point denying it.

As far as incursion is concered that was again a cooked up news.
What makes you think India will send to loaded Sukhoi's in full light, with no defenders, and they will return back on seeing PAF jets? If India wanted to carry out strikes it would have. This sort juvenile piece of crap is best spoken and believed where it originated, that is in Pakistan.
Just like the one where "Mukherjee called Zardari from the defence ministry(mark it..lol) and threatened war". That is something that cracks me up even today.

Now listen up kid! before you go on ridiculing someone and in return get a slap right on the face, try comparing my remarks with what your army thinks about PA and you will realize there isn't any difference in what i said and what your army thinks about Pakistan army and its capability. And as for the so called Indian might, Better check out the sorry state your mighty army is which clearly told the Indian sarkar it is in no position to wage war against Pakistan and this has been presented in the Indian media on numerous occasions. So quit chest thumping and stop making a fool out of your self.

On a side note the issue about whether the incursion did take place or not has been debated to death, no need to bring it up again here.

 

[Mujahid91]

after 26/11 when intruders came to Pakistan thinking of misadventure i would say India survived because of its Nukes because the role India is playing in Malakand,Indian consulates in Afganistan and Balouchistan insugency trust me any misadventure wont be pretty for Indians Pakistan armed forces are fully capable of defending thier motherland.India always had tried to degrade Pakistan on numerous of occesions i laffed so hard when Deepak Kapoor said about Pak Nukes that should be CAP their CAOS and pilots needs to not get DRUNK rather defend thier motherland recently this year 5 Indian Fighter Jets have crashed which inculde Mig21 and first "SU-30MKI" GOD like MKI which Indian fanboys believe.

 

[Rajkumar]

weather pak would have survived it or not, i dont know but there was 80% probability India would have attacked pak if nukes were not there.
i guess results would not be in favor of Pakistan.

 

[Enigma SIG]

a police that trains without weapons...lets not come to weird conclusions just for the sake of the argument.
the Nsg had their hands full....protecting the international and indian residents was their prime criteria...nobody questioned their efficiency...an open training ground is easier to raid.fighting in a hotel alley with no eyes and ears is mch more difficult...i have been to the taj...you haven't.

1- it was a morning parade mr know-it-all; the to-be policemen were trainees; they weren't inducted; therefore no weapons were with them...

2- you've been to the taj; i guess you win the arguement

 

[paritosh]

@imraan2006g
well...
even if it was a morning parade...they'd have weapons in the complex...of which they'd be aware of...
even if theyu dint have any weapons...they were far better at handling the situation than the guests and foreign dignitaries staying in the taj.
discussing this issue leaves a bad taste in my mouth...the pakistani elite forces are one of the best...and i dont want to take anything away from them.
i just argued when munir drew comparisions to the taj episode...
do you thnk that the taj episode showed the inefficiency of the indian police/the NSG?

 

[SQ8]

Unless provoked to a point of no return or an ir -redeemable situation, an attack upon Pk would be very very ill advised.

Coz, in so doing all the factions within Pk would unite !! India would achieve more by not striking than by striking.. & at a lesser cost.

Things are going fine.. & if it is thought that the nukes are the reason, No problem. 1st, 2nd, 3rd .. any strike capability is ok..

Smartest thing said in this thread all along, It is THE biggest mistake India could make.. and probably might.
now the following may sound fanboyish, but nothing is closer to the truth.
There is one very obvious parameter to the Pakistani psyche. We cant stand each others guts sometimes, and fight it out like cats and dogs, But its still fighting inside the house, between brothers. You try interfering or meddling with this boiling pot, all you are going to get is burned. Because be it Balochi,Punjabi, Pathan,Sindhi or otherwise. You can watch us fight each other to the death but try stepping into our house and we'll lynch you apart. It was seen in 65, and even in 71 to an extent in the western wing. It was evident in the 2005 earthquake..it is still evident now. The only thing that keeps this spirit from cropping up is the efforts of our enemies, Internal and external. using subjugation, brainwashing, subliminal indoctrination and sheer imposition of culture. A technique which is working beautifully now. So why go ahead and ruin a good thing for yourselves and release something you cannot fathom.

 

[Enigma SIG]

@paritosh

it was a training school; not a firing range for police; hence the unavailability of weapons.

coming back to topic; well Pakistan was saved because of the nukes; India sure knows we are trigger happy people ; we havent put up the nukes just for display; they can be used in a conflict; but that will mean MAD (mutually assured destruction) with no one claiming victory; therefore India calmed down militarily but kept up politicial pressure on GoP

 

[Contrarian]

I think it was India with mumbojumbo talk... They were already knocking at Pakistani doors without able to finish a few attackers. It was laughable how they handled it so the professionality seems to be something to be discussed. Then the blaiming and going for kill in Pakistan. Even pre-emptive attacks... The hostility was topping when they launched several planes to show how big they are and all Pakistan did was stopping them and telling the world that the next time they would not be able to return... Seems to be a pretty nice way to handle it compared to the patheric childish display of the Indians... And it wasn't the only time that Indians had to retreat... They were massing their army to the border. And did they win? Nopes. Now they would probably go for the same big mouth after getting AWACS. I bet they cannot handle any big item without acting like a cheap bollywood movie... And always with importing weapons cause who can win a war with Indian weapons? Sri Lanka (which was terrorized by Indian Tamils) did switch to reliable China and Pakistani weapons. Only then it finished the tamil terrorists which already terrorized India by killing Rajeev Ghandi... And Sikhs killed his mother. Sounds like a banana republic to me...

Reading Indian reaction is making me a bit worried that their long term memory is a bit fragile. Nationalism is more a weak way to try to blaim others. If it wasn't ISrael who helped them with LGB's they would still hide for bullets. Without using Pakistani airforce the Pakistani handled 5 times bigger enemy. Whether they like it or not. Pakistan is there and will move forward. Unfortunaltey it has stupid politicians otherwise it would be doing it better... And it is something to be discussed whether India is doing better. It is just walking on thin IT sector. It has huge internal market and does not export something really impressiv eif compared to other nations of its size... No wonder they want to dominate smaller nations like Sri Lanka or Bangla desh...

We are nice cause we allow Indians to post and even behave like rats.

What amazes me most is that either you believe in what you post or you that you deliberately post bull$hit. Because most of what you post has no bearing on reality. I can take apart your post line by line, but i suspect it would be a waste of my time.

 

[blain2]

@munir...
they could have been more professional...but when an entire pakistani police academy was taken hiostage by 20 terrorists...that was laughable.
i mean nobody attacks a Police academy!!!
burning a police post or depot is something commonplace...but you really have to have a very low respect quotient for the police to attack an academy.

Laughable? They have gone into your Army's brigade HQs in IOK on multiple occasions and holed themselves up against your Army SF and other CT units and inflicted losses upon you. I do not think that you have anything to laugh about. India's CT record has been dismal.

When they attacked, aside from a sentry on the outside, all of the raw recruits were on the parade ground without weapons (even if they had them, those would have been sans ammunition). So while one can blame the perimeter protection, the recruits are not suppose to stand guard with their weapons..its an academy and not a firing range as someone has rightly said.

 

[blain2]

a police that trains without weapons...lets not come to weird conclusions just for the sake of the argument.
the Nsg had their hands full....protecting the international and indian residents was their prime criteria...nobody questioned their efficiency...an open training ground is easier to raid.fighting in a hotel alley with no eyes and ears is mch more difficult...i have been to the taj...you haven't.

Do you understand what a PT period is? Your logic is faulty. Being in the police does not mean that everyone has loaded weapons all of the time. Most of the time is spent in classrooms and on the parade ground without weapons. Weapons training is probably 10% if the total time spent there.

 

[Communist]

'Pak's N-bomb prevented Indian retaliation after 26/11'

Pakistan's possession of nuclear weapons prevented India from attacking that country after the terror strikes in Mumbai and the attack on Parliament, former army chief Gen Shankar Roychowdhury has said.

"Do nuclear weapons deter? Of course, they do. Pakistan's nuclear weapons deterred India from attacking that country after the Mumbai strikes," he told a seminar in Kolkata on 'Nuclear Risk Reduction and Conflict Resolve.'

It was due to Pakistan's possession of nuclear weapons that India stopped short of a military retaliation following the attack on Parliament in 2001, Roychowdhury said.

Stressing the need for nuclear disarmament, he said in 1988 the then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi had proposed a 20-year plan for it.

Commissioner in the Weapons of Mass Destruction Commission (WMDC) Lt Gen V R Raghavan said Pakistan's nuclear weapons were in safe hands.

"By all indications, Pakistan's nuclear weapons, are in safe hands and under tight control. But nobody can say what will happen if the system breaks down. There is concern in the West about whether the system in Pakistan can be sustained only through aid," Raghavan said on Saturday. Describing disarmament and deterrent as "two sides of the same coin called the nuclear weapon," Raghavan said the demand for disarmament had come down over the last 10 years with the US and Russia not targeting each other.

"But the demand, however, has been revived of late amid fears that the nuclear weapons may fall in wrong hands with non-state actors gaining territory in a number of countries," he said.

Pointing out that India was the strongest in its demand for nuclear disarmament, he said it had proposed a seven-point plan, including no-first-use commitment and a commitment for total elimination of stockpile, for disarmament.

Professor of International Politics at the Jawaharlal Nehru University Rajesh Rajagopalan said during the Kargil conflict, Pakistan had presumed that its possession of the nuclear bomb would prevent India from taking any action. "But the Pakistanis were wrong."

Rajagopal said the most capable terrorist organisations were not looking for the nuclear bomb, as its possession would antagonise powerful groups against them.

"So, you will notice that groups like the LTTE, Hamas or Hezbullah are not looking for nuclear weapons."

GOC-in-C of the Army's Eastern Command, Lt Gen V K Singh, said efforts must be made to reduce risk in a manner so that conflict became manageable.